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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#27402725 - 07/26/21 11:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: If it sais harmala alkaloid HCl 99%, then it's pure alkaloids (usually a yellow/golden powder).
Take 150mg of that in a capsule, then 30 to 45 min later the mushrooms, preferable as tea or lemon tek.
To me, yeah, it feels as if the harmalas activate the dmt-part of the shroom molecule (psilocin is 4-ho-dmt), and add these effects ontop of the regular psilocin effects. So it might feel a lot stronger. 3g can feel like 5 or more. And for most people it also extends the duration noticably. For me, my trips get a lot longer with harmalas. 5h in it still kicks like when I just started peaking. 8h after consumption I start to come down, the hole trip is extended to like 10 hours.
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what are effects of harmala alkaloid?
nausea vomiting?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: pesa]
#27798445 - 05/29/22 10:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yo quick bump on the psilohuasca thread.
I have a question regarding the dosage/effects of dosing Syrian rue on the higher end compared to mushrooms. See I took 2.1g Amazonians along with 4.5g rue, in order to make sure I felt what the rue brought to the table, and the trip was super dark(seeing ghosts and shadow people, wanting to die but realizing not even suicide could stop this trip, as I would just join the other ghosts).
So my question, could this be due to the serotonin antagonism of the rue?
I have seen others commenting that Syrian rue brings darkness/negativity to trips, but I theorize that it is merely a function of dosage, as after the rue wore off(about T+5h) I was fine, and the negative start contrasted with an AMAZING body high that has since turned into the best afterglow I've had in years.
I intend to test my hypothesis, but am unsure which substance to bump. I could either dose higher on the rue(5.5g, my favorite dose with rue), or higher on the shrooms(maybe an eighth), as nausea was not a problem at all during the trip. In fact I actually tried puking because of the intensity but couldn't.
There is one other thing, and that is I'm using shrooms I got from a friend that are pretty whack to be honest(3.8g barely shifted my thought patterns, and took over 3 hours to feel something), plus they don't even have that mushroom smell, they smell more like tobacco. The Syrian rue did potentiate the shrooms a lot, but it could just be shitty shrooms to start with.. What do yall think?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: ShiroiTora] 1
#27798467 - 05/29/22 11:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I just wanna say, i don't get this "darkness" that some people say they get from Rue, Rue has been very sacred, very teaching, very special, and quite medicinal, there's nothing dark about it ime, and i dose it very regularly. I think the dark stuff just comes from people's minds, try some good music with headphones and see what comes of that. Also you can try adding like 2 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm to the Rue to clean up the bodyload and make things smoother. I think the only time i've given Rue to where they had anything bad to say about it, was when an old friend said it felt like i had poisoned him lol, but i think that was just the combination of the Harmalas and the DMT and him not knowing what he was really getting into lol. Everyone else have for the most part enjoyed themselves.
Try getting into some slight/light roasting of the Rue seed, where it starts to turn a bit lighter brown in color and smells a little roasty, and add 2 grams of that to 2 grams of raw Rue, and brew it together, see what you think of that, or try 3 grams of raw and 1 to 1.5 grams of roasted. Play around with the ratio of Harmine to Harmaline. See what you think then.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#27798492 - 05/30/22 12:44 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The rue to me is also very sacred/teaching, and I must say I haven't combined it with something that resulted in such darkness before, so it might well be the bunk shrooms.
I have taken Syrian rue a few times(between 20-30)on its own or in combination with weed(cannahuasca as I nicknamed it) between 4-7g usually, and doing it like that I haven't had a bad time once. That being said I do feel the distinct serotonin antagonism every time, in that it is hard to consistently dose(literally anti-addictive) and also the feeling of it kicking in is almost the exact opposite of the relaxation that accompanies opiates like kratom(which I understand is due to serotonin release), which I would describe as an electric wakefulness. The shrooms might have also highlighted that aspect of the rue.
I am growing lemon balm at the moment, just waiting for a harvest so I can try it out, but it is slow going as I live in an apartment. Also I do roast the seeds lightly before grinding, as that is the only way to get the seeds into fine powder. I then do 2-3 extractions and reduce into a tea, which I prefer, as when I take the powdered caps it feels like I only get the nausea and barely any psychoactive effects from the rue. I do want to try the dark roast you posted about previously, especially in combination with the shrooms, but I need at least 10g of rue before feeling the dark roast, so I'll do that when I have a lot of seeds on hand.
The music is a great recommendation, I actually noted a lot more audio hallucinations this time, I think I could pair it with an instrument like the drum, or dancing to get a trance going. I literally could not sit still for a single second so having something to do would be great.
So how does a higher harmala dosage affect your trips Sabnock?
Edited by ShiroiTora (05/30/22 01:30 AM)
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#27930608 - 09/02/22 01:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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damn Sabnock... i got lemon balm all over my place, sounds like i should toss a handful of fresh leaves in my shroom tea.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#27930633 - 09/02/22 01:19 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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orphee said: damn Sabnock... i got lemon balm all over my place, sounds like i should toss a handful of fresh leaves in my shroom tea.
Definitely, although better to weigh it using a gram scale if you got one, 3 to 4 grams, any more than that and you might dull things down a bit, since it is GABAergic, personally i haven't ever needed over 4.5 grams.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#27931938 - 09/03/22 09:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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i never would have realized tripping requires so much science...
one question, i didn't drink beer yesterday until 4 hours i had the harmaline, when is it okay to drink beer/alcohol (after ingestion) and what bad can it do?
you try to meditate but all you crave are peanut m&ms.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock] 1
#27933607 - 09/04/22 12:40 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: I just wanna say, i don't get this "darkness" that some people say they get from Rue, Rue has been very sacred, very teaching, very special, and quite medicinal, there's nothing dark about it ime, and i dose it very regularly.
same, I have a great relationship with rue + shrooms. it invariably instills a lot of wisdom, makes the trips far more 'contemplative' for me; even if it gets very intense, everything seems to fit harmoniously in the end. probably my favorite combination.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Mercury17] 1
#28040139 - 11/08/22 12:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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i did 200mg of the amazon harmaline with 3 grams of homegrown aborts yesterday (after dosing 49 fresh grams, plus 1+ dried gram to round it up, on last friday).
my CEV are typically mild, i always have a hard time to focus and things can go fast, but now i get it better. even with my eyes closed, you need to close an extra set of lids.
i have a really hard time focusing on what's going on but yesterday, if someone else had experienced what i did, they might've said they'd encountered entities.
i also couldn't really listen to music, i got lost in thoughts too much, accessing 'forgotten" memories, mundane stuff, like the steps to get to the second at my high school.
the peak was kinda short but the tailend was pretty darn good.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#28289922 - 04/22/23 02:08 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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so i finally got around this pound of wild syrian rue seeds i got. they're dark, maybe i roasted them too much, my wife came in the kitchen alarmed of something burning.
I'm sorry Sabnock, you imparted a lot of knowledge but i'm retarded.
so my question is, as it comes to psilohuasca and potentiation of mushrooms, i can make a tea with 3 grams of rue and drink it 30mins-1hour before i drink my space juice?
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#28290050 - 04/22/23 03:28 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yes, that's the way to go!
But boil your seeds long. "Tea" is the coret term, but you have to boil the 3g of seeds for at least 45 min. Simmering for a couple of minutes is too short I guess.
Then strain the seeds out and drink the liquid. Wait 30min then take your shrooms. 
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
#28290405 - 04/22/23 06:12 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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i can do that easy peasy, thanks a bunch!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#28313785 - 05/10/23 06:55 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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For rue consumptions basically there are 6 ways.
1. is grinding 3 gr raw rue and consume as it is. If you are not female there wll be no uterus contraction and if you have no nause this is my preferred way. 2. Roasting 1.5 gr raw rue adviced by Sabnock that is by roasting you eliminate harmaline content? and consume it with non roasted 1.5 gr with total 3 gr. 3. preparing rue tea with whole seeds 4. preparing rue tea with grinded seeds 5. extraction full spectrum with basifying only 6. further extraction of 5 with manske
I want to ask what is your favourite way to consume rue ? and second has anyone tried putting 50 gr grinded seeds in 1 liter jar,with some %5 vinegar and water, then pressure cook the jar with 15 psi 10 minutes? Because cooking for 40 minutes is somewhat time consuming and feel like not extracting to much goodies and leaving good amount of uv floresence material if you use whole seeds for tea making.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28315185 - 05/11/23 04:07 AM (8 months, 14 days ago) |
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My favorite way to consume rue is by making tea of the whole seeds. Usually what I'll do is take about an ounce and make 1L worth of tea with it over 4 pulls, using just over 500ml water simmering for 20 min every time, filtering(just a classic old french press) and boiling off the excess at the end. At this concentration one wine glass(~260ml) is enough for noticeable intoxication. I take this as an antidepressant when things are really going rough, it optimizes for taste/how-much-can-I-get-in-me-before-puking ratio. Also drink rue as cold as you can possibly manage, it has a nice misty texture that way.
If however you are interested in accurate dosage before a aya- or psilohuasca I would suggest lightly roasting the seeds and grinding them, then making the tea with the ground seeds, as it will only require one pull. Also harmaline inhibits its own metabolism very well, so taking another extract of rue about 2 hours before the main one(especially with DMT) is beneficial in ensuring a powerful experience(think of it as "pre-inhibiting").
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28315810 - 05/11/23 01:28 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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barisk22 said: For rue consumptions basically there are 6 ways.
1. is grinding 3 gr raw rue and consume as it is. If you are not female there wll be no uterus contraction and if you have no nause this is my preferred way. 2. Roasting 1.5 gr raw rue adviced by Sabnock that is by roasting you eliminate harmaline content? and consume it with non roasted 1.5 gr with total 3 gr. 3. preparing rue tea with whole seeds 4. preparing rue tea with grinded seeds 5. extraction full spectrum with basifying only 6. further extraction of 5 with manske
I want to ask what is your favourite way to consume rue ? and second has anyone tried putting 50 gr grinded seeds in 1 liter jar,with some %5 vinegar and water, then pressure cook the jar with 15 psi 10 minutes? Because cooking for 40 minutes is somewhat time consuming and feel like not extracting to much goodies and leaving good amount of uv floresence material if you use whole seeds for tea making.
Thanks,
I usually just encapsulate the raw Rue seed powder because i like raw Rue the best, the powder capsules can be a bit rough on the stomach and the smell while filling up the capsules makes me gag, i find it to be the better way.
Also roasting Rue can be nice for sure but idk i just vibe more with the raw Rue, feels like it has more going on and personally i'm a fan of Harmaline, but i will say my last Psilohuasca experience using 2.5 grams of light roasted Rue was amazing and my best Psilohuasca experience yet but i've only had a handful so far. But you can certainly mix raw and roasted Rue, i actually found it interesting because i can balance out the Harmaline to Harmine ratio that way, the only thing i don't like about roasting Rue is that it feels like it converts some of the background compounds or perhaps even some of the possible proteins in the seed into other compounds which gives things this like "higher grade" feeling almost, which i don't exactly like but it is interesting to experience and feel. Overall though i would probably recommend the raw seed first, before getting involved in roasting.
For teas you'll definitely want to use whole seed because powdered seed makes things harder to filter and leaves finer particles which can't be filtered out, whole seed boils up just fine ime. The only thing i don't like about the tea is the taste, which the roasted seed had a more palatable taste and the raw/roasted was a bit more palatable than the raw tea, but i do tend to have a bit of a sensitive palate and so as far as Rue goes i really tend to prefer capsules.
As far as extracts go, full spectrum is definitely where it's at, ime/imo, the manske'd Harmalas just feel "too clean/isolated" for my taste, i mean the manske'd extract will certainly get the job done but the other compounds in the full spectrum gives things a better overall feel ime. As far as extracts vs the plant goes though, i prefer and recommend the plant over extracts, but as far as extracts go, full spectrum is where it's at, or even better, a truly full spectrum residue/paste of the plant by evaporating a dose of brew down and consuming the tarry residue although i haven't personally done that but i imagine that it'd be better than consuming the seed powder and better than consuming the tea.
As for your last question, idk, i've never used a pressure cooker for this, i just boil, i know it can be time consuming but just when you have a few hours of free time brew up some Rue, you can still do other things while brewing but definitely check/keep an eye on it every so often, like every few minutes, because it can definitely overboil or burn if you don't keep an eye on it.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#28315858 - 05/11/23 02:14 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thank you for your comments dear Sabnock. I was fan of raw rue I was just grinding it and just sip it with water to get most of it. Just one day I use 5.5 grams, because I use 3 grams with my new grinder and I thought seeds are not perfecly grinded, then I grinded 2.5 more drink with water, wash the remnant and drink again. It was hard trip because feel different and eating shrooms was difficult because of motion activated weirdness. But I managed to eat 2+3+2 grams shroomies one hour apart. After shrooms are in the system trip get really weird, I saw a lot of tracers and hear voices people talking and I can understand them. I tuned in a channel that I hear and saw some past events occur in that area. Because of shrooms are taken apart, I feel like different reality becomes different vaping dmt breaktrough on shrooms.
Then I try to not get over 3 grams but 5.5 was amazing. But then I tried extract but they are not the same because of harmine convertion? I don't know...
1. I want to try 2 gr raw,1 Gr light roasted and 1.5 gr dark roasted taken 1 hour before. Second thing I realized if I use 5.5 gram and after not waiting for 1 hour for shrooms it will be better, because shrooms soften the rue effect.
Because of this another thing is want to try is
2.to take 1.5 Gr raw rue for gut inhibition after 1 hour ingest 7 Gr shroom then 4 grams raw rue again to combat weirdness of rue.
What is your opinion ?
Thanks,
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28332781 - 05/24/23 03:01 PM (8 months, 18 hours ago) |
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how often is too often for reverse tolerance to occur? last week i did 4 grams rue (3/4 dark roast, 1/4 raw) and 4.5 grams of cubes, should i try to avoid doing it weekly?
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: orphee]
#28334402 - 05/25/23 04:08 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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orphee said: how often is too often for reverse tolerance to occur? last week i did 4 grams rue (3/4 dark roast, 1/4 raw) and 4.5 grams of cubes, should i try to avoid doing it weekly?
From what i'm to understand a few times a week keeps the reverse tolerance going, maybe even twice a week, but once a week may not. I think generally it's the first few days after a dose, if you go any longer after that the reverse tolerance may not be there or at least may not be as strong.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: barisk22]
#28334415 - 05/25/23 04:15 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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barisk22 said: Thank you for your comments dear Sabnock. I was fan of raw rue I was just grinding it and just sip it with water to get most of it. Just one day I use 5.5 grams, because I use 3 grams with my new grinder and I thought seeds are not perfecly grinded, then I grinded 2.5 more drink with water, wash the remnant and drink again. It was hard trip because feel different and eating shrooms was difficult because of motion activated weirdness. But I managed to eat 2+3+2 grams shroomies one hour apart. After shrooms are in the system trip get really weird, I saw a lot of tracers and hear voices people talking and I can understand them. I tuned in a channel that I hear and saw some past events occur in that area. Because of shrooms are taken apart, I feel like different reality becomes different vaping dmt breaktrough on shrooms.
Then I try to not get over 3 grams but 5.5 was amazing. But then I tried extract but they are not the same because of harmine convertion? I don't know...
1. I want to try 2 gr raw,1 Gr light roasted and 1.5 gr dark roasted taken 1 hour before. Second thing I realized if I use 5.5 gram and after not waiting for 1 hour for shrooms it will be better, because shrooms soften the rue effect.
Because of this another thing is want to try is
2.to take 1.5 Gr raw rue for gut inhibition after 1 hour ingest 7 Gr shroom then 4 grams raw rue again to combat weirdness of rue.
What is your opinion ?
Thanks,
I say just go with your gut and experiment around, find the dosages and timing for you. Especially for Psilocin one can really experiment with the time frame of things because Psilocin doesn't rely on MAO-A inhibition to be orally active unlike DMT, with DMT pretty much have no choice but to take it within a certain time, but Psilocin can technically be taken whenever but for proper potentiation you'll still want to consume the Psilocin when gut MAO-A inhibition is active.
Although do be careful with the dosages because 4 grams of raw Rue with 7 grams of mushrooms is likely to be quite the ride, especially an hour into 1.5 grams of raw Rue, which idk if the 1.5 grams will be enough to impact MAO-A that much, but then taking 4 grams of Rue with 7 grams of mushrooms you're looking at a pretty intense ride i'd say, closer to 14 grams of mushrooms at least.
As for mixing the different Rue's together, it's basically about finding balance and synergy between the compounds/roasts, i haven't experimented that much with mixing them together but i did like mixing the raw and light roast together, with the light roast being dominant and the raw being secondary and providing the Harmaline, that way the Harmine and Harmaline are more balanced with Harmine being the dominant compound and Harmaline being either alongside it or just underneath it. I really felt no need to add dark roast into the mix though, but if you try it lmk how it goes, that'd be an interesting mix i bet.
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
#28335641 - 05/26/23 02:09 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Do you have to not eat something in particular before you drink the harmalas? I have heard this can have side effects if you don't take the proper precautions. What precautionary measures would you recommend?
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