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InvisibleCherryBomM
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    #23130037 - 04/18/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've heard a lot of really ignorant things been said lately about suicide.  No wonder people feel lost and alone in this world of such harsh judgement and self-righteousness.  This world we live in can be a hurtful, cruel and ugly place.

Isn't it disgusting that the people who need the most love are the ones who are pushed out further into the void, into the darkness?  The people who feel the most alone and desperate for some kind of validation, some re-assurance that their life is worth something to someone, are the ones people give up on and cut off.

But it's a double edged sword.  Healthy people can't go into the darkness with someone who's suicidal.  Healthy people can't get into that dark room.  We can hold out our hand and help them come out into the light, but we can't climb into their darkness.  We can't go there.  If they won't come out, we can only sit on the other side of that door for so long.  We have to get up and move on, move forward.  We can't just sit there waiting, waiting, waiting, life goes on ever moving, ever changing.

How do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped?  How do you help someone who just wants to pull you into their dark room?  You have to cut them off at some point.  And what if they die in that room?  It doesn't make them selfish.  Just lonely.  Sad.  Hopeless.  It doesn't even make them less loveable.  Just harder to understand.  Come out of the darkness!  Take my hand!  No?  Ok....maybe next time.  I'll be back in a few months, maybe a year.  We can try again.  I just have to go live my life for a little while.  You don't have to stay here, maybe when I come back the light will be on.

You didn't have to die.


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Re: Suicide [Re: CherryBom]
    #23131009 - 04/18/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Nicely said Cherry. :love: It is so hard to convince someone that they really do matter...and this world is a better place with them in it.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23131666 - 04/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

yeah its not something to relate to being dark all the time sort of voluntarily ? or the other side where you just don't understand and push the envelope further.

That I can anyways. But one thing is questioning how we're raised and its like being direct up front and real is not a good thing. Just don't let the mental get you and so you can focus on your health.


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Re: Suicide [Re: CherryBom] * 1
    #23132664 - 04/18/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I think a lot of people have trouble accepting the principle that suicide can be a good idea for a person that still has a decent chance at pulling something good out of their life. People look at suicide as a sort of cop out, and to some extent I strongly agree with that idea. I do think it's selfish and short-sighted to attack someone on a personal level for wanting to commit suicide, but I also feel it's a moral imperative to attack the idea that suicide is an acceptable option for somebody who could otherwise live through the bullshit that's making them suffer so profoundly. Any suicide that is not true euthanasia is a cop out in the sense that it's taking away a life before a person has the chance to better understand the cause of their suffering and eventually overcome it. We all owe it to ourselves, and to our world, to fight that kind of deep suffering wherever we find it, especially when it's happening right where we can't ignore it. Suicide is the ultimate surrender to unnecessary suffering, and IMO it's the suffering itself that deserves death rather than the person who is experiencing that suffering. I think it's an injustice to further empower that suffering by accepting that it is as certain and inescapable as death itself. Fuck you, Suffering, for tricking my friends and cohabitants in this world with your malevolently specious allure of a peaceful release in a willing death. There is no such release.

I understand that we all fuck up in the grand scheme of things, and I would never hold an act of suicide against a person once I've overcome my own grief and bitterness about their lame choice. In an attempt to explain the rationale of suicide to myself, I've personally said that suicide is an act of cowardice, but with that being said I'm also sorry when I can't step in and help somebody find the courage deal with that cowardice like I could with a scared child. Adults are more stubborn with their emotions than children are, and sometimes a person needs to take a really crazy risk just to stay sane. It's hard to convince somebody to take a risk like that, and sometimes I don't even have a clue as to how to get somebody to even consider it as an option, but I always try to when I can because the only alternatives don't do anybody any good in the short run or the long run. Suicide just sucks.

EDIT: I should add that I've had friends commit suicide the fast way and the slow way, and it's not always clear that they're doing it. And even when it is clear that it's happening, as a friend you often feel just as helpless as they do. It's really hard to help people who don't want help and don't ask for it. This isn't one of those cases were positive thinking actually does much good, and it isn't one of those cases where being blunt and honest does much better.


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    #23134753 - 04/19/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Suicide [Re: TheWiseElf]
    #23134996 - 04/19/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

:justno: what's wrong wise elf?  Why you want to die?  Things will change, that is a gaurentee.


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    #23135193 - 04/19/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Suicide [Re: TheWiseElf]
    #23135628 - 04/19/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The problem is, people look to validation to live from other people, when it should be the opposite. Happiness comes from within.
Us humans are a social creature by nature but, it is not the highest priority.

Stop being so fucking concerned about how other people look, feel and treat you.


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Re: Suicide [Re: daz01]
    #23140185 - 04/21/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Suicide sucks


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Re: Suicide [Re: CherryBom]
    #23151964 - 04/24/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Coming from someone that has frequent thoughts of it, it's not that I don't want to be helped... it's more that I don't know how to be helped or how to help myself. It's also not that I want to 'pull others into the darkness' either. It's hell, I wouldn't want this to be anyone's mental state.

>>Come out of the darkness!  Take my hand!  No?  Ok....maybe next time.  I'll be back in a few months, maybe a year.  We can try again.  I just have to go live my life for a little while.  You don't have to stay here, maybe when I come back the light will be on.

Something seems off here, but I'm not sure what to say. It's not as easy as just 'stepping out into the light', if it was, I and others wouldn't be suffering this way. You can't just simplify all suicidal thinking like that, everyone has their own set of problems and reasoning, some more deeply ingrained problems that run to the way they function on a day to day basis.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23152287 - 04/25/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I know.  I was just projecting how helpless it feels when you can't help someone and are forced to leave them to their own devices.

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