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The official psilohuasca thread 3
#23137020 - 04/20/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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So post your opinions, trip reports, dosages, usages...etc...
Edited by oontribe (04/20/16 11:22 AM)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23137026 - 04/20/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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start us off boyo
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: preds]
#23137070 - 04/20/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I haven't done psilohuasca yet, but I am really hoping to in just a couple weeks. I was gonna do half an eighth with like 150-200 mg harmala alkaloids. Does this sound like a good starting dose?
Also, I must point out my body has an incredibly low natural tolerance. I have only ever taken an eighth once and I had a level 5 ego death, it was absolutely nuts, so I figured 1.75 grams plus the rue would be roughly equivalent to like 3 grams. I am hoping for a strong experience, I think I am finally ready to go to that crazy place and yet remain calm in the process.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#23137097 - 04/20/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe in the amazon some of Terence Mckenna's teem had ingested mushrooms along with the ayahuasca brew. I think it was Dennis, I believe it was one mushroom with his brew.
Been thinking about doing some orally active dmt brew lately so I'll probably have some spare syrian rue laying around this summer. I'll post when I get to it, might be while tho. Could be interesting to take mushrooms with the complete brew like Dennis Mckenna did.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#23137098 - 04/20/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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level 5 is pretty damn crazy, i dont know why you would want to go further but by all means do you brah I've only done shrooms so to be honest im not sure what you would experience on both of those. I am just curious to hear about experiences. I think I've read in a few places that really high trips of shrooms > ayahuasca
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#23137271 - 04/20/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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jjjcmzzt said: I haven't done psilohuasca yet, but I am really hoping to in just a couple weeks. I was gonna do half an eighth with like 150-200 mg harmala alkaloids. Does this sound like a good starting dose?
Also, I must point out my body has an incredibly low natural tolerance. I have only ever taken an eighth once and I had a level 5 ego death, it was absolutely nuts, so I figured 1.75 grams plus the rue would be roughly equivalent to like 3 grams. I am hoping for a strong experience, I think I am finally ready to go to that crazy place and yet remain calm in the process.
I'd say unless someone with knowledge in this area has some idea about dosage it might be wise to take half a gram of mushroom with an effective amount of maoi the first time to see how you react. You'll probably need more, but this will be a test dose.
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I have taken 3g syrian rue with 5g mushroom and that was intense...it was weird experience and different than normal mushroom experience specially with hearing voices...it lasted 12 hrs and slept while still tripping (but i wasnt tripping so hard before sleeping)
Didnt like the come up i was laying on my back and didnt move for the 1st hr or something...i think its the rue sedative effect.
Next time ill try 3g rue with 3.5g mushroom
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23137343 - 04/20/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats different between a syrian rue + mush trip vs mush alone?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: preds] 2
#23137381 - 04/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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My most notable experience out of the handful of times doing psilohuasca occurred in about 2011 with 7g of Peganum Harmala ground & parachuted with 7g of cubensis lemon-tekked...
With eyes closed, I perceived a council of several monolithic Godheadesque entity figures holding presence residing within a chamber of a voidabyssmal relicroom.
Intensity of antiquity.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: preds] 2
#23137407 - 04/20/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hard to explain but ill try: duration (12+ hrs), hearing voices that interact with your actions and thoughts (dont know if this is going to happen to everyone who takes it and it was weird), visuals were different than your usual mushroom trip (things would appear take shape then dissappear just hard to explain this one but not the usual bright colors and objects morphing kind of visuals), emotionally it was a roller coaster (usually this what happens with me when i take heavy dosages of mushrooms without mixing it with rue), as weird as this is going to sound i was able to pick a very subtle energies and signs from people around me...i can feel when they were lying - open - hostile - happy...etc... as if i had a kind of six sense (i consider it a mistake to take such a heavy dose with people but thats me as i do prefare to trip alone)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23137475 - 04/20/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried it with moclobemide and had a sinister episode with delusional thoughts and paranoia. The mushroom is just what nature intended - psychedelic perfection - why mess with it? If you want more intensity, just eat more.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: MushroomBilly] 3
#23137495 - 04/20/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Syrian rue or caapi are natural too they are half of the ayahuasca brew.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
#23137565 - 04/20/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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One of my favourite association for learning and i love mix Caapi and Peganum together.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
#23137598 - 04/20/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caapi and paganum without dmt plant? Couz i didnt like rue on its own.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
#23139395 - 04/21/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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No with DMT but with mushrooms too, good mix is Aya+Peg+Mush+Confusa:But really strong sometimes,too much even sometimes.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
#23140350 - 04/21/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Harmalas and Shrooms go together perfectly, very much recommended. Not sure what to say about it, of course you have the potentiation so adjust your dose of shrooms, if youre using rue 2-5 grams is a good ballpark depending on how strong you want the harmala influence. Make a tea and strain the solids or the nausea together with shrooms can get overwhelming, the taste doesnt help either, but the only way around that is making an extract. The trip is nice, you can definately feel the harmalas. For me it was more spiritual and grounded, maybe because the rue adds alot to the body load so its even harder to do anything distracting.
Anyone ever use Caapi for this? People always seem to use rue because its cheaper.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: thoraxx]
#23140393 - 04/21/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never used Caapi, but I'm pretty sure rue is easier to prep to. Would like to try it just so I see if it differs, I've looked into their alkaloid content and they differ a bit. I think that rue has a wider range of different harmalas.
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Somked syrian rue before after hearing terence mckenna saying that smoking rue seeds while tripping gives you "kinda cool tv type of visuals" or visuals that tou just watch and detached from em. Didnt notice anything different but smoking rue is pleasurable.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23143716 - 04/22/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to be close than Aya with Peg ,you need use roots of Peg, the difference between them are THH
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
#23144151 - 04/22/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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But I ve read somewhere that seeds got the highest alkaloids content.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23147009 - 04/23/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mushrooms have always been plenty strong enough without maoi for me so even though I have a bag full of caapi and a gram of harmalas and a sack of Syrian rue seeds, I just haven't been able to bring myself to use them in combo.
I have a friend how ever that uses his rue pretty often. His ability to remain calm and grounded while still taking a fairly strong dose has been slowly inspiring me to give it a shot some time this summer.
I like this thread and can't wait to add an experience to it.
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Mushrooms alone are totalyy different than imao+mush,when it's imao+mush ,mush are more like DMT,but more longer than DMT for me.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
#23194828 - 05/06/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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200 mg of harmala alkaloids down the hatch! They aren't super pure but they are relatively pure. Have a dark tan color too them, very uniform powder.
I am gonna be taking 1.75 grams of mushies with the maoi but here is how it's going down. I don't normally like super strong intense trips, so I am gonna take 1/2 of my dose, and then wait 30-45 minutes and take the other half. I am taking it in a sandwich because I need food in my life really bad right now. I am hoping by spacing the dose like that I can make the trip much more gradual for the come up and be able to trip pretty hard without getting overwhelmed by the come up.
I'll report back later! Wish me luck!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#23194850 - 05/06/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good vibes!
Has anyone taken rue then microdosed? Like maybe a .1- .15 of cubes
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Quote:
voidjester_entheo said: My most notable experience out of the handful of times doing psilohuasca occurred in about 2011 with 7g of Peganum Harmala ground & parachuted with 7g of cubensis lemon-tekked...
With eyes closed, I perceived a council of several monolithic Godheadesque entity figures holding presence residing within a chamber of a voidabyssmal relicroom.
Intensity of antiquity.

I saw seven pillars of blue flame talking in a buzzing sound, in a similar realm/room/area on 1200 mics lsd.
Planning on psilohuasca tomorrow night. I have 7 grams shrooms and about a half oz rue and half oz caapi.
My plan is to brew approx 3.5 grams of rue +caapi into a tea. Add lemon and maybe sugar for taste. There will be three teas brewed for three trippers. I'm wondering if 7 grams will be enough for three people? Keep in mind, myself and B eat 20+ grams penis envy shrooms when we trip. Should I try to get another 3.5 grams shrooms so we can each take 3.5 rue/caapi and 3.5 shrooms?
I'm also considering adding 5meo DMT to my trip. Not sure how much I will be adding if I do. The combination of harmalas + psilocybin + 5 meo DMT will be very intense. I'm thinking I would do <10 mg 5meo if I did take it. Still I wanna look into it a bit and plan this out. We will either dose around the same time or dose staggering 1 hour apart (E, then B, then myself last as I have the most experience and can monitor them, then E will be past his peak when I dose the shrooms and will be able to help me if needed)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23201209 - 05/08/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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personally i would go with the 3.5g mushrooms, but i havent tried psilohuasca with a low mushroom dosage.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23201316 - 05/08/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's what I was thinking, if B trips with us we'll need more, if he doesn't E might only need 2.5 g shrooms and I could take 4.5
Any idea on how muchbit potentiates? 2x, 3x, more? Just to get a feel for it so I can figure what dose he'd like best
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23203057 - 05/08/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forgot my 5meo DMT, I have 4ho dipt but I absolutely will not be combining and lesser researched drug with the harmalas. 10 pm I'll let you guys know when I'm dosing up. (4ish hours) super excited guys! Good vibes all around
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23203073 - 05/08/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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4-ho-dipt seems like one of the coolest synthetic psychs out there, hope you have a great time!
Pretty much anything related to Dipt seems pretty damn interesting.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23203197 - 05/08/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Last meal was at 4pm. Might only get 5 g to split with E :/
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23203229 - 05/08/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I blacked out from 2g of cyans and some harmalas so they can certainly potentiate things easily 3x as well as adding to the overall experience.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23203281 - 05/08/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've got 3-4 different kinds of dipt. I'll have to see if it goes with harmalas, as 2.5 g to me seems low. I will probably increase rue/caapi to 5 g and 2.5 g mush (ape)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23203947 - 05/08/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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About to dose. We don't have a pot so we can't boil for tea which sucks so we'll have to eat the seeds and bark and shrooms. Ugh. 5 grams rue/ caapi if I didn't bring enough, I just grabbed a handful. 2.5 g shrooms each.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23204396 - 05/08/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Took some rue with a little caapi for flavor. Chewed up some seeds and sticks. Starting to feel fucked up and I don't think it's the weed. Took it maybe around 11:40-12:00, about mush it up
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23204829 - 05/09/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Still tripping like hard core. I've never tripped this hard from shrooms before. I'm excited for doing it again tonight lmao
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco] 1
#23205122 - 05/09/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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5g of maoi...thats alot man. Would you give us a trip report?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
#23205135 - 05/09/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good thread! Most of my trips these days will always include harmine feels like a waste if i dont it definitely adds layers and potentiates the strength. I have been over the above mentioned threshold a few times... not for the squeamish.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
#23205137 - 05/09/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Misread i thought it was 5g mush not 5g rue that is alot of maoi.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
#23205145 - 05/09/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm still tripping like level 2. I'm gonna try to make some sense of it. I'm hosting another psilohuasca at my houses tonight but I won't be tripping. I wanna get some sleep before I put too much thought into it's but I will say that when I was boiling the rue/caapi I kept saying I love you and bless us with your love and light
And I know that that influenced the rue/caapi somehow to give me this awesome loving trip
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco] 1
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I thought you said you chewed on the seeds, vines, and shrooms because you didn't have a pot.
Also you chewed 5g of Syrian rue seeds?
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Too early for this BBQ bro you're grilling me hardcore I'm burnt lol
My buddy said he didn't have shit, I got there and it turned out all I had to do was wash it. I weighed 2.54 something grams twice and put it in the pot. I then grabbed a handful of b. Caapi and threw it in, like 6-7 sticks (approx 4" long) I boiled it, and the b. Caapi reminded me of Asian letters while boiling, I took pics will add later. Boiled for 20 minutes then simmered for another 10. About 3-4 cups boiled down to 1.5-2 cups. Filtered plant matter. Drank the juice. Weighed 1.555 grams rue twice (the boiled seeds) for me and twice for e. Gave E a couple sticks, I took a couple sticks. We drank the juice and choked down the seeds (wow... Groooooooosssss) Watched the original old boy, which of course got weirder as we got higher on the harmalas About an hour later and the third blunt, I looked at e. Bro. I just got hella fucked up. I'm so stoned I need to lie down. (M) Mike- you are lying down. (E) Shit. Ok. Fuck I feel soooo good and soooo high. (M) Yeah I feel high and I can't smoke weed (e)
Time for shrooms !!! (M,e)
Around an hour after that... I was still getting higher and higher then bam. It hit me harder than when I tripped on 20 grams. I was tripping sooooo hard (hence my posts lol) and loving it. My flesh melted off my bones which melted into the rainbow which melted into love and everything came in and out of existence, when I wanted it to. It was like a brain orgasm x10. I remember saying (probably a dozen times with tears on my face) why didn't anyone tell me this before? This is so beautiful why does no one else know we NEED this someone should have told me earlier
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Ok guys I know you wanna hear the details of this trip. Needless to say I was blown away. 2.5 g shrooms for me. It felt like a whole ounce. But the come up was so extremely gentle. I'm hosting a psilohuasca at my house tonight. Any thoughts as to if I could do it again tonight? I absolutely wanna go that deep again. After I ate the shrooms, I started getting a really really low buzz. For like an hour I could barely feel it. We were watching TV (oldboy, then unsolved murders really awesome while tripping idk why but it was awesome!) I started getting really weird CEV. Like barely there and letters and very organic stuff. 1.5 hours after eating the shrooms I had the blanket over my head trying to get the most of the CEV. I remember thinking is this it? I wish I had more shrooms this isnt...
And no sooner had I thought that.... My body started vibrating really hard and I stuck my arm into the air. I'm brown skinned, I saw my flesh turn white, and turn into little beads and evaporate into the air. I watched the molecules vibrate and KNEW. Just everything. I learned the secret of the universe and why we are here. The shroos co.e from space they colonized this planet to spread the truth and the love. There was so much love it was alien and normal at the SAME time. My cells turned into waves and sheer energy. I evaporated and became isness. Erick and my consciousness just exploded all over the place. He was "sleeping" I could tell he was tripping very hard, he just had a grin on his face you wouldn't believe. Every once in a while he'd say something like oh, wow. I was laughing at some of the dumbest stuff (in a movie we watched a lady cut this guys femoral artery good thriller movie, and she WS so apologetic. I laughed so hard, I am so sorry, I cut your artery, you're going to bleed out in a few moments. I'm sorry!!!) The mental imagery combined with me having evaporated out of physical existence. It was like the shrooms were saying I'm so sorry! I just opened your consciousness to the all, to the Brahman. I'm sorry!!
I felt my molecules becoming waves. They changed color based on how fast or where they were. I rearranged the molecules into a plant. I became a bush, a vine, and a spore. The triumvirate combination grew and grew. As I grew I felt my mycelium pushing into the couch making me a part of the physical. I saw the mushroom spores come from space, part of an asteroid traveling through the Oort cloud, I saw myself as a 1000000 year old prehuman encounter this 1000000 year old mushroom vine bush and accelerate at a gentle breakneck speed lol if that's possible! To the present
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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About to dose again: two different people with me. 2.4 grams shrooms brewed 5 grams rue and 3 grams caapi, plus a couple tiny sticks. If we choose to eat any of them I'll report too.
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Good vibes.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
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I'm not going to dose tomorrow but how long could you keep going? Shrooms you can microdose daily, rue you could microdose daily. This may be a stoned /tripping question, and I'm meaning more than a microdose. But how often without hurting yourself with the harmala, and tolerance wise. It was so much more potent, I can't imagine tolerance would build up too much dosing every third day or every other day with lower than some of my doses.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23208696 - 05/10/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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wooow nice report man...i like the part that mushrooms are spreading their spores through space to colonize grow and spread the love and wisdom.
next time ill try more rue (5g) and less mushroom (2.5g).
i have taken before 10g of mushroom and on the other day another 10 or something around it and i didnt notice mush tolerance, but i didnt enjoy the 2nd trip and i was so tired and far out. i wouldnt dose every day or every 2-3 day, at least i'd wait two weeks.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23208769 - 05/10/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well. Two days right together, first trip psilohuasca was wowies. Second trip psilohuasca I feel like I took two tabs of acid maybe, not as strong for sure but turned on the light and wow I'm still tripping a lot harder than I thought
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#23210192 - 05/10/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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dieta 3 days before and after --> ayahauscaforum -->5grs of peganum (min)+5 grs cubensis or 1grs-2 grs pan cyan
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
#23210227 - 05/10/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow thats alot!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23212901 - 05/11/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Imao is the more important when you want take Ayahuasca or AnaloguAuasca
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: champimagik]
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sorry but what is AnaloguAuasca?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23232782 - 05/16/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's the mix who act like Ayahuasca but without Ayahuasca, exemple:pegane+mush or passiflore+viridis...
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#23589073 - 08/29/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've tried it three times. Getting ready for the Solar eclipse on 9/1. The second time I tried it I really did a stupid thing. I drank a tea of the seed, three tablespoons through a coffee machine run through twice. My daughter said I could have died. I had serotonin syndrome for 36 hours. I had left them whole which probably saved my life. I would pass out (which I never do) and come to on the floor. Extreme changes in body temp, chills and sweats. Feeling bad for 36 hours. The last time I measured 1/4 TEASPOON, ground in a coffee mill to fine powder and run through my coffee machine twice with an unbleached filter. That's my dose. A half hour later I ate a dry cap of Golden Teacher about the size between a nickel and a quarter. I had the best visuals I've had since my acid days in the late 60's. Lasts 12 hours. You can buy a pound of the seeds, completely legal, for $9...
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: SpoReSonG]
#23589145 - 08/29/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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pfff the guys who have understand everything about IMAO lol
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Im thinking to try this, can someone help me? I plan to buy some shredded caapi vine. How is it prepared? Do i first make the caapi tea(at what dose?) without mushrooms. Ive read you drink the caapi tea then wait a certain amount of time before consuming the mushrooms?
Never tried an maoi before so i have no idea. Just the idea came to me and its calling out to me or something. Some help would be appreciated because im the type to put too much into myself..
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: KetBom]
#24033477 - 01/23/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I plan on doing this soon as well, I have harmaline alkaloids extract, planning on taking .08 with 2.5 grams of cubes....should be one hell of a time! My buddy did it and said he saw Arabic writing in the visions and was so overwhelmed with Ecstatic body load he passed himself lol...sound slide my kinda night!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: KetBom]
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KetBom said: Im thinking to try this, can someone help me? I plan to buy some shredded caapi vine. How is it prepared? Do i first make the caapi tea(at what dose?) without mushrooms. Ive read you drink the caapi tea then wait a certain amount of time before consuming the mushrooms?
Never tried an maoi before so i have no idea. Just the idea came to me and its calling out to me or something. Some help would be appreciated because im the type to put too much into myself..
I would recommend starting with purified harmine/harmaline. It is relatively cheap and will allow you to precisely dose.
Start with 50-100mg of just the MAOI to see how it effects you, 200-250 is a typical dose to activate oral dmt.
Make sure you read up on all the safety precautions before using it.
Eat the harmalas at least 30-45 minutes before the dmt.
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Would it be the same amount of time to wait if one was to dose mushies instead of dmt?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Peteyboy]
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Peteyboy said: Would it be the same amount of time to wait if one was to dose mushies instead of dmt?
It would matter less with mushies as it would just be enhancing them instead of making em active orally. But yes 45-60 min is probably best for most people.
It does seem to vary person to person though so with oral DMT it can take some experimenting to get the timing right from what I have read.
So for some people it might be best to wait 30 min others it could be 90
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Do you still get the heavy stomach or body feel with extracted harmalas? Ive only ever brewed plants
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I would recommend starting with purified harmine/harmaline. It is relatively cheap and will allow you to precisely dose.
Start with 50-100mg of just the MAOI to see how it effects you, 200-250 is a typical dose to activate oral dmt.
Make sure you read up on all the safety precautions before using it.
Eat the harmalas at least 30-45 minutes before the dmt.
Thanks, Im more interested in doin it more natural by making a tea with the caapi vine like how they do it in the amazon and whatnot. Feels more "spiritual" ya know. Im reading an ayahuasca recipe and it says to use 50 grams of caapi vine. https://erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_info9.shtml
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: KetBom]
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Mike4aco said: Do you still get the heavy stomach or body feel with extracted harmalas? Ive only ever brewed plants
If you eat too much even pure harmalas will cause nausea. For me this happens in the 300+mg range.
Whenever I ate 100-200mg or so though I never noticed anything. That is why I recommend it over eating rue or brewing caapi, at least initially.
Being able to weigh up a precise dose is very reassuring with something like MAOI's. The potency of rue and caapi can vary greatly from what I have read.
Thanks, Im more interested in doin it more natural by making a tea with the caapi vine like how they do it in the amazon and whatnot. Feels more "spiritual" ya know. Im reading an ayahuasca recipe and it says to use 50 grams of caapi vine. https://erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_info9.shtml
I feel you, caapi has more magic to it from what I have read. Using standardized extracts is just simpler and safer I would say.
Starting with 50g sounds smart though, even some more potent varieties that wouldn't be too much unless it was some black caapi or something which is rare.
Anyways I hope you have a great time whatever you choose to do!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said: Do you still get the heavy stomach or body feel with extracted harmalas? Ive only ever brewed plants
The extract does feel cleaner, but with a high enough dosage you can still feel a heavy body load and nausea, and can still vomit. But with the Harmala reverse tolerance, one can take extract or the Rue/Caapi and not get nauseous/vomit or have much of a body load, the reverse tolerance cleans things up quite a lot, makes it feel a lot better, and allows you to handle/tolerate stronger Harmala dosages more easily.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#24035194 - 01/24/17 05:45 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I have added some Caapi copy I extracted to my ayahuasca brew rhea morning. Im taking it with mescaline so I will probably yak anyway. I never seem to get nausea on aya just the dmt brew
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#24035199 - 01/24/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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my experience with syrian rue seeds (3g) and cubes (4g) was a breath taking experience, i really loved it gonna do it again soon.
the trip lasted nearly 12 hrs, unlike the mushroom on its own which lasts 5 hrs.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#24364423 - 05/31/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bump
Planning on doing 6g shrooms and 3g rue soon.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Oh my god thats alot. Good luck
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say hi to the white light for me!
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I just got a bunch of shrooms I will be doing Psilohuasca with b caapi next monday
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And me! Let us know if you hear any celestial/ angelic voices. I wish I could remember what they said when I blacked out on psilohuasca.
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My go to combination for going as deep as possible is Mushrooms (5-7 grams) and Syrian rue (4 grams) Have done it with P. cubensis with amazing results in the 6-7 gram range however will be lowering my mushroom dosage to about 5 grams for P. subaeruginosa as i found 7 grams to be a bit to much for this combination Will be trying 5 grams of P. subaeruginosa with syrian rue in the coming weeks
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My go to dose when I want to press the button but with harmine.
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Unfortunately things came up and it was hard for me to trip for 12hrs+ so i dosed 3.5g dried cubensis of my home grown shrooms.
Now i am coming down from the trip and it was AWSOME!!
Alians = 
Even with a site like shroomery, i still think psilocybin is underrated substance.
I don't think we have evolved enough to be able to describe the mushrooms experience.
Gonna wait a couple of weeks and for the right setting to do the 6g shrooms 3g rue trip.
Also i have done a 5g shrooms 3g rue before, but i must say that the 3.5g shrooms and 3g rue was more intense .
Good luck guys, report to us back.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#24366807 - 06/01/17 01:04 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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rue and mushrooms is basically my favorite!
so glad there's a whole 4-page thread devoted to it.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Yeah, maybe McKenna slightly but that's about it. He comes closer than anyone I've seen so I guess that's good enough
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Nope.
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MushroomBilly said: I tried it with moclobemide and had a sinister episode with delusional thoughts and paranoia. The mushroom is just what nature intended - psychedelic perfection - why mess with it? If you want more intensity, just eat more.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: spacechimp]
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"MushroomBilly said: I tried it with moclobemide and had a sinister episode with delusional thoughts and paranoia. The mushroom is just what nature intended - psychedelic perfection - why mess with it? If you want more intensity, just eat more."
Using Moclobemide isn't Psilohuasca, you have to use the Harmalas.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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My fiancée is gonna be trying Psilohuasca tomorrow. We've tried aya and well... She's a new person for me to cook for, usually takes me 2-3 tries to get it perfect for the person im cooking for, the first two aya attempts were kinda weak, and she now thinks ayahuasca is just like that, extreme prepping and little tripping.
So wild grown mushrooms im thinking like 7-10 grams plus the b caapi vine will be nice, might just give her a half oz. I was gonna try mescahuasca again but im not sure if that will be worth it as the dmt and mescaline seem to fight over which one actually takes hold and makes me trip (seems like mescaline always wins maybe I need to vape some deem or brew the aya better
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#24378550 - 06/05/17 05:24 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wooow 10g dried cubensis and maoi?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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They are wild shrooms. 5 grams was kind of ok but nothing spectacular
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#24378569 - 06/05/17 05:44 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some wild shrooms are way stronger than cubensis.
I know a guy who (against my advice) took 12g cubensis dried and 3g rue, he was far out, he would hug us then push us and acts violently, talking nonsense and about seeing planets and galaxies and over all he was sooo weird. The next day he told us that he thought that he died and he was seeing god and the angels and they were deciding if he should go to heaven or hell by showing him his life and the things he has done.
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The next day he told us that he thought that he died and he was seeing god and the angels and they were deciding if he should go to heaven or hell by showing him his life and the things he has done.
typical psychedelic experience
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The next day he told us that he thought that he died and he was seeing god and the angels and they were deciding if he should go to heaven or hell by showing him his life and the things he has done.
typical psychedelic experience 
I find this thing about "hell" to be strange though. I have heard of multiple people getting something like this but none of my psychedelic experiences have ever come close.. My experiences with psychedelics have only shown me that hell doesn't exist. It's weird that people who take psychedelics still get this.
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According to nearly all religions hell/hell realms do exist.
But it could also has to do with your upbringing and your religious background, however i have seen before gods from different religions while tripping that i have never seen or read about before only to find later that that they do exist in certain religions, i think its a mystery as most things when it comes to shrooms .
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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oontribe said: According to nearly all religions hell/hell realms do exist.
But it could also has to do with your upbringing and your religious background, however i have seen before gods from different religions while tripping that i have never seen or read about before only to find later that that they do exist in certain religions, i think its a mystery as most things when it comes to shrooms .
I never see stuff from religions in my trips it's always much more alien and unorthodox than that. Also nearly all religions are bullshit to me so saying nearly all religions have a hell realm doesn't really convince me. Biologically speaking the concept of hell doesn't even make sense or seem possible, biology IS hell so without it (once you die) how can there be anything like that? Makes no sense, not to mention psychedelics like mushrooms have specifically told me over and over again that not only does hell not exist but we all go to the same place when we die. The only "hell" you'll face is here on earth, maybe that's what these religions messed up on.
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I see lots of gods and alians on shrooms.
Everyone got his point of view when it comes to religion.
You are REINCARNATED with another form in the hell realms or hell (thats how religions put it).
It doesn't sound fair at all that we all go to the same place when we die.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Psychedelics can make you belief anywhere is really hell. That's why set and setting is so huge for me. If ur not in the most warm place possible. It's just cold. I thought I died from an overdose of lsd and was in hell. It was such a reckless choice to take 1.5 mg of lsd with no experience on no sleep. I feel like it's punishment hence, when you have died ur reality is in control by the 'controlers' who rule ur trips. and they really were just contemplating if he is going to get rewards for good actions or bad actions (karma) in his life. The ego-less part of self just kind of takes the wheel at that point. But that is exactly what you sign up for when you take huge amounts of psychedelics.
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It doesn't sound fair at all that we all go to the same place when we die.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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oontribe said: I see lots of gods and alians on shrooms.
Everyone got his point of view when it comes to religion.
You are REINCARNATED with another form in the hell realms or hell (thats how religions put it).
It doesn't sound fair at all that we all go to the same place when we die.
I came across a unique and interesting heaven and hell theory in a far out anime recently. It has a lot of bhuddist influences but anyways they believe in many planes of existence. We live on a neutral plane and there exist many higher and lower planes of "heaven" and "hell".
The way we live and think raises or lowers our soul/ consciousness so that when we die it will ascend or descend. Demons and angels are essentially entities that exist in higher or lower planes of existence.
Buddhists believe no one will be fully enlightened until everyone is so bodisatvas choose to be riencarnated and help their fellow souls reach enlightenment. Bhuddists also believe in special planes of existence ruled to various Bodhisattva's who have earned their own realms through various noble deeds.
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@infectedstyle its not competition but hitler will be in the same place as dalai lama! According to Hinduism all will reach moshka at the end but for some it will take lots of lives and suffering. In Judaism all will go to heaven but they will stay in the purgatory and how long it depends on your sins. But what make sense to me is some will disappear from existance as if they have never been borned and many more other things because god is infinity and anything you can think of and even can't think of might happen.
@musiclover what you said is in the mahayana branch in budhhism.
And according to budhhism and also Hinduism some will suffer in the lower realms or hell realms for a number of years that man can't count till they finish their karma, and even good people who spend their time in the higher realms or the gods realms will eventually die and reborned again. Only the paranirvana where you will live forever and to reach it you must follow the teachings of budhha.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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wow that blew my mind, I dont particularly like the idea that some souls take the bus to heaven and others the bus to purgatory or something.. I think if it's something it's a collective effort. What if the souls retreat back into the earth and are judged there by the entire connected minds of all the souls that have been before. this means hitler is judged with perfect knowledge of his entire life-progress by all the jews he killed who also retain the knowledge of all their ancestry and prophets. Forgiveness might actually be imminent. I read in the baghavad gita that the individual soul actually is eternal. That means hitler is eternal and can't really be removed. But his actions are not his soul. After some amount of forging in the alchemical earth he is refreshed and put back into the system. He might just be alive right now. I woulden't want to know what kind of trip he went through in there. Considering the shit I went through. And I thought I was a good guy.
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Yea karma and reincarnations.
On my last psilohuasca trip i have went through my past lives and how it lead to my current life.
And also saw the past lives of other people i love.
Not everyone can know about his past lives but psychedelics can show you that.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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The things I see are definitely mystical and divine but nothing "religious" nothing from orthodox forms of spirituality.
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It doesn't sound fair at all that we all go to the same place when we die.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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I don't see a killer going to the same place as the saint. At least the killer has to pay for his actions in some way or another.
Or what is the meaning of livinga moralistic life, anyone can do anything because it's the same in the end.
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Sabnock said: "MushroomBilly said: I tried it with moclobemide and had a sinister episode with delusional thoughts and paranoia. The mushroom is just what nature intended - psychedelic perfection - why mess with it? If you want more intensity, just eat more."
Using Moclobemide isn't Psilohuasca, you have to use the Harmalas.

And haramalas don't only make the trip last longer but they become stronger and it doesn't feel like youe regular mushrooms trip but an entire new substance (psilohuasca).
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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oontribe said: I don't see a killer going to the same place as the saint.
That's the thing though; I do. I think it may hurt their soul because hurting someone else is hurting you as well but I think karma penetrating into the next life is BS. I believe in some form of "karma" but imo that's just part of this reality/life. After this life is over karma will no longer be a thing, at least that's what I think.
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At least the killer has to pay for his actions in some way or another.
Not necessarily. That's just wishful thinking and there's honestly no reason to assume that.
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Or what is the meaning of livinga moralistic life, anyone can do anything because it's the same
Maybe their soul will have more knowledge or something who knows 
I just see not murdering and living "morally" as a biological upside with the contrary being a biological failure.
At the end of the day we're just animals. Hyenas are fucking dicks to their prey but I don't believe hyenas are going to another realm that puppies and saints aren't going to.
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What a nihilistic view...
It doesn't make sense to me, and based on my mushrooms trips and religious knowledge i have to disagree with you.
And death is the black hole of life, no one came back to tell us how it is, we will see...
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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oontribe said: What a nihilistic view...
Literally the opposite... I don't get how you see this as a negative thing that's really bizarre to me.
The only thing that creates "good" and "bad" are the ego. This was put into place for our survival.
Maybe you should ask the mushroom yourself because what it told me was very clear and if anything I find mushrooms disprove any smidgen of nihilism.
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Look up nihilism before you start arguing about it.
It's not how I would be labeling your previous posts but it's certainly not "literally opposite "or wrong in reference to them.
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I believe in peace, love and inner values to live happily (it's the main teachings in relatively all religions to live a happy life in this life and the next).
And i believe in karma and experienced it in this life too for many times. And in my last psilohuasca trip i have gone through my past lives. Also Stanislav grof wrote about his patients experiencing their past lives on a heavy psychedelic trips.
And when it comes to tripping, doing a mischievous thing or hurting someone, comes back to me in my trip and sometimes in a hard ways.
As i have said before in a religion like Hinduism we are all saved, we all gonna reach moksha but for some people it will take many lives to reach it because of their bad karma.
And again living an egocentric selfish life or hurting the others and doing whatever i please no matter how amoral it is and in the end i will be in the same place as those who are fighting themselves to be always a better versions of their past self and trying to spread the love, peace and happiness, doesn't make sense to me or seem fair.
And deep down we all know what's right and whats wrong, you don't need a religion to tell you that killing or stealing is bad.
In my understanding to nihilism it's that life is meaningless and everything is allowed as their is nothing called right or wrong, maybe i need to read more about it and i think aurora doesn't think that life is meaningless.
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Anyways lets just stick to the main topic: psilohuasca.
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My girl loves it im flying so high right now on it its hard to type 7 grams and like 150 grams b caapi also some mescaline was involved along with some chacruna
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said: Look up nihilism before you start arguing about it.
It's not how I would be labeling your previous posts but it's certainly not "literally opposite "or wrong in reference to them.
Your opinion is your opinion. You think I don't know what nihilism is? Go to bed pineninja.
I've honestly never seen you post something that wasn't absolute shit.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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oontribe said: And i believe in karma and experienced it in this life too for many times. And in my last psilohuasca trip i have gone through my past lives. Also Stanislav grof wrote about his patients experiencing their past lives on a heavy psychedelic trips.
How do you know these aren't just genetic memories?
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And when it comes to tripping, doing a mischievous thing or hurting someone, comes back to me in my trip and sometimes in a hard ways.
Maybe that's what old mystics really meant when they said "karma" or "hell". Maybe they were referring to a bad psychedelic trip, usually something that comes about when you've hurt or wronged someone.  Same logic as karma really.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said: My girl loves it im flying so high right now on it its hard to type 7 grams and like 150 grams b caapi also some mescaline was involved along with some chacruna
Woow man, hows the body load?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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What body load? Lol ok for the first half hour or so I was so so cold she got me like six blankets and I huddled up and we cuddled a bit to warm up. Then when I got warm again I was so energetic so amazingly full of bright vibrant energy no bad load at all just bright light and electric energy
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oontribe said: And i believe in karma and experienced it in this life too for many times. And in my last psilohuasca trip i have gone through my past lives. Also Stanislav grof wrote about his patients experiencing their past lives on a heavy psychedelic trips.
How do you know these aren't just genetic memories?
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And when it comes to tripping, doing a mischievous thing or hurting someone, comes back to me in my trip and sometimes in a hard ways.
Maybe that's what old mystics really meant when they said "karma" or "hell". Maybe they were referring to a bad psychedelic trip, usually something that comes about when you've hurt or wronged someone.  Same logic as karma really.
Lets keep it to psilohuasca in this thread .
You can make a thread about it in the pub, psychedelic, or philosophy forum and you will get more opinions and we can talk there.
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Mike4aco said: What body load? Lol ok for the first half hour or so I was so so cold she got me like six blankets and I huddled up and we cuddled a bit to warm up. Then when I got warm again I was so energetic so amazingly full of bright vibrant energy no bad load at all just bright light and electric energy
Glad that things turned out like this, in my last psilohuasca i was sometimes hot and sweating and other times cold! I was asking because you also mixed mescaline in the mix. That was a heroic thing mate.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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I've tried the combo quite a few times. Here's one trip report of mine:
Syrian Rue + Fresh Cubes
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: AtomHeart]
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Woow rue and 137.5g fresh!! 
My last shroom rue trip the shrooms (grounded) kicked so fast too, only in five minutes after 45 minutes of consuming the rue!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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One particularly impressive time on rue and cubes, I laid down on my bed, rolled onto my side, and my vision filled with an incredibly clear and detailed giant control panel, with knobs, gauges, and meters, that would all move and adjust as my thoughts changed, like it was a control panel monitoring my brain and it's inner workings.
I think that time I was only on 1.5g of each, too.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: AtomHeart] 2
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Psilohuasca tonight! 4g of Syrian Rue + 5g of Psilocybe subaeruginosa Will post a brief trip report here when im back
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Woow thats a heroic dose with syrian rue...would love to hear your trip report
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Godspeed, brave psychonaut!
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Alright dudes here is my "report" of last night, forgive me if its a bit all over the place as i haven't slept and these are copied straight from my raw notes 
Preparation 4 grams of Syrian rue grinded to semi powder and put into 9 gel capsules, 50 grams of fresh Psilocybe subaeruginosa minced and placed into hot water containing lemon juice, left to simmer for around 30 minutes then placed into mugs with tea bags to taste.
The Experience Drank tea contents around 8pm and sat outside while waiting for the effects, a wave of intense nausea came over me so I retreated inside to bed. I felt the first effects coming on swiftly. Laying down in bed meditating with my eyes closed, visuals began to come forth from the black however it was as if the lights were dimmed thus making it difficult to see anything clearly. The first part of the experience resembled DMT and Ayahuasca, the way I was moving through the mindscapes and the way the experience felt. I felt the presence of and fleeting images entities within this place however nothing was clearly seen. I could feel what I came for (OBE + Ego death) was going to happen but I wasn’t going to be thrown into it, I had to focus in order to get deeper. The next stage of the experience was meeting the mushroom and going into his world, unlike the stage that felt like DMT this was slower moving, more twisted and darker rather than high speed and geometric. It was at this stage where the disconnection to my body began and the breaking down of the ego. The whole process was felt slowly and clearly with no fear attached with the end point resulting in OBE, ego death and loss of reality, a true level 5. Won’t go into detail about the process as its something that has to be experienced to understand and writing about it is completely meaningless plus a lot of the experience defies explanation. Loss of connection to the breath was the final stage of dissolving which is extremely intense and quite frightening if you don’t know what’s happening. The experience began to retreat slowly after about 2 hours which I was still going in and out of the void. Reality started return and could move my body. I felt that my connection with the mushroom was different this time, I felt like we worked together rather than him just dragging me along. The twisted visions and thoughts produced by the mushrooms and the dying ego didn’t strike fear or discomfort in me rather I was able to observe them and let them go allowing me to focus on the goal. The come down was gentle however I was plagued with weird nonsensical irrelevant thoughts, but it wasn’t causing me any discomfort it was just
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
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I understand but I don't
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Filterhead462 said: Alright dudes here is my "report" of last night, forgive me if its a bit all over the place as i haven't slept and these are copied straight from my raw notes 
Preparation 4 grams of Syrian rue grinded to semi powder and put into 9 gel capsules, 50 grams of fresh Psilocybe subaeruginosa minced and placed into hot water containing lemon juice, left to simmer for around 30 minutes then placed into mugs with tea bags to taste.
The Experience Drank tea contents around 8pm and sat outside while waiting for the effects, a wave of intense nausea came over me so I retreated inside to bed. I felt the first effects coming on swiftly. Laying down in bed meditating with my eyes closed, visuals began to come forth from the black however it was as if the lights were dimmed thus making it difficult to see anything clearly. The first part of the experience resembled DMT and Ayahuasca, the way I was moving through the mindscapes and the way the experience felt. I felt the presence of and fleeting images entities within this place however nothing was clearly seen. I could feel what I came for (OBE + Ego death) was going to happen but I wasn’t going to be thrown into it, I had to focus in order to get deeper. The next stage of the experience was meeting the mushroom and going into his world, unlike the stage that felt like DMT this was slower moving, more twisted and darker rather than high speed and geometric. It was at this stage where the disconnection to my body began and the breaking down of the ego. The whole process was felt slowly and clearly with no fear attached with the end point resulting in OBE, ego death and loss of reality, a true level 5. Won’t go into detail about the process as its something that has to be experienced to understand and writing about it is completely meaningless plus a lot of the experience defies explanation. Loss of connection to the breath was the final stage of dissolving which is extremely intense and quite frightening if you don’t know what’s happening. The experience began to retreat slowly after about 2 hours which I was still going in and out of the void. Reality started return and could move my body. I felt that my connection with the mushroom was different this time, I felt like we worked together rather than him just dragging me along. The twisted visions and thoughts produced by the mushrooms and the dying ego didn’t strike fear or discomfort in me rather I was able to observe them and let them go allowing me to focus on the goal. The come down was gentle however I was plagued with weird nonsensical irrelevant thoughts, but it wasn’t causing me any discomfort it was just
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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Took 10 minutes to feel the first effects, then the peak lasted around 2 hours then coming down for another 3 hours Major time dilation though so the peak felt like it lasted an infinite time frame
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Usually psilohuasca lasts for me 12hrs and sometimes +.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
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It has to do with the potentiation of the Psilocin by the gut's MAO-A inhibition. You have to take the Shrooms/Psilocin when the gut's MAO-A is inhibited fully to get the most potentiation, if you take the Shrooms/Psilocin too early or too late it won't be potentiated as much.
Anytime i've taken Shrooms or 4-ACO-DMT with Harmalas/Rue it's been 30 minutes after taking encapsulated Harmalas/Rue and i definitely notice the potentiation and lengthening of duration.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#24395337 - 06/10/17 11:32 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe there are other factors in play with the duration of a trip such as your own metabolism, how the substance was consumed and stomach contents I have noticed only a small increase in duration with an MAOI however a major increase in potency/strength
Also the peak length may be subjective to people, some may say the peak is over at about two hours while others would still consider it a "peak" For myself i have noticed ALL psychedelics lasting less than they should Pure LSD lasts around 6-8 hours for me with a 3 hour peak while Ayahausca will last around 6 hours with only a 2 hour peak Mushrooms when consumed in a tea or powder will last around 4 hours however with an MAOI they may be extended to 5-6 hours with usually a 2-3 hour peak I consider the peak over when i have a dropped from level 5 to level 4 as most of my trips involve tripping in the level 5 category, so once reality is partially back in focus i consider the peak to be over
Effects may be present for longer than the durations i have stated but i do not consider these minimal effects when calculating duration
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#24395359 - 06/10/17 11:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Filterhead said it only lasted 5hrs but for me it lasts at least 12hrs.
Usually i wait 45 mins to consume the shrooms after taking the grounded rue seeds.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#24396273 - 06/11/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shrooms and 4-ACO-DMT last about 9 to 12 hours for me when combined with Harmalas. Seems to unfold much like an LSD experience does in that the first few hours are the trippiest with the rest being a stabilization period.
Idk maybe it does have something to do with metabolization, but i think if enough Harmalas are used and the consumption of the Shrooms/4-ACO is timed right you'll definitely get a longer duration out of it. Or maybe some people just don't get that lengthened duration, idk. One definitely needs a good enough Harmala dosage though for full MAO-A inhibition, as well as possibly the CYP inhibition.
I've taken 4-ACO a couple hours after the Rue and didn't get the lengthened duration because i took the 4-ACO too late, but i still noticed some potentiation. So maybe you just need to find the right timing.
Imo i would think anyone should be able to get that lengthened duration, but then again some people have increased CYP enzymes which could make people fast metabolizers of things.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#24397065 - 06/11/17 03:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting notes about time of consumption.
My notes: Consume maoi (always b caapi) Wait a minimum of one hour no more than 1:20 and take the tryptamine. Usually closer to an hour. I trip for around 10 hours total but I usually add like mescaline or something on the come down which pushes me right back there
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mike4aco]
#24456005 - 07/04/17 02:40 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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My friend just tripped in my place on 3g rue and 3.5g shrooms.
He liked it so much and said it was very beneficial.
The thing is it only lasted 5hrs!!! And he told me it was way stronger than shrooms on their own, usually my psilohuasca trips lasts from 10-12 hrs+.
That was weird.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#24456012 - 07/04/17 02:50 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's about my expectation these days. Without its 3 to 4 with its 5 to 6. Everybody's bodies different.
Did he have a tolerance?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pineninja]
#24456041 - 07/04/17 03:17 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Last time he took shrooms was like 9 days before his psilohuasca experience.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
#25047958 - 03/08/18 06:47 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, so tonight, in a few hours, I'll have my first psilohuasca journey.
I'll take 100mg of purified harmala alkaloids (golden HCl needles I extracted myself from syrian rue), and then lemontek 2g of cubes half an hour later.
I know the harmala dose and also the shroom dose is not that big, but I will dive in low for my first time.
Will report back. t: -6h
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#25047988 - 03/08/18 07:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wanna do this! I have 5 grams of extracted full spectrum harmalas... and a bunch of exotic shroomies!
Can't wait for your update brother!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#25049007 - 03/08/18 01:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, do it and report back!
I'm half way in:

120mg harmala-mix HCl to the left, 2.2g of cubes to the right.
I split the harmala dose into two parts, to help with possible nausea. The first of two harmala capsuls is down. Took it like 15min ago. The second one I will take in 5min. Ground shrooms are already soaking in lemon juice. Will take them 20min after the second harmala dose.
I'm excited. 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25049100 - 03/08/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ohhhhhh baby that looks awesome! I got work tomorrow or I would join in! But I'm going to be checking this thread regularly tonight!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25049977 - 03/08/18 04:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh boy, it's been 4 hours but it's still kicking like it's the first.. 
Those tracers are insane! Sound of some voices is pitched a note up. Oo
98% like smooked dmt.. it really is! For hours.. What the... ? Will report back later lol

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#25050009 - 03/08/18 05:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you want some eye/ear candy here's a trippy music video I made, it's got a very psychedelic kaleidoscopic style:
Camel - Moonmadness Live (1976)
That video is pretty slow but I made some similar ones that move much faster and can warp your vision like some optical illusions if you stare at the center.
Here's a weirder one that moves a lot faster:
Eloy - Planets (1981)
They might be a bit intense while tripping, but they are very trippy even when just stoned 
If you stare at the center of the faster videos for a minute then look away it can warp your vision in strange ways
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420] 2
#25050098 - 03/08/18 05:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thx. But these are simply too much for me atm.
I'm happy with a blanc google screen. I can still play snake with my mousepointer, and insane kaleidoscopic patterns appear from the white surface. 
Still, voices apper brighter /pitched up. Funny! CEVs are awesome! Not relieving for hours.. And no nausea at all! Oo

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25050139 - 03/08/18 05:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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IME harmalas don't really cause nausea until you hit the 200-300mg range, but I'm sure it varies person to person.
And like you did spreading the doses out a bit seems to help acclimate your body.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420] 1
#25050159 - 03/08/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This psilohuasca is a surreal joke. I lemonteked my shrooms, usually they peak for 2h and I'm pretty much back completly by the 4h mark this way. Now it's 5h and t's still peaking.. 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25050188 - 03/08/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's interesting with oral dmt especially where it lasts so short when smoked, but depending on the harmala dose it can easily last for 3-6 hours or more.
I wonder how the duration would vary with mushrooms 
Anyways I hope you have a great time 
Harmalas go great with meditation as well IMO as they have a mildly sedating/trance like quality.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420] 3
#25050353 - 03/08/18 07:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, 6 hours in and the effects start to wear off a litte. I'm totally happy with that!
I think it's due to the harmalas that slowly stop working by now. I wonder what happens if one redoses some more harmalas like 4h in? Does it then add some additional hours to the overall length? It should imo.
I had a nice trip today! 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] 3
#25051155 - 03/09/18 06:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, I'm back awake and sober again.
I have to say I'm very impressed! Those harmalas did a great job.
They increased the intensity a bit and easily doubled the lenght of the trip for me. I went to bed 8h after ingestion and I still had this dancing purpe mandala in my entire (closed eye- ) vision, for like an additional hour.
Some things that blew my mind: Intensity wise this trip felt like 3 or 4 grams or so, but the overall nature was altered completly. It felt so close to DMT, within the first two hours I thought this is exactly like smoked DMT. Same headspace, same mental and physical effects like pressure in head, my head "filled the entire room", same tracers.. When I moved my hand I could paint the air, there were like ten of my hands combining to a slide of ghostly patterns. Incredible. Exactly like DMT -tracers, but a little different at the same time. Much stronger than with mushrooms alone, though.
The intensity was constantly high for like 5 hours. The 5th hour felt exactly like the first. Then it gradually wore off. Like I said, even 8h later while comming down I had still astonishing CEVs.
Some voices were differently heard. I had my TV on in the background, and some voices were pitched up like catoon mice voices, or "helium voices". Funny thing is that not all voices were pitched, but only a few. This did last the entire trip.
I'm very impressed by this combination, and I will experiment more. It really doubed the lenght, I peaked for 5 to 6 hours constantly. With a lemon tek! And I had no nausea at all. I thought those harmalas were nauseating, but with this (small) dose I didn't feel the slightest discomfort. Astonishing.. 
Next time I'll take sth like 3.5g of cubes with 180mg harmalas or so. Incredible combination! I'm really stunned! Psilohuasca for the win..! 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#25051158 - 03/09/18 06:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon-thank you sooo much for sharing your experience...Ive been wanting tindo this for a long time...you have re inspired me to set a night aside to try itnout....Thanks again, and so glad you enjoyed yourself....oh btw come back and post about your next experience
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25052143 - 03/09/18 02:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's been 9 days. Now I will dive in again.
150mg harmalas already downed, 3.2g of cubes I will lemontek in 10min. Shrooms are already soaking in lemon juice for 20min.
That's a bit more harmalas and roughly 50% more shrooms than last week. And last week has been strong, for 2.2g only.. I'm excited!

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] 2
#25071363 - 03/17/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Abnormal sh*t. The ground I walk on liquidates into aztec patterns. This really is a drug on it's own.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25075276 - 03/19/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Abnormal sh*t. The ground I walk on liquidates into aztec patterns. This really is a drug on it's own.
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Holy shit man that sounds amazinnnnng What else did you experience?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Peteyboy] 2
#25075450 - 03/19/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hard to desrcibe. I can't even say it in german (my mother language), so how should I translate what I cannot describe..? 
My mind kept pretty clear, so it felt not much stronger than 3 or 4 grams mentaly, but the visuals were outrageous. There were times I couldn't read a line on the shroomery because everything in my vision was rising in colors, like heated air. Really hard to focus.
I have a white, tiled kitchenfloor that constantly changed shape. The joints of the tiles were no joints anymore, they constantly morphed into aztec symbols or patterns, and the whole floor looked like a moving, wavy spiderweb of symbols.
Every outline, or edge, of any object was flickering hardcore in a zick-zack stile, and morphing into itself, reminiscent of a morphing tesseract, but way faster and more chaotic:

Closed eye visions were amazing. Psychedelic mandalas of any shape filled my entire vision and sparkled and enveloped me in colors I have never seen before.
I didn't have any insights, or enlightening thoughts, though. I just sat there and enjoyed the show, lol. There was a lack of psychedelic depth somehow, but I was still blown away by the intensity.
Harmalas enable mushroom turbo-mode. 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25075459 - 03/19/18 12:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you take pure harmalas? Also what's the highest dose you've tried?
I'm interested in seeing how pure harmalas compare to plain rue and caapi Harmine/harmaline are usually focused on but there are other goodies present such as Harmane and THH in caapi.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420] 1
#25075468 - 03/19/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, I took pure harmala HCl. I think it's a mix of harmine and harmaline, as I extracted it myself from syrian rue. Link /tek in my signature. Here's a pic of the stash:

I have never taken any rue on it's own before, so I cannot compare the isolated alkaloids to rue tea. I took 150 to 160 mg of those with 3.2g of cubes (lemontek). Still no nausea at all.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25075544 - 03/19/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why does psilohuasca last so long but pharmahuasca only last a couple hours? (in my case, anyway)
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25075574 - 03/19/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Why does psilohuasca last so long but pharmahuasca only last a couple hours? (in my case, anyway)
Probably as mushrooms already last at least 3-4 hours usually, and can last much longer at higher doses in some cases.
Where as DMT isn't even active orally normally, and is very short when smoked.
If you took a high enough harmala dose oral DMT could probably last much longer. As a kid older hippies I knew would talk about how Ayahuasca can last 12+ hours.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420] 2
#25075638 - 03/19/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I somewhere read that harmalas have a half-life of about three hours in humans. Means after three hours the ammount in our blood is metabolized down to 50% of it's original quantity.
If one takes a low dose of harmalas, say just enough to activate oral dmt, then the trip is then very short, because the dose is metabolized quickly to an ammount that is no longer enough for full mao-inhibition. If one now uses double the dose, the trip should last about three hours longer.. If one takes four times the normal dose, the trip can last 6 hours or longer.. and so on.. But high harmala doses can get rough. Better redose harmalas every two hours. Then you might trip infinitely LOL.  Of course not, but it would be a nice experiment to see how far one can get with redosing harmalas to keep the inhibition alive.. either with shrooms or dmt.
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#25075654 - 03/19/18 02:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Better redose harmalas every two hours. Then you might trip infinitely LOL. Of course not, but it would be a nice experiment..
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Going to have to test that sometime, would be amazing if there was a pattern of dosing that could extend oral DMT indefinitely 
It would probably take a lot of MAOI's though, but rue is cheap so it wouldn't cost too much necessarily.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420]
#25075664 - 03/19/18 02:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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but even mushrooms only last 3 hours tops for me 
LSD last about 5-6
maybe i just metabolize them quickly
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: but even mushrooms only last 3 hours tops for me 
LSD last about 5-6
maybe i just metabolize them quickly 
That is probably the case. I've heard of rare cases where mushrooms last much longer for certain people.
As a kid I knew someone who claimed to have tripped for over half a day from a large dose, but everyone said he was just full of shit. I always wondered if it was from a unique metabolism though.
How do you usually take your mushrooms? Tea seems to be absorbed by the body much quicker, but dry shrooms and chocolates can take longer to break down.
One time I ate a few little woodlovers, barely chewed them and they got me pretty high before I threw up most of them nearly undigested... The experience probably would have lasted around 6-8 hours otherwise as they slowly broke down in my stomach, though it would have been relatively mild from the slow onset.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
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For me, i use a good full dose of Harmalas/Rue which usually lasts me about 8 full hours, and the oral DMT usually lasts about 4 to 5 hours from come up to afterglow. The only times i've had oral DMT last less than 4 hours is when i've taken it with lower dosages of Harmalas/Rue which would give me about a 2 to 3 hour experience, or if i purge too early about 1 hour.
With Psilohuasca, the Harmalas/Rue lasts it's usual 8 hours or so, while the Psilocin's duration is extended to 9 to 12 hours. You need to take the Psilocin when gut MAO-A is fully inhibited in order to get maximum potentiation, which requires taking the Harmalas/Rue first, waiting for gut MAO-A to be inhibited, and then take the Psilocin, much like you would do with oral DMT.
I've used purified Harmala extract (Harmaline/Harmine) in freebase form but not HCL because i prefer the freebased since i can use it orally or smoke it, plus the freebase powder itself doesn't have much of a taste compared to the HCL salts. I've also used freebased Rue full spectrum extract. And i've used Rue seed powder in capsules but haven't made tea from the seeds but a couple times, i much prefer capsules. I usually stick to around 180mgs to 200mgs of freebased Rue or Harmala extract or 3 to 4.5 grams of Rue seed powder.
I've taken the Rue/Harmalas pretty regularly which builds up the Harmala reverse tolerance so not only do the Harmalas get stronger the more regularly they're consumed, the side-effects also go away so no nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, the body load cleans up and the motor function impairment is reduced, the Harmalas/Rue cleans up nicely with the reverse tolerance and allows you to handle stronger/heavier dosages of Harmalas more easily, also reduces the amount of Rue seed you need for the equivalent Harmala dosage which also contributes to it's cleaner feel. So when i say i stick to around 180 to 200mgs of Harmalas or 3 to 4.5 grams of Rue, just know that while i take the same dosage each time, it does get stronger the more regularly you consume them so eventually you need to lower the dosage here and there to keep a relatively consistent Harmala dosage. But taking Harmalas/Rue once a week or less probably won't be enough to establish much of a reverse tolerance.
I've also noticed that even 4-ACO-DMT is lengthened in duration and it's a pure powder, so 4-ACO-DMT or Shroom tea should still last about 9 to 12 hours in total with proper MAO-A inhibition and potentiation.
I also prefer the freebased full spectrum Rue extract over the purified Harmala extract, the full spectrum feels a bit cleaner/lighter than the Rue seed but still retains some of it's fullness whereas the purified Harmala extract basically feels more Pharmahuasca-like and feels like isolated compounds, whereas the Rue seed just feels like the raw plant.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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Be warned i took 3g syrian rue and 5g mushrooms 2 weeks ago, had a panic attack in the middle of the trip(it was fine until 3 hours in). never had one before. took 7g this weekend and had the same panic attack without a maoi.
this might have ruined shrooms for me...
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this might have ruined shrooms for me...
How much do you normally take? 5-7g is a big dose on their own... And rue can as much as triple the intensity and duration.
This is why I think it's smart to work up to bigger doses, especially when mixing things. Also using plain rue is more unpredictable as the potency varies a lot, so using a pure extract you can take a precise low/medium dose.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420]
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Actually the potency of Rue seed seems to be consistent, at least for me it has been. I've been buying whole Rue seed since 2012, it's always been the same potency/dosage, the dosage only needs to be lowered if i'm building up the reverse tolerance but i've definitely never had to take over 4 grams of Rue. 2 grams of Rue is light, 3 grams is moderate, 4 grams+ is high/heavy. I do agree though that it's good to be able to weigh out some extract and get precise dosing, but the i've never had an issue dosing Rue/Harmalas at all, i think Caapi is said to be a lot more unpredictable in terms of potency especially compared to Rue.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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musiclover420 said:Also using plain rue is more unpredictable as the potency varies a lot, so using a pure extract you can take a precise low/medium dose.
Actually the potency of Rue seed seems to be consistent, at least for me it has been. I've been buying whole Rue seed since 2012, it's always been the same potency/dosage, the dosage only needs to be lowered if i'm building up the reverse tolerance but i've definitely never had to take over 4 grams of Rue. 2 grams of Rue is light, 3 grams is moderate, 4 grams+ is high/heavy. I do agree though that it's good to be able to weigh out some extract and get precise dosing, but the i've never had an issue dosing Rue/Harmalas at all,
Maybe the potency evens out when taking a solid amount but the individual potency can vary a lot from what I've read. From wiki:
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Harmane, 0.16%[32] Harmine, 0.44%[33]–1.84%[32]–4.3%[34] The coatings of the seeds are said to contain large amounts of harmine.[7] Harmaline, 0.25%[32]–0.79%[33]–5.6%[34] Harmalol, 0.6%[34]–3.90%[32] Tetrahydroharmine, 0.1%[34] Total harmala alkaloids were at least 5.9% of dried weight, in one study.[32] Vasicine (peganine),[16] 0.25%[33] Vasicinone,[16] 0.0007%[33]
The seeds are pretty small so the potency probably evens out, but in theory you could still get extra weak or potent batches.
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i think Caapi is said to be a lot more unpredictable in terms of potency especially compared to Rue.
That makes sense as there's much more variation in "caapi" plants, some of the things sold as caapi are probably not even the same plant For example certain "red/black caapi". Some might be related species while others are likely entirely distinct plants that also contain MAOI's and who knows what else. I've heard some species actually contain DMT/tryptamines in the leaves and MAOI's in the vine/body of the plant.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420]
#25076113 - 03/19/18 06:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup, and any plant can have some variations in potency, just pointing out that i've never had a weak or inconsistent batch of Rue. Though i do take Rue seed powder in capsules, i don't make a tea from the seeds, so if someone were to make a tea and not prepare it properly, the tea could be weak, but the seed material has always been strong for me.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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Do you powder large amounts for later use or individual doses?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: musiclover420]
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Usually i grind up roughly enough seed for like 20 to 40 doses i would say, basically just fill up the coffee grinder as much as it'll hold and grind. Then i weigh out and encapsulate a dose.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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Usually i grind up roughly enough seed for like 20 to 40 doses i would say, basically just fill up the coffee grinder as much as it'll hold and grind. Then i weigh out and encapsulate a dose.

That could explain the even potencies, I hear that's a good method with shrooms as well to even out the strength. Same with cactus if you have enough
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#25367869 - 08/05/18 09:09 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree... maybe half the shrooms if you're taking 2-300 MGS of MAOI's. Also, stee you using Rue or Caapi?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShhhRumi79]
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I have a question regarding 'preparing' and/or the ingredients I have at hand... Ok: So mainly this is about the maoi involved. I have a 100g bag of groundup/powdered 'Yellow B. Caapi' ...and, obviously, some cubes. How should I go about preparing this considering that I am NOT using Rue (which seems to be the most common harmala/ maoi used in making 'psilohuasca) Ive read of one guy using actual pieces of the B. Caapi vin and crumbling pieces of the actual vine as well as the shrooms into a 'brew' (along with some lemon juice). Do I need to make a 'tea/ brew' or can i capsulate the Caapi and if so, at what ratio, etc. ANY HELP would be GREATLY APPRECIATED! THANX ...and BE SAFE EVERYONE!!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShhhRumi79]
#25367913 - 08/05/18 09:49 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never used B.caapi myself, so I have no first hand experience..
But caapi is a lot less potent than rue, per gram.
With rue, 2 to 3 grams are enough to inhibin mao. With caapi one has to use like 30 to 50 grams, or even more as some strains seem to be rather weak.
I cannot imagine stuffing 50g in capsuls and then swallow these. A tea /brew is the common method with caapi.
Maybe one can brew a potent caapi tea with, say 150g (two to four doses at once), then reduce this (well filtered!) tea down to a tar like resin and stuff this resin into capsuls. This would be at least less material to deal with. I know that caapi resins are possible, and some people (members of the shroomery) made some themselves already, though.
Just my 2cts.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25367968 - 08/05/18 10:17 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dose anyone here mess with black pepper tea as an maoi
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Suckmyrick]
#25471687 - 09/19/18 12:13 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wsup guys? Anything new?
I was thinking about this thread for sometime and thought about getting it in the first page again.
Would also love to hear more reports and info.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe]
#25471750 - 09/19/18 01:01 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been microdosing rue/caapi tincture pretty regularly, not in particularly noticeable doses but I've still felt some improvements. Been thinking about upping the dosage with some isolated harmine/harmaline
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
#25940941 - 04/18/19 03:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm probably going to try out rue for the first time. I loved reading this thread and had to bump it. Any new experiences?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ColourSoul] 1
#25972422 - 05/04/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi, hope it's OK to bump this older thread. Could I please get some last minute feedback from someone more experienced with psilohuasca than me? Long story short, it takes me a lot more shrooms to trip than it does other people (did fifteen dried grams last time = maaaaaybe a level three experience ). Tonight I'm planning on taking ~170 mg of harmala alkaloids with nine grams of mushrooms, but I'm not sure, since I have no experience with harmalas.
I have heard that harmalas either do not potentiate the mushrooms, but make it waaay more introspective and deep, OR they DO potentiate the mushrooms by a factor of two or more. I would generally rather have a trip that is a little more intense than one that's underwhelming, but even I don't know if I could handle something that felt like close to thirty grams of mushrooms, haha, so I'm not sure. Plus not a lot of people seem to have this kind of weird biochemistry that requires me to use way more.
Any ideas? I'd really appreciate them—thank you, friends.
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I have taken ten grams of mushrooms with 150 grams b caapi, and it was way to strong. Way way way too strong. I later took 100 g caapi with 14 g, which was incredibly strong I'd say roughly twice as strong would be decent however
I have had other people try 100 g caapi and 1 g mushrooms, and say it was at least twice as strong.
I am not sure on the math there I'm really sorry! I tend to overkill it on the harmalas,all that really happens is a super intense forgettable trip and nausea, except you're planning on using straight harmalas instead of plant matter, so not as much nausea
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I'm curious how this turned out. 
Please report back. 9g + harmalas is a lot. Though I don't know how sensitive you are to harmalas. If you need such big ammounts of most drugs then chances are high that you might also need more harmalas. But I don't know.. Interested in how it did affect you.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#25975404 - 05/06/19 09:56 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does anyone here have experience with preextracted harmala alkaloids rather than the seeds? What brands would be the best for this purpose?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Corundum]
#25975451 - 05/06/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I only use pure harmala alkaloids. No nausea and easy meassuring. I extract them myself, though they are sold openly via interenet. Don't buy 1:10 or 1:30 extracts, look for "isolated harmala HCl". Pretty expensive, like 15 to 20 bucks per gram. When you extract them yourself it's like 2 to 3 bucks per gram.
See the link in my signature for extraction tek.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#26333609 - 11/20/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone is using caapi with shrooms ? i've read the post and most of you are using other substances..
i've used both caapi and rue but it's like rue is not working well everytime. And i prefer caapi for the purge.. there is nothing like a good purge ! So when i read that there was no nausea.. well me i prefer nausea and vomiting, i like the process of the purge.
I've used 100g caapi (an extract in fact) with 2g dried cubensis and some acacias confusa (don't remember the dose it's quite a long time now..) But that was not as strong as 5.5 dried grams of cubensis which takes me to level 5. On another side, i could purge.
I wanted to know your receipe with caapi.. and more important the time you leave before drinking caapi and eating shrooms - i don't remember well it's long ago, i think it was 40 minutes but not sure.. (I never do tea with shrooms, it cuts the duration of the trip in half for me)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Shakuna]
#27098668 - 12/20/20 02:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi
I hope there is someone still reading this thread.
I'm planing to take psilohuasca tonight and i have a question about.. Is there nausea/vomiting present 2 like in ayahuasca?
I have b. caapi 1:40 extract btw
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: wikeland]
#27099094 - 12/20/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hard to know for sure. Do you have nausea with mushroom only experiences? Do you have nausea with caapi only experiences (I strongly recommend doing some MAOi-only experimentation first)?
I'd still work to limit the possibility of nausea with psilohuasca. First, I try to follow, for at least a few days, a minimal tyramine diet. Ideally, I fast for a day or so before and day or two after consuming the MAOi. Second, I'm a big believer in teas for psilohuasca. Not having to digest mush helps me.
I've never had actual caapi, but I'm experienced with rue, isolated harmalas (all three of them!), and ridiculously large quantities of currant extract. The only time I had nausea was with the currant extract (clearly the weakest MAOi) AND ate a bunch of woodlovers. I also was less careful with diet and my 3 mushroom and tofu soap with soy sauce was prolly not tyramine-light food.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: LeafRaker]
#27099394 - 12/20/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Harmalas are purgatives, they will cause nausea/vomiting regardless of the precautions you take, if taken in a high enough dosage. Mushrooms also can cause nausea or the purge, ime, but i have a sensitive stomach. The best way to try for a non-purgative trip, is to take 2.5 to 3 grams of Rue, or a near-about equivalent of Caapi, though Caapi is considered to be a weaker purgative than Rue but with a high enough dosage can still make you purge, and perhaps make the mushrooms into a tea, as i've heard the chitin or what not from the mushroom material can lead to nausea. So if you use a low to moderate dosage of Harmalas/Rue/Caapi, and make a tea from the mushrooms, you likely won't vomit.
Even if you don't vomit though, it's not that bad, sure i hate to vomit, but sometimes you've just gotta, and it's over and done with relatively quickly. Just be sure to have a bucket nearby within arms reach, in case you feel the need.
As for what LeafRaker said about the Tyramine and fasting/avoiding foods, don't really need to do that, some do that just in case but it's not really necessary, i never diet or avoid any foods and Harmalas are RIMA's so they don't really interact with Tyramine. With that said though, it's best, for the most part, to not eat anything a few hours before consuming this stuff, so that everything gets digested and absorbed properly.
Ime, the purgative has to do with the Harmalas themselves, whatever effect they have that causes nausea/vomiting, even in pure form, as well as one's gut microbiome. Harmalas are anti-microbial and can kill off bad microbes in the gut, that may be some of the sickness. I've found that good probiotics can help with the nausea and reduce vomiting with Harmalas. I've also found that using a pure terpene called Limonene at like 8 to 10 drops, with the Harmalas, can block out the nausea/vomiting. I can't remember if it does it right off the bat, but Limonene is the only thing i've come across that can effectively block out the nausea/vomiting from the Harmalas, anything else i've tried never really worked, for me anyways.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#27099440 - 12/20/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry if this has been asked before but what is the reason to do psilohuasca other than increasing the intensity? Does it lead to better quality of trip or does it just increase intensity that could have been gained with a higher dose? For me there is little point in saving a gram of mushrooms here and there and putting myself at risk of getting a blood pressure spike or some other adverse physical effects.
So long story short: what's better about it?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: LittleBoard] 2
#27099461 - 12/20/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a blend of mushrooms and ayahuasca. The shrooms does not only get potentiated (up to 3x) and prolonged (up to 12 hours trip), it gets a totally different feel, almost like a new drug. It feels very close to ayahuasca this way.
To me it feels as if the harmalas activate the dmt part of the psilocin (which is 4-ho-dmt), and add these effects ontop of the regular shroom effects. So the experiece gets way deeper & richer in effects, which cannot be achieved by eating more shrooms. There is more to it due to the harmalas.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: LittleBoard] 1
#27099485 - 12/20/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it adds dimension(s) to the experience that are distinct from just taking more mush. The MAOi has its own psychoactive properties, it is more aggressive and direct than mush alone and really doesn't seem to be a simple multiplier to me, though there's clearly some synergy, and a corresponding reduced need for mush.
The caapi is considered The Teacher in Aya. Jim Fadiman talks about Aya telling you stuff, in a way lucy or mush don't, and my experiences with psilohuasca have always had the quality of being taught things more directly than with mush alone.
I find psilohuasca very helpful and healing, but I always recommend caution with MAOi usage. I think if you don't want to put the effort in being careful, sticking with straight mush is the wise way to go, it's much more forgiving.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: LeafRaker]
#27099736 - 12/20/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had a gram of harmaline HCL sitting around for almost a year now.. I've been a bit scared to try psilohuasca or oral dmt so I have yet to experience it yet but, man, it really does sound special.. The only thing stopping me is myself; I really don't have a particular reason to avoid it. Thanks for sharing y'alls experiences, I think I will commit this winter.
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Psicomvb said: I've had a gram of harmaline HCL sitting around for almost a year now.. I've been a bit scared to try psilohuasca or oral dmt so I have yet to experience it yet but, man, it really does sound special.. The only thing stopping me is myself; I really don't have a particular reason to avoid it. Thanks for sharing y'alls experiences, I think I will commit this winter.
Psilohuasca is definitely worthy of a try, it's not as intense ime as oral DMT, but it's still quite powerful. It's more relaxed and gentler imo, compared to oral DMT. Just start a bit low on the mushroom side, say 2 grams, and if you feel like it try adding 3 to 4.5 grams of Lemon Balm leaf tea and drink it with the mushrooms, it'll smooth out and relax the come up, so that'll help make for a gentler transition. You can also try sipping on mushroom tea over about 10 to 15 to 20 minutes, and that'll also help smooth out the come up.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: LeafRaker]
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LeafRaker said: Hard to know for sure. Do you have nausea with mushroom only experiences? Do you have nausea with caapi only experiences (I strongly recommend doing some MAOi-only experimentation first)?
I'd still work to limit the possibility of nausea with psilohuasca. First, I try to follow, for at least a few days, a minimal tyramine diet. Ideally, I fast for a day or so before and day or two after consuming the MAOi. Second, I'm a big believer in teas for psilohuasca. Not having to digest mush helps me.
I've never had actual caapi, but I'm experienced with rue, isolated harmalas (all three of them!), and ridiculously large quantities of currant extract. The only time I had nausea was with the currant extract (clearly the weakest MAOi) AND ate a bunch of woodlovers. I also was less careful with diet and my 3 mushroom and tofu soap with soy sauce was prolly not tyramine-light food.
Have a bucket ready, just in case!
thanks for answer.. i skipped this weekend i had a feeling i didn't research enough about psilohuasca.. i don't have any experience on MAOIs.. only experience i have on MAOIs is failed attempt of ayahuasca (vomited 2 soon).. i don't get any nausea on mushrooms alone even on 10g.. i'll try psilohuasca on christmas eve (i think with added energy of christmas it will be magical)
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Make sure to ingest the harmalas /rue 30 to 45 min before eating the shrooms. By then gut-mao is fully inhibited.
I never ate raw rue seeds. I have pure harmalas on hand, see the extraction TEK in my signature. It's pretty easy to do and all you need is rue, water, white vinegar and washing-soda (sodiumcarbonate). But it's quite time consuming. Filtering the brew till it runs well through a coffeefilter is a pain in the ass. I recently had great success cleaning the brew with an egg-white, though. Stirr two egg-whites into the cold brew & slowly heat it. The egg will thicken /curdle and bind all the dirt. Then filter out the egg with a cloth. Done. Took me 30min to get the brew crystal clear, instead of filtering a whole day..  With pure harmalas, 120 to 150mg in a small capsule is all you need to boost the magic. No nausea for me this way.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: oontribe] 1
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I ordered some Syrian Rue seeds months ago. I tried smoking it alone and with cannabis. Had a mix of speedy and sedated effects. Last weekend, I did 4.5 grams of shrooms and meant to try the Syrian rue at the peak, but I forgot to! At hour 5, past most of the waves, I remembered and smoked two deep hits of the powdered seeds. BTW, if you are wondering, the taste was not bad and it was less harsh than weed on the lungs. I felt a change almost immediately and laid down again. I started having increased CEV's, but they were different than psilocybin alone. More mechanical, geometric forms getting built, not much color, and then that hard to describe feeling of something ancient. This led to thoughts about (experiences with? nah) family members lost over the years and then into intense issues about my father that apparently I had to confront, sobbing with joy as I felt that I understood him better than before.
Very interesting. Will have to try with a peak psilocybin experience sometime.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Neurotech]
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Are you smoking straight seeds or extract?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Neurotech]
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Neurotech said: I ordered some Syrian Rue seeds months ago. I tried smoking it alone and with cannabis. Had a mix of speedy and sedated effects. Last weekend, I did 4.5 grams of shrooms and meant to try the Syrian rue at the peak, but I forgot to! At hour 5, past most of the waves, I remembered and smoked two deep hits of the powdered seeds. BTW, if you are wondering, the taste was not bad and it was less harsh than weed on the lungs. I felt a change almost immediately and laid down again. I started having increased CEV's, but they were different than psilocybin alone. More mechanical, geometric forms getting built, not much color, and then that hard to describe feeling of something ancient. This led to thoughts about (experiences with? nah) family members lost over the years and then into intense issues about my father that apparently I had to confront, sobbing with joy as I felt that I understood him better than before.
Very interesting. Will have to try with a peak psilocybin experience sometime.
Yeah one time me and my gf took some 4-ACO-DMT and Lemon Balm tea, and about an hour or two into it i went outside to smoke a bowl of Cannabis and also had a pipe of Rue seeds which i smoked, and even the smoked Rue turned the 4-ACO into a Psilohuasca experience, it was a little different, more heady rather than full bodied which is the same thing i noticed about Changa compared to oral Aya, but aside from that i definitely got the same kind of experience out of it. Awesome that even smoking the Rue can add benefits.
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I have also noticed that when smoking rue there is no need for an extract. Smoking plain seeds works like a charm. 
Add a pinch of rue seeds to your weed bowl or your joint, and be floored for hours. I have made myself ultra stoned this way many times. 
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seldom seen said: Are you smoking straight seeds or extract?
Straight seeds. I tried the recommended way of toasting in a pan and then using a blender to seperate the center from the shell, but it just made a powder. Smokes well, just need to break it up in the bowl between hits.
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#27368864 - 06/30/21 12:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am not a fan of smoking harmalas. Smoked syrian rue seeds make my chest very tight, the time I sprinkled some extract on some weed it felt like my heart was in a vice and I genuinely thought there was a good chance I was going to have a heart attack.
I recently smoked some 3-2-1(herb-dmt-harmalas) changa and remembered how much I don't like smoked harmalas, same uncomfortable chest tightness, I stopped smoking before I really got into the trip due to the uncomfortability.
It may work as a good booster but for me its not worth the sensation and risk, or at least the perception of risk. I plan to just stick to oral harmalas as much as possible.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Abyssinian]
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Can anyone speak to taking Rue with Prozac? I'm fully aware of the dangers with NON-rmaoi, but how about reversible maoi? Prozac has a crazy long half-life, so Im not sure of it's safety?
Would 250mg of extract do any harm?
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pinehurst said: Can anyone speak to taking Rue with Prozac? I'm fully aware of the dangers with NON-rmaoi, but how about reversible maoi? Prozac has a crazy long half-life, so Im not sure of it's safety?
Would 250mg of extract do any harm?
All MAO-A inhibitors will interact with SSRI's, although i would say that reversible MAO-A inhibitors are likely a little safer than irreversible MAO-A inhibitors, but none the less, MAO-A inhibition in general raises Serotonin, and that on top of an SSRI could cause excess Serotonin levels and potentially Serotonin Syndrome. Idk if there's a degree to which they could be safely mixed or what not, there are some studies indicating that Moclobemide and certain SSRI's can be mixed safely, but to what extent idk. I do not advise taking Rue while on an SSRI, if you feel like you want to, i would strongly suggest you talk to a doctor beforehand, otherwise it's at your own risk.
Imo, i would recommend trying to ween off of the SSRI and try out Harmalas (Rue, Caapi, pure Harmine, THH), or even Moclobemide if you can get it, as an anti-depressant.
As for smoking Rue on top of an SSRI, that may be able to be done, i know a lot of people would still recommend caution, but if you decide to test that out i would say take a puff of the Rue smoke, wait a few minutes or so to see if anything happens, if nothing happens take another toke, and go from there. Just be careful none the less, probably relatively safe to smoke the Rue, especially compared to taking it orally while on an SSRI, but safety is priority number 1.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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All MAO-A inhibitors will interact with SSRI's, although i would say that reversible MAO-A inhibitors are likely a little safer than irreversible MAO-A inhibitors, but none the less, MAO-A inhibition in general raises Serotonin, and that on top of an SSRI could cause excess Serotonin levels and potentially Serotonin Syndrome. Idk if there's a degree to which they could be safely mixed or what not, there are some studies indicating that Moclobemide and certain SSRI's can be mixed safely, but to what extent idk. I do not advise taking Rue while on an SSRI, if you feel like you want to, i would strongly suggest you talk to a doctor beforehand, otherwise it's at your own risk.
Imo, i would recommend trying to ween off of the SSRI and try out Harmalas (Rue, Caapi, pure Harmine, THH), or even Moclobemide if you can get it, as an anti-depressant.
As for smoking Rue on top of an SSRI, that may be able to be done, i know a lot of people would still recommend caution, but if you decide to test that out i would say take a puff of the Rue smoke, wait a few minutes or so to see if anything happens, if nothing happens take another toke, and go from there. Just be careful none the less, probably relatively safe to smoke the Rue, especially compared to taking it orally while on an SSRI, but safety is priority number 1.
Thanks for the reply. The wife takes prozac, which like I said has a fucking insane half-life.
The half-life of MY SNRI is like 6hrs, so 3 days and I'm good to go, if my dumbass understands this properly.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pinehurst]
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hi, i am new to this thread and i was wondering how much to take harmala extract and is it true it activates dmt side of shrooms?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pesa] 2
#27402467 - 07/26/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it sais harmala alkaloid HCl 99%, then it's pure alkaloids (usually a yellow/golden powder).
Take 150mg of that in a capsule, then 30 to 45 min later the mushrooms, preferable as tea or lemon tek.
To me, yeah, it feels as if the harmalas activate the dmt-part of the shroom molecule (psilocin is 4-ho-dmt), and add these effects ontop of the regular psilocin effects. So it might feel a lot stronger. 3g can feel like 5 or more. And for most people it also extends the duration noticably. For me, my trips get a lot longer with harmalas. 5h in it still kicks like when I just started peaking. 8h after consumption I start to come down, the hole trip is extended to like 10 hours.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said: If it sais harmala alkaloid HCl 99%, then it's pure alkaloids (usually a yellow/golden powder).
Take 150mg of that in a capsule, then 30 to 45 min later the mushrooms, preferable as tea or lemon tek.
To me, yeah, it feels as if the harmalas activate the dmt-part of the shroom molecule (psilocin is 4-ho-dmt), and add these effects ontop of the regular psilocin effects. So it might feel a lot stronger. 3g can feel like 5 or more. And for most people it also extends the duration noticably. For me, my trips get a lot longer with harmalas. 5h in it still kicks like when I just started peaking. 8h after consumption I start to come down, the hole trip is extended to like 10 hours.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pesa]
#27798445 - 05/29/22 10:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yo quick bump on the psilohuasca thread.
I have a question regarding the dosage/effects of dosing Syrian rue on the higher end compared to mushrooms. See I took 2.1g Amazonians along with 4.5g rue, in order to make sure I felt what the rue brought to the table, and the trip was super dark(seeing ghosts and shadow people, wanting to die but realizing not even suicide could stop this trip, as I would just join the other ghosts).
So my question, could this be due to the serotonin antagonism of the rue?
I have seen others commenting that Syrian rue brings darkness/negativity to trips, but I theorize that it is merely a function of dosage, as after the rue wore off(about T+5h) I was fine, and the negative start contrasted with an AMAZING body high that has since turned into the best afterglow I've had in years.
I intend to test my hypothesis, but am unsure which substance to bump. I could either dose higher on the rue(5.5g, my favorite dose with rue), or higher on the shrooms(maybe an eighth), as nausea was not a problem at all during the trip. In fact I actually tried puking because of the intensity but couldn't.
There is one other thing, and that is I'm using shrooms I got from a friend that are pretty whack to be honest(3.8g barely shifted my thought patterns, and took over 3 hours to feel something), plus they don't even have that mushroom smell, they smell more like tobacco. The Syrian rue did potentiate the shrooms a lot, but it could just be shitty shrooms to start with.. What do yall think?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShiroiTora] 1
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I just wanna say, i don't get this "darkness" that some people say they get from Rue, Rue has been very sacred, very teaching, very special, and quite medicinal, there's nothing dark about it ime, and i dose it very regularly. I think the dark stuff just comes from people's minds, try some good music with headphones and see what comes of that. Also you can try adding like 2 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm to the Rue to clean up the bodyload and make things smoother. I think the only time i've given Rue to where they had anything bad to say about it, was when an old friend said it felt like i had poisoned him lol, but i think that was just the combination of the Harmalas and the DMT and him not knowing what he was really getting into lol. Everyone else have for the most part enjoyed themselves.
Try getting into some slight/light roasting of the Rue seed, where it starts to turn a bit lighter brown in color and smells a little roasty, and add 2 grams of that to 2 grams of raw Rue, and brew it together, see what you think of that, or try 3 grams of raw and 1 to 1.5 grams of roasted. Play around with the ratio of Harmine to Harmaline. See what you think then.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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The rue to me is also very sacred/teaching, and I must say I haven't combined it with something that resulted in such darkness before, so it might well be the bunk shrooms.
I have taken Syrian rue a few times(between 20-30)on its own or in combination with weed(cannahuasca as I nicknamed it) between 4-7g usually, and doing it like that I haven't had a bad time once. That being said I do feel the distinct serotonin antagonism every time, in that it is hard to consistently dose(literally anti-addictive) and also the feeling of it kicking in is almost the exact opposite of the relaxation that accompanies opiates like kratom(which I understand is due to serotonin release), which I would describe as an electric wakefulness. The shrooms might have also highlighted that aspect of the rue.
I am growing lemon balm at the moment, just waiting for a harvest so I can try it out, but it is slow going as I live in an apartment. Also I do roast the seeds lightly before grinding, as that is the only way to get the seeds into fine powder. I then do 2-3 extractions and reduce into a tea, which I prefer, as when I take the powdered caps it feels like I only get the nausea and barely any psychoactive effects from the rue. I do want to try the dark roast you posted about previously, especially in combination with the shrooms, but I need at least 10g of rue before feeling the dark roast, so I'll do that when I have a lot of seeds on hand.
The music is a great recommendation, I actually noted a lot more audio hallucinations this time, I think I could pair it with an instrument like the drum, or dancing to get a trance going. I literally could not sit still for a single second so having something to do would be great.
So how does a higher harmala dosage affect your trips Sabnock?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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damn Sabnock... i got lemon balm all over my place, sounds like i should toss a handful of fresh leaves in my shroom tea.
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Definitely, although better to weigh it using a gram scale if you got one, 3 to 4 grams, any more than that and you might dull things down a bit, since it is GABAergic, personally i haven't ever needed over 4.5 grams.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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i never would have realized tripping requires so much science...
one question, i didn't drink beer yesterday until 4 hours i had the harmaline, when is it okay to drink beer/alcohol (after ingestion) and what bad can it do?
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Sabnock said: I just wanna say, i don't get this "darkness" that some people say they get from Rue, Rue has been very sacred, very teaching, very special, and quite medicinal, there's nothing dark about it ime, and i dose it very regularly.
same, I have a great relationship with rue + shrooms. it invariably instills a lot of wisdom, makes the trips far more 'contemplative' for me; even if it gets very intense, everything seems to fit harmoniously in the end. probably my favorite combination.
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i did 200mg of the amazon harmaline with 3 grams of homegrown aborts yesterday (after dosing 49 fresh grams, plus 1+ dried gram to round it up, on last friday).
my CEV are typically mild, i always have a hard time to focus and things can go fast, but now i get it better. even with my eyes closed, you need to close an extra set of lids.
i have a really hard time focusing on what's going on but yesterday, if someone else had experienced what i did, they might've said they'd encountered entities.
i also couldn't really listen to music, i got lost in thoughts too much, accessing 'forgotten" memories, mundane stuff, like the steps to get to the second at my high school.
the peak was kinda short but the tailend was pretty darn good.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
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so i finally got around this pound of wild syrian rue seeds i got. they're dark, maybe i roasted them too much, my wife came in the kitchen alarmed of something burning.
I'm sorry Sabnock, you imparted a lot of knowledge but i'm retarded.
so my question is, as it comes to psilohuasca and potentiation of mushrooms, i can make a tea with 3 grams of rue and drink it 30mins-1hour before i drink my space juice?
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Yes, that's the way to go!
But boil your seeds long. "Tea" is the coret term, but you have to boil the 3g of seeds for at least 45 min. Simmering for a couple of minutes is too short I guess.
Then strain the seeds out and drink the liquid. Wait 30min then take your shrooms. 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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i can do that easy peasy, thanks a bunch!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
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For rue consumptions basically there are 6 ways.
1. is grinding 3 gr raw rue and consume as it is. If you are not female there wll be no uterus contraction and if you have no nause this is my preferred way. 2. Roasting 1.5 gr raw rue adviced by Sabnock that is by roasting you eliminate harmaline content? and consume it with non roasted 1.5 gr with total 3 gr. 3. preparing rue tea with whole seeds 4. preparing rue tea with grinded seeds 5. extraction full spectrum with basifying only 6. further extraction of 5 with manske
I want to ask what is your favourite way to consume rue ? and second has anyone tried putting 50 gr grinded seeds in 1 liter jar,with some %5 vinegar and water, then pressure cook the jar with 15 psi 10 minutes? Because cooking for 40 minutes is somewhat time consuming and feel like not extracting to much goodies and leaving good amount of uv floresence material if you use whole seeds for tea making.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
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My favorite way to consume rue is by making tea of the whole seeds. Usually what I'll do is take about an ounce and make 1L worth of tea with it over 4 pulls, using just over 500ml water simmering for 20 min every time, filtering(just a classic old french press) and boiling off the excess at the end. At this concentration one wine glass(~260ml) is enough for noticeable intoxication. I take this as an antidepressant when things are really going rough, it optimizes for taste/how-much-can-I-get-in-me-before-puking ratio. Also drink rue as cold as you can possibly manage, it has a nice misty texture that way.
If however you are interested in accurate dosage before a aya- or psilohuasca I would suggest lightly roasting the seeds and grinding them, then making the tea with the ground seeds, as it will only require one pull. Also harmaline inhibits its own metabolism very well, so taking another extract of rue about 2 hours before the main one(especially with DMT) is beneficial in ensuring a powerful experience(think of it as "pre-inhibiting").
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28315810 - 05/11/23 01:28 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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barisk22 said: For rue consumptions basically there are 6 ways.
1. is grinding 3 gr raw rue and consume as it is. If you are not female there wll be no uterus contraction and if you have no nause this is my preferred way. 2. Roasting 1.5 gr raw rue adviced by Sabnock that is by roasting you eliminate harmaline content? and consume it with non roasted 1.5 gr with total 3 gr. 3. preparing rue tea with whole seeds 4. preparing rue tea with grinded seeds 5. extraction full spectrum with basifying only 6. further extraction of 5 with manske
I want to ask what is your favourite way to consume rue ? and second has anyone tried putting 50 gr grinded seeds in 1 liter jar,with some %5 vinegar and water, then pressure cook the jar with 15 psi 10 minutes? Because cooking for 40 minutes is somewhat time consuming and feel like not extracting to much goodies and leaving good amount of uv floresence material if you use whole seeds for tea making.
Thanks,
I usually just encapsulate the raw Rue seed powder because i like raw Rue the best, the powder capsules can be a bit rough on the stomach and the smell while filling up the capsules makes me gag, i find it to be the better way.
Also roasting Rue can be nice for sure but idk i just vibe more with the raw Rue, feels like it has more going on and personally i'm a fan of Harmaline, but i will say my last Psilohuasca experience using 2.5 grams of light roasted Rue was amazing and my best Psilohuasca experience yet but i've only had a handful so far. But you can certainly mix raw and roasted Rue, i actually found it interesting because i can balance out the Harmaline to Harmine ratio that way, the only thing i don't like about roasting Rue is that it feels like it converts some of the background compounds or perhaps even some of the possible proteins in the seed into other compounds which gives things this like "higher grade" feeling almost, which i don't exactly like but it is interesting to experience and feel. Overall though i would probably recommend the raw seed first, before getting involved in roasting.
For teas you'll definitely want to use whole seed because powdered seed makes things harder to filter and leaves finer particles which can't be filtered out, whole seed boils up just fine ime. The only thing i don't like about the tea is the taste, which the roasted seed had a more palatable taste and the raw/roasted was a bit more palatable than the raw tea, but i do tend to have a bit of a sensitive palate and so as far as Rue goes i really tend to prefer capsules.
As far as extracts go, full spectrum is definitely where it's at, ime/imo, the manske'd Harmalas just feel "too clean/isolated" for my taste, i mean the manske'd extract will certainly get the job done but the other compounds in the full spectrum gives things a better overall feel ime. As far as extracts vs the plant goes though, i prefer and recommend the plant over extracts, but as far as extracts go, full spectrum is where it's at, or even better, a truly full spectrum residue/paste of the plant by evaporating a dose of brew down and consuming the tarry residue although i haven't personally done that but i imagine that it'd be better than consuming the seed powder and better than consuming the tea.
As for your last question, idk, i've never used a pressure cooker for this, i just boil, i know it can be time consuming but just when you have a few hours of free time brew up some Rue, you can still do other things while brewing but definitely check/keep an eye on it every so often, like every few minutes, because it can definitely overboil or burn if you don't keep an eye on it.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#28315858 - 05/11/23 02:14 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thank you for your comments dear Sabnock. I was fan of raw rue I was just grinding it and just sip it with water to get most of it. Just one day I use 5.5 grams, because I use 3 grams with my new grinder and I thought seeds are not perfecly grinded, then I grinded 2.5 more drink with water, wash the remnant and drink again. It was hard trip because feel different and eating shrooms was difficult because of motion activated weirdness. But I managed to eat 2+3+2 grams shroomies one hour apart. After shrooms are in the system trip get really weird, I saw a lot of tracers and hear voices people talking and I can understand them. I tuned in a channel that I hear and saw some past events occur in that area. Because of shrooms are taken apart, I feel like different reality becomes different vaping dmt breaktrough on shrooms.
Then I try to not get over 3 grams but 5.5 was amazing. But then I tried extract but they are not the same because of harmine convertion? I don't know...
1. I want to try 2 gr raw,1 Gr light roasted and 1.5 gr dark roasted taken 1 hour before. Second thing I realized if I use 5.5 gram and after not waiting for 1 hour for shrooms it will be better, because shrooms soften the rue effect.
Because of this another thing is want to try is
2.to take 1.5 Gr raw rue for gut inhibition after 1 hour ingest 7 Gr shroom then 4 grams raw rue again to combat weirdness of rue.
What is your opinion ?
Thanks,
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28332781 - 05/24/23 03:01 PM (8 months, 18 hours ago) |
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how often is too often for reverse tolerance to occur? last week i did 4 grams rue (3/4 dark roast, 1/4 raw) and 4.5 grams of cubes, should i try to avoid doing it weekly?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#28334402 - 05/25/23 04:08 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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orphee said: how often is too often for reverse tolerance to occur? last week i did 4 grams rue (3/4 dark roast, 1/4 raw) and 4.5 grams of cubes, should i try to avoid doing it weekly?
From what i'm to understand a few times a week keeps the reverse tolerance going, maybe even twice a week, but once a week may not. I think generally it's the first few days after a dose, if you go any longer after that the reverse tolerance may not be there or at least may not be as strong.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28334415 - 05/25/23 04:15 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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barisk22 said: Thank you for your comments dear Sabnock. I was fan of raw rue I was just grinding it and just sip it with water to get most of it. Just one day I use 5.5 grams, because I use 3 grams with my new grinder and I thought seeds are not perfecly grinded, then I grinded 2.5 more drink with water, wash the remnant and drink again. It was hard trip because feel different and eating shrooms was difficult because of motion activated weirdness. But I managed to eat 2+3+2 grams shroomies one hour apart. After shrooms are in the system trip get really weird, I saw a lot of tracers and hear voices people talking and I can understand them. I tuned in a channel that I hear and saw some past events occur in that area. Because of shrooms are taken apart, I feel like different reality becomes different vaping dmt breaktrough on shrooms.
Then I try to not get over 3 grams but 5.5 was amazing. But then I tried extract but they are not the same because of harmine convertion? I don't know...
1. I want to try 2 gr raw,1 Gr light roasted and 1.5 gr dark roasted taken 1 hour before. Second thing I realized if I use 5.5 gram and after not waiting for 1 hour for shrooms it will be better, because shrooms soften the rue effect.
Because of this another thing is want to try is
2.to take 1.5 Gr raw rue for gut inhibition after 1 hour ingest 7 Gr shroom then 4 grams raw rue again to combat weirdness of rue.
What is your opinion ?
Thanks,
I say just go with your gut and experiment around, find the dosages and timing for you. Especially for Psilocin one can really experiment with the time frame of things because Psilocin doesn't rely on MAO-A inhibition to be orally active unlike DMT, with DMT pretty much have no choice but to take it within a certain time, but Psilocin can technically be taken whenever but for proper potentiation you'll still want to consume the Psilocin when gut MAO-A inhibition is active.
Although do be careful with the dosages because 4 grams of raw Rue with 7 grams of mushrooms is likely to be quite the ride, especially an hour into 1.5 grams of raw Rue, which idk if the 1.5 grams will be enough to impact MAO-A that much, but then taking 4 grams of Rue with 7 grams of mushrooms you're looking at a pretty intense ride i'd say, closer to 14 grams of mushrooms at least.
As for mixing the different Rue's together, it's basically about finding balance and synergy between the compounds/roasts, i haven't experimented that much with mixing them together but i did like mixing the raw and light roast together, with the light roast being dominant and the raw being secondary and providing the Harmaline, that way the Harmine and Harmaline are more balanced with Harmine being the dominant compound and Harmaline being either alongside it or just underneath it. I really felt no need to add dark roast into the mix though, but if you try it lmk how it goes, that'd be an interesting mix i bet.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#28335641 - 05/26/23 02:09 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Do you have to not eat something in particular before you drink the harmalas? I have heard this can have side effects if you don't take the proper precautions. What precautionary measures would you recommend?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28335762 - 05/26/23 03:35 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: Do you have to not eat something in particular before you drink the harmalas? I have heard this can have side effects if you don't take the proper precautions. What precautionary measures would you recommend?
Naw, there's no dietary interactions with Harmalas, and i've personally never abstained from any kind of food and have eaten plenty of different foods while on stiff doses of Harmalas and with gut MAO-A fully inhibited, never had any issues, i also haven't had any issues with Moclobemide. Harmalas and Moclobemide are reversible and selective MAO-A inhibitors, which is a certain class of MAOI, the kind of MAOI's that do require dietary restrictions are called irreversible MAOI's, usually non-selective as well (non-selective meaning they inhibit MAO-A and MAO-B, while selective means it only inhibits MAO-A or MAO-B but not both), and the issue with those is that because they're irreversible inhibitors, they knock out the MAO enzyme(s), usually both, for approx 2 weeks until MAO can regenerate itself, so Tyramine can build up to levels which can potentially cause a hypertensive crisis, whereas with the reversible inhibitors they only temporarily/transiently inhibit MAO. But Harmalas and Moclobemide are both reversible and selective MAO-A inhibitors meaning they only inhibit MAO-A (and not MAO-B) and they only inhibit gut MAO-A for approx two hours, after which gut MAO-A goes back to normal, plus Tyramine can be broken down by MAO-B while MAO-A is inhibited, or Tyramine can act as a competitive substrate for MAO-A if MAO-B can't handle it all and can displace the reversible MAO-A inhibition.
So basically a Tyramine reaction with Harmalas or Moclobemide is pretty impossible. Some people can experience headaches sometimes from Harmalas and then automatically blame Tyramine even though headaches can be a side-effect of quite a few properties of Harmalas and has nothing to do with Tyramine or diet.
The only thing i'd recommend would be to have an empty stomach and not eat anything like 6 hours beforehand, so that the Huasca is absorbed properly, as food in the stomach can throw off absorption/digestion of the medicine.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock] 3
#28402392 - 07/21/23 01:42 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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Yo quick bump to the psilohuasca thread..
I fucking did it again, psilohuasca down the hatch last night. It took a while to come back to since the last experience was so difficult, but I did a lot of preparation and I think it paid off. I also ditched the dealer shrooms and started growing myself, so this is only the second time I've tripped on my own home grown shrooms. It is for sure a game changer
In terms of specifics for preparation, I made sure I was more familiar with Syrian rue's effects this time round, as the previous time I hadn't done rue in the weeks or even months preceding the trip. I think this was a contributing factor in the confusion and later angst in the first trip because I was expecting mushrooms, and the psilohuasca experience is a whole different animal. This time I made full strength rue tea(~6g) most days in last month, and a few times this month too.
As for dose I went a bit lower, 16g fresh p. Transkei mushrooms and only 3.7g Syrian rue. I could have probably went higher on the mushrooms but it was a one flush harvest from a particularly fast cake that looked ready, I didn't want to ruin yields of other cakes just because I was impatient so I stuck with that.
When it comes to the actual trip itself, I'm glad I followed Sabnock's advice and spread out the dose of the mushrooms this time, not ballz-to-the-wall lemon tek that I chugged like it was koolaid. I had 3 bigger mushrooms and 2 smaller ones, so I made 4 roughly equivalent doses and waited 10 minutes between each after I finished chewing. This prolonged the come-up, and also arranged it into 4 'waves' so I knew what was on the horizon at least. I noticed a liminal stage where it seems while the Syrian rue is peaking, the combo doesn't feel like either mushrooms or rue on its own, this thankfully didn't catch me as off guard as it did last time. This state intrigued me quite a bit, I remember in the trip thinking about something Jonathan Ott wrote about the interaction between receptor agonists and antagonists taken together that produce potentiation beyond that of any other method(this was for opiate receptors, but the same would probably apply to 5HHTin this case). It definitely felt like mainly physiological confusion, with my body not knowing what to do and going through cycles of hot and cold. I had heard others report about this stage as a full body electric buzzing sensation. I think my dose was a bit low to experience buzzing but I did feel that contradictory warm and cold fuzzy feeling in my chest like from just after taking a hit of DMT, only very drawn out.
This phase ended at about T+1.5h(after the last mushroom dose), and was the most "panicky" part of the experience, as my heart rate was pretty much up there for most of it. After that the mushrooms started coming through more and I started having visuals. At some point I had the unique sensation that I'm a skeleton powered by spirit energy or some shit dragging my muscles around which was quite interesting. I took a long ass bath as I always do(or want to do when I can't) on mushrooms, and afterwards at around T+3 I went out for a smoke of the ole devil's cabbage, once I was sure the come-up was over. This kicked the visuals into overdrive, I can not explain how fucking beautiful everything looked, and it has been a while since I have had such multicolored richly detailed and immersive CEVs on anything. It sure was great knowing I grew the lil' boomers that were blowing my mind at that moment.
After that, not much happened, slowly tapered off to the comedown. I was mostly back to baseline at about T+7h, so not that long for psilohuasca, but then again the dose was fairly low and I did wait a full hour after the rue to start eating the mushrooms, and also ate them for about an hour. All in all a wonderful trip with a wonderful afterglow, it was totally worth getting a grow setup going. I hope to report again in the future, until then keep it real shroomerites
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShiroiTora]
#28402408 - 07/21/23 02:52 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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ShiroiTora said: Yo quick bump to the psilohuasca thread..
Sounds like a great one and glad that your homegrown mush really elevated things for you this time around Everything from the bath to the devils cabbage (I laughed on that one, a nice hybrid of devils lettuce and moon cabbage) thanks for the report! I'm very curious about haramalas/psilohuasca, will be doing some research...
 ^artists rendering of you in the spirit skeleton stage.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop] 2
#28403864 - 07/22/23 12:47 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Harmalas are the shit my dude, the genuine article. I highly recommend trying them, especially Syrian rue, its nice all on its own too, and isn't endangered.
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 ^artists rendering of you in the spirit skeleton stage.
Yea pretty accurate
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShiroiTora] 4
#28406846 - 07/24/23 06:03 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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big up to Sabnock.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#28423723 - 08/07/23 01:16 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Hey how does this work if you use the harmalas sublingually instead of orally? Do you still dose the shrooms approximately 45 minutes after sublingual dosing or maybe a little sooner? I have a gram of harmine hcl and lots of shrooms. I want to try both ways but was wondering what a good sublingual dose for psilohuasca is and how the duration differs when done this way. Also what about if I took 100-150mg harmine and later maybe 30-50mg sublingually at the peak of the experience or maybe right before it or do I need more or less than that?. How would taking a sublingual dose near the peak effect the trip? Also, what dose would you suggest for a first timer? I am versed in many psychedelics including ayahuasca but I have taken a few years break from hallucinogens and have only just started taking them again, so even though I'm experienced it has been a while. I was thinking of starting at 1.5 to 2g cubensis and maybe 150-200 mg harmine hcl. Is it better to go higher with the harmalas and lower with the shrooms or lower with the harmalas and higher with the shrooms? For example is it worth it to take 50mg orally to boost shrooms or would that not do anything? Lastly, has anyone tried harmalas via the IV or IM route? I have syringe disk filters... Just curious. Thanks
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: TrKyNcKmSk]
#28586008 - 12/16/23 07:51 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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TrKyNcKmSk said: Hey how does this work if you use the harmalas sublingually instead of orally?
It works good, but the trip was different and shorter than oral rue in my experience. It was more smooth and dreamy as well.
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