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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: TheWiseElf]
    #23144231 - 04/22/16 12:39 PM (8 years, 3 hours ago)

flashbacks are real, i've had one and ive ready many other reports (as you can see in this thread) of people having them.

however, that doesnt mean i agree with using them as a scare tactic to get people afraid of psychedelics. in my all years of ive tripping ive only had one flashback which lasted about 5 seconds and wasn't even necessarily a negative thing (although it was scary at the time cuz i was like "wow flashbacks are real".


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23144286 - 04/22/16 01:05 PM (8 years, 3 hours ago)

What actually happens then, do you feel drugged and see hallucinations as you would under the influence, or is it in your head like a memory of a past trip you had? Ive never experienced this.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #23144332 - 04/22/16 01:25 PM (8 years, 2 hours ago)

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flashbacks are real, i've had one and ive ready many other reports (as you can see in this thread) of people having them.

however, that doesnt mean i agree with using them as a scare tactic to get people afraid of psychedelics. in my all years of ive tripping ive only had one flashback which lasted about 5 seconds and wasn't even necessarily a negative thing (although it was scary at the time cuz i was like "wow flashbacks are real".




I see a thread full of people who have never experienced a flashback, and don't buy into the whole idea. Those who say they've had a flashback are skewing the meaning of the term as I understand it.

I've always understood a flash back to be like an actual trip, minus the drugs. The idea being that the stuff still floats around inside us, waiting to make us trip again unexpectedly.

If a wall or floor looks like it's breathing for 5 seconds, that's not a flashback. I can stare at something and make it breathe. If I concentrate I can see patterns in the darkness. It might be something, but it's not an acid flashback.

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Universe]
    #23144711 - 04/22/16 03:37 PM (8 years, 43 minutes ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Universe]
    #23144721 - 04/22/16 03:40 PM (8 years, 40 minutes ago)

Same here,I do not associate my experiences with a flashback. I think of it more like a fuller experience memory, my brain remembers the event and recalls the association's with it. This happens without psychedelics all the time, remembering a sick grandparent brings a few seconds where I can just about smell a hospital. I think because psychedelics are more involving when it comes to the gives senses, that the recollection of those moments is more involving as well.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23144733 - 04/22/16 03:44 PM (8 years, 36 minutes ago)

IMO, our vision isn't perfect and after engaging is psychedelics people tend to notice the flaws with their vision more and attribute them to their psychedelic use, but before trying psychs the flaws went unnoticed or were considered normal or you just didn't pay them any mind. Visual snow being a perfect example(even though it's technically a symptom of HPPD), I have it VERY slightly if I stare at a big blank surface like the sky or a big white wall, but for all I know it was always there and I only started noticing it after taking psychedelics and trying to notice it.

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23144746 - 04/22/16 03:47 PM (8 years, 33 minutes ago)

I wish flashbacks were real.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Universe]
    #23145163 - 04/22/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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flashbacks are real, i've had one and ive ready many other reports (as you can see in this thread) of people having them.

however, that doesnt mean i agree with using them as a scare tactic to get people afraid of psychedelics. in my all years of ive tripping ive only had one flashback which lasted about 5 seconds and wasn't even necessarily a negative thing (although it was scary at the time cuz i was like "wow flashbacks are real".




I see a thread full of people who have never experienced a flashback, and don't buy into the whole idea. Those who say they've had a flashback are skewing the meaning of the term as I understand it.

I've always understood a flash back to be like an actual trip, minus the drugs. The idea being that the stuff still floats around inside us, waiting to make us trip again unexpectedly.

If a wall or floor looks like it's breathing for 5 seconds, that's not a flashback. I can stare at something and make it breathe. If I concentrate I can see patterns in the darkness. It might be something, but it's not an acid flashback.




I am in the third person in this thread claiming to have experienced a flashback and its not even a very long thread. Now lets assume for the sake of argument it is a phenomenon that only effects one in every one hundred psychedelic users.  If that were the case, then consider we have far less 100 replies here you would EXPECT zero responders to have experienced a flashback.

In other words, the fact that you see a thread full of people who have never experienced a flashback only shows that its not something that happens frequently, or to everyone who uses psychedelics, not that it doesn't happen. I was skeptical of the idea before I experienced it myself. I thought it was just anti drug propaganda, and I still think its propaganda in the sense that flashbacks would rank among the least my worries when tripping or advising other people about tripping. However, that does not mean it has no bases in reality.

And I am not talking about mild HPPD symptoms like the wall breathing or seeing colors in the darkness. I get those things too but dont consider them flashbacks. I mean, suddenly flashing back to how you felt when you were deep in a trip. It can and does happen to people.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #23145202 - 04/22/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

The 2 other posts?

The bloke smoking bud and tasting DMT whilst having hallucinations doesn't count, mj is a hallucinogen and there's clearly something greater going on there.

I've been tripping for decades and met hundreds if not thousands of acid users and never met a (grown up) person who claims to have experienced anything more than a few seconds of random HPPD.

Not calling you a liar man, tens of millions of people have done acid and I'm sure that there could be some who have experienced it... fucking rare though. Unicorn poop type stuff.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Northerner]
    #23145232 - 04/22/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well I should note my flashback happened with weed also, but I still think it counts. Basically I smoked some weed, everything was normal, then suddenly I flashed back to the peak of a San Pedro trip, then I was back to just being high on weed.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23145251 - 04/22/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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What actually happens then, do you feel drugged and see hallucinations as you would under the influence, or is it in your head like a memory of a past trip you had? Ive never experienced this.




Its usually a vision based effect.
specifically when one is bored and zoning out or in a very very active very good conversation. Or anything that gives you a sense of euphoria.
And another one is a surroundings hallucination. Like something you hear triggers a delusional belief that one pretty much accepted as near religion, then you can feel that im lost we're all really god, this isn't really that real feeling. For me.

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23150434 - 04/24/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Universe said:
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Peyote Road said:
flashbacks are real, i've had one and ive ready many other reports (as you can see in this thread) of people having them.

however, that doesnt mean i agree with using them as a scare tactic to get people afraid of psychedelics. in my all years of ive tripping ive only had one flashback which lasted about 5 seconds and wasn't even necessarily a negative thing (although it was scary at the time cuz i was like "wow flashbacks are real".




I see a thread full of people who have never experienced a flashback, and don't buy into the whole idea. Those who say they've had a flashback are skewing the meaning of the term as I understand it.

I've always understood a flash back to be like an actual trip, minus the drugs. The idea being that the stuff still floats around inside us, waiting to make us trip again unexpectedly.

If a wall or floor looks like it's breathing for 5 seconds, that's not a flashback. I can stare at something and make it breathe. If I concentrate I can see patterns in the darkness. It might be something, but it's not an acid flashback.




I am in the third person in this thread claiming to have experienced a flashback and its not even a very long thread. Now lets assume for the sake of argument it is a phenomenon that only effects one in every one hundred psychedelic users.  If that were the case, then consider we have far less 100 replies here you would EXPECT zero responders to have experienced a flashback.

In other words, the fact that you see a thread full of people who have never experienced a flashback only shows that its not something that happens frequently, or to everyone who uses psychedelics, not that it doesn't happen. I was skeptical of the idea before I experienced it myself. I thought it was just anti drug propaganda, and I still think its propaganda in the sense that flashbacks would rank among the least my worries when tripping or advising other people about tripping. However, that does not mean it has no bases in reality.

And I am not talking about mild HPPD symptoms like the wall breathing or seeing colors in the darkness. I get those things too but dont consider them flashbacks. I mean, suddenly flashing back to how you felt when you were deep in a trip. It can and does happen to people.




:whathesaid:

Everyone seems to be talking about visual phenomena - that's either nothing at all or HPPD but it's not what is meant by "flashback." I experienced a flashback to my first LSD trip about 6 months or so afterwards. I was smoking pot and suddenly, I felt as if I were back in the middle of that trip. I felt very manic, and I also remembered a lot of thoughts I had during the trip but I must have blacked out. The thoughts made me very VERY uneasy, and suddenly I was having them again. It felt panicky and anxious and shitty. And similar to what the poster just above me called a "surroundings hallucination" where something in the environment triggers a memory of a grandiose delusion. I definitely think flashbacks are real - they are psychological, not physiological in nature.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: ikku]
    #23151383 - 04/24/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

right they are psycological, has nothing to do with the drug storing in your spine and then being released lol, its flashing back to a certain state of mind.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23151986 - 04/24/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Peyote Road is 100% correct.
Know when you are about to eat something spicy,  and you know its spicy your mouth salivates.. thats your brain with tripping too,

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: ikku] * 1
    #23152258 - 04/25/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I experienced a flashback to my first LSD trip about 6 months or so afterwards. I was smoking pot and suddenly, I felt as if I were back in the middle of that trip.




"I took a psychedelic drug, and felt like i was tripping"

:whippedcreamhead:

I do agree with what you said for the most part though.
'Flashbacks' in the sense that you're gonna randomly full on trip at some point because some L 'stayed in your system' is full on BS.
Having some kind of associated memory which brings back the feelings of a trip is fully possible, but why even label it 'flashbacks'. This shit happens all the time in normal life, like when you smell the freshly cut grass for the first time in spring and you get a rush of the feelings of last spring/summer, or when you hear a song you haven't heard for ages and that brings back the feelings of a long past time.

When you've opened up to tripping, weed is gonna have the effect of putting you back there, no doubt! It is a psychedelic.

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23152329 - 04/25/16 04:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Well what happens is LSD stays in your spinal fluid and if you crack your neck right you get a flashback




This is true. I learnt this when i was a kid. This is because of strychnine. This is very similar to how ecstasy puts holes in your brain. powerful stuff :themoreyouknow:

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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23152470 - 04/25/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I experienced a flashback to my first LSD trip about 6 months or so afterwards. I was smoking pot and suddenly, I felt as if I were back in the middle of that trip.




"I took a psychedelic drug, and felt like i was tripping"

:whippedcreamhead:

I do agree with what you said for the most part though.
'Flashbacks' in the sense that you're gonna randomly full on trip at some point because some L 'stayed in your system' is full on BS.
Having some kind of associated memory which brings back the feelings of a trip is fully possible, but why even label it 'flashbacks'. This shit happens all the time in normal life, like when you smell the freshly cut grass for the first time in spring and you get a rush of the feelings of last spring/summer, or when you hear a song you haven't heard for ages and that brings back the feelings of a long past time.

When you've opened up to tripping, weed is gonna have the effect of putting you back there, no doubt! It is a psychedelic.




Well I would disagree that weed is even remotely psychedelic, but then we're getting into an argument over the meaning of "psychedelic" which is off topic.

I think it's fine to label the experience a flashback, in the case of "sober flashbacks" like you mention with cutting the lawn or hearing a song. But a flashback to a particularly difficult psychedelic experience is a much bigger deal than cutting the lawn or hearing a song. I may have understated how -awful- the flashback experience was for me. I flashed back to a feeling that everything I ever knew was wrong, that I was about to die, that the world/universe was about to end, that reality itself was about to undo itself. I've never felt that way from just smoking pot, it was definitely deeply tied to the emotions and thoughts of a -specific- trip I had some months prior, not just some vague "psychedelicness" because my mind was open to tripping and I was high.

I wouldn't call it a flashback either unless I felt that word evoked exactly the feelings I want it to evoke when I share that experience.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: ikku]
    #23156054 - 04/26/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Weed is a psychedelic and a psychotic by definition, that's just how it is. Same as alcohol is a depressant. That's physical classes of drugs, not how they make you feel necessarily.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: Northerner]
    #23157705 - 04/26/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

"Psychedelic" is not a physical classification of drugs and actually isn't really a scientific term.

The closest scientific term to psychedelic would be "hallucinogen" which includes many non psychedelic drugs like say, PCP. If you want to talk about actual chemical classifications, most psychedelics are either phenethylamines (mescaline, 2c-x, DOx, etc), tryptamines (DMT, psilocin), or lysergamides (LSD, LSA, etc). THC does not fit into any of those categories.

Anyway as I stated, this discussion is off-topic and just a game of semantics. You know as well as I do that smoking marijuana (even in high quantities) does not produce an effect anywhere near the effect of a strong psychedelic drug.


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Re: lsd flashbacks vs shrooms flashbacks? [Re: ikku]
    #23159813 - 04/26/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I once toyed with the idea of suing Stanley Owsley because I wasn't getting the free flashbacks they promised.


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