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Zen Peddler
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Eye floaters - a wive's tale?
#2313533 - 02/08/04 01:38 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read on a site recently that eye floaters and vitreous floaters are associated with LSD use. Anyone know anything about this??
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2313545 - 02/08/04 01:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats an eye floater? Your not talking about the normal little wispy floating things that everyone sees in their vision are you?
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2313604 - 02/08/04 02:23 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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there does seem to be a lot of ppl on these boards that have that and no not EVERYONE sees em I have talked to plenty of ppl who have no idea what I'm talkin about
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314162 - 02/08/04 11:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I saw them long before I touched any drugs.
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Yeah floaters are normal...I had them when I was an innocent sober kid. But...they seemed to have increased since I smoke pot...
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I've had the exact same floaters since I was a kid. I can like identify them. I don't know what the fuck they are, but they're harmless and give me something to do when I'm bored and I want people to ask me, "what the hell are you looking at?"
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314191 - 02/08/04 11:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys are a lucky...
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314200 - 02/08/04 11:46 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recently started to see these things. I think it can probably be caused or at lest increased by drugs because I didn't saw them before I started smoking pot.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314223 - 02/08/04 11:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are bacteria and organisms that are on the surface of your eyeball. When you're stoned/tripping etc you're more perceptive to their existence.
This explains why some of you had them when you were innocent sober kids.
It's also been covered many times before...
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314241 - 02/08/04 11:55 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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that website is full of shit, IMO
I too saw them before using any drug - they are most easily visible from my experience while looking up at a nice bright blue sky
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Adden]
#2314258 - 02/08/04 12:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats awesome, i always noticed them when i was a kid (younger). after reading this post i tried looking for them bu t i couldnt.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314362 - 02/08/04 12:30 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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If youre talking about that shit on your eye... i remember getting that as a kid but it has long since stopped.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314399 - 02/08/04 12:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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i noticed them before hand, but it wasnt untill i took diferent hues of consciousness that i apreciated them.
like s2dope said , your more perceptive to their existence when on drugs.
like strumpling said, they are easiet too see when looking at a nice clear blue sky i find that also a technique for making eyesight better called "sunning" makes them obvious as well. and with eyes closed looking towards the sun they light up and beam.
also, using a candel and wetting your eyes with either "tears", or water then squinting and looking at the light, you can make a sort of focusing lens, a microscope. playing around with this you can focus independantly on diferent specs and enlarge them to desired size, although there are limits before your eyes close
ive noticed about 3 extreme diferent "peices" although im sure theres more than that. long stringy ones, and the short round ones are more obvious too me.
ive also noted that they seem to apear when your not looking for them. as it is, they are On your eyeball lens, so when you look for them you constantly move your vision and them. and if you see one, then try to "look" at it it moves with your vision. the best way in my opinion is too just stare blankly at the sky and if you start too see little specs not too look directly at them try to grasp their image with your peripheral
they play a great part in how you see reality IMO
now there are other things i "see" that i could imagine them associating with LSD contributing. but there are alot of things to "see" and they should not mix up "floaters" with other consistencies. like seeing energy in its raw form, a foaming vibration of light specs..... wich your more in touch with after trips... or sometimes when i stretch i see little white dots float around. not eye floaters. someone told me its from lack of oxygen, maybe. i call them faeries because they have a certain consistancy that is almost material, and i have no personal control over when they come, leave, and what they do.
i could see how they would say that its "associated with LSD use" most peoples awareness is dwindled so that they cant even notice how well a piss excavates the body. but when normal sheep get ahold of some LSD they become more aware of the situations playing out around them and what goes on to and through them. and eye floaters are a tiny portion of what there is too "see"
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314797 - 02/08/04 03:02 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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The best way to see these floaters is to walk around on a bright day when theres snow covering everything and look at the ground in front of you. Walking around right after a big snowfall when footprints and tiremarks aren't all over the place in a big open area like a parking lot or grass lot is ideal. I've been able to see the exact shape of the bacteria that sits over my pupils and its pretty facinating. Walking for like 5 minutes through a snowy parking lot instead of the shoveled sidewalk was one of the more peaceful/calming non-stoned moments I've had in the past few months
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2314832 - 02/08/04 03:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I know my friend said his floaters increased in size and number after he took acid a couple of times. I never had (or noticed) them before he told me that he had some. I started noticing them after that. I had taken acid 3 or 4 times before I started noticing them, and now I have a pretty good number. I don't think acid has anything to do with it really, but I do know that I notice them more often as a result of talking about them. Mine have also done some crazy things while on psychedelics.
My friend said that the doctor he asked about them said that since the eye is just a sac of fluid, sometimes its consistency is not...consistent, resulting in floaters.
They've never really bothered me as you won't notice them unless you are trying to or if you are bored. If you are doing something important you will probably not notice them. Like I can't see them now but I see them all the time on my cigarette breaks.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Adden]
#2314899 - 02/08/04 03:45 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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>There are bacteria and organisms that are on the surface of your eyeball.
There might be, but those are not the eye floaters.
"Floaters are actually tiny clumps of gel or cells inside the vitreous, the clear jelly-like fluid that fills the inside of your eye."
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Anno]
#2314941 - 02/08/04 04:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was told by my eye doctor that they are tiny pieces of the retna breaking away
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: ]
#2315104 - 02/08/04 05:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see those all the time. They look like donuts or solid circles. They move around and look pretty cool. I usually see them after I leave a bright place (like outside during the day with snow on the ground, light is reflected everywhere) and walk into a dark place.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: kgro]
#2320495 - 02/10/04 02:50 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting amount of responses guys cheers. The floaters - as Anno states are not bactiera, they are actually proteins clumping in the vitreous gel of the eye. I have always had small ones but i got them on october last year so bad that i could barely see out of onw eye - all i could see was brown fog. It turned out that this was due to an unrelated health condition, but the weird thing was that the other guy who i triped with last also got them after his trip without the underlying health problem i got. I thought id check out connection - and was interested to see if other had noticed this. My friend thinks that pot caused his - while mine have a more clinical cause.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: mookieburger]
#2320536 - 02/10/04 03:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, can someone describe what a floater looks like?
I sometimes see dots of color when I look at something bright then turn my head really quick and stuff like that.
I've noticed that when looking up on a cloudy day I see what looks like little tadpoles buzzing around in the clouds.. Which I've been led to believe is shit buzzing around in my eye... But, who knows?
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2320546 - 02/10/04 03:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eye floaters have nothing to do with LSD or any other drugs. Everyone has them. SOme people notice them others don't. They are small bits of broken up neural tissue that form during fetal development before you are even born.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: DocPsilocybin]
#2320591 - 02/10/04 04:52 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have floaters for years. Mine are little threads of dirt which the eye-doctor saids gets in the back of your eyes. when I try to focus on one of them, they look like microes under the microscope. I haev lots in my right eyes and I also have cataracs which I am soon to have removed.
laser surgery and all that. been putting it off for a year. May not need glasses for reeading if I get them taken out but then each eye is covereed for six weeks with a patch.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Monkah]
#2320593 - 02/10/04 04:53 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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well put.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2321194 - 02/10/04 01:01 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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My eye floaters, which ive always had, are mostly whitish clear dots or circles with strands to other dots. I only get/notice them some times. Normally outside where its bright, snow, sky, white painted walls with a lot of light.....
Dont really bother me, but i definatly started to notice them more after i tripped. I always figured its somthing on my eye, because when i try to move my eye to focus on one it moves with my eye movement so i cant.
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I first saw the "particles" when I was a kid, but didn't see them again until I tripped for my first time in high school. I see them when I look at the sky, as tiny particles oscillating and swirling with entropy. I could believe that they are bacteria on your eyeball/in the air close to your eyes. Awesome perception though..
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Re: Particles [Re: Parabola]
#2321573 - 02/10/04 02:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see things like this only smaller.
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Re: Particles [Re: Dankman]
#2321718 - 02/10/04 03:30 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see little micro-organisms or whatever that my eye magnifies, it's like a little clear bug swimming across my vision. It's cool when it happens but it's a pretty rare sight for me.
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Re: Particles [Re: Dankman]
#2322584 - 02/10/04 10:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dankman's pic is almost exactly what i see. Doesn't seem to happen too often, but they're always fun to watch.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: ]
#2322764 - 02/10/04 11:02 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is what i normally had, but mine actually formed into larger clumps after i got a health condition - they can get more severe with bloodsugar problems and thyroid conditions.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2350478 - 02/18/04 01:44 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard they are either dirt on the eyelashes, or you perceiving changes in the shape and size of the blood vessels in your cornea. Nothing to worry about... and kinda fun when you are bored in class, staring at the ceiling! Jeeze.. this is the second time I've posted about eye floaters today!
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2351047 - 02/18/04 03:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had a small floater shaped like a red blood cell for as long as i can remember.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2351143 - 02/18/04 03:58 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I barely ever get them... But yea i do see them sometimes, theyre really translucent.
However I do see things that I can only describe as ATOMS. Theyre are lots of them and they spin little circles, like theyre rotating around something, theyre sorta black... sorta. Only happened to me twice. First time was my 2nd LSD trip i was in a park and I layed down looking at the sky and got them. Then the other day it just happened out of nowhere. Pretty wierd.. something i cant repeat
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I just noticed mine about a week ago. It kind of freaked me out because that is the first time I have ever seen them. I thought maybe since I have been eating a lot of mushrooms that had something to do with it. But there is no way to prove that, and now hearing everyone else talk about them before drugs it makes me more comfortable. If I only my next batch was done for this weekend. hehe Two and a half weeks!
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2351270 - 02/18/04 04:23 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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i also can see my "eye floaters" they are entertaining becuase you can follow them in your eye and they like run away...just a fun game that i like to play
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: TheKid04]
#2358264 - 02/20/04 06:44 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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So it sounds like you have the normal floaters inherantly in the eye from birth. Mine as i have said got to the point where i couldnt see my computer screen properly. Everywhere i looked there were large blackish spots - these are what genuine vitrious floaters are like. I wanted to check out someone's questionable connection to LSD use regarding these. I now know what caused mine, but my friend was concerned. Thanks for all your inputs
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2359656 - 02/20/04 01:53 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I get those "bacteria" floaters, but I also get spherical balls that float around every now and then, especially when I look up to the sky, ever since I tripped. Occasionally I see a bunch of them if I was doing something strenuous, and I almost get kinda dizzy. It's weird. Nifty at first, almost don't notice them now, but that might be cause I'm getting em less and less
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2360169 - 02/20/04 03:45 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i always thought they were residual images from the blood vessels in your eyes
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Atomisk]
#2361688 - 02/20/04 10:47 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Inside your eye you have a gel This gel will coat the inside of your eye This coating can come off the inside of your eye. .. the light then reflex this in your vision as if your seeing it... It can't happen in the dark you would never even notice....
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Evil_Mind]
#2362143 - 02/21/04 12:28 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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So it seems most are in agreement - "floaters" are something everyone has, and various environmental pressures can change their frequency, appearance, etc.
LSD (and mushrooms) might make them seem more prevalent, but only in the same way you "break out" during an acid trip. ;-)*
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2362206 - 02/21/04 12:43 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have them too. I only really notice them when I am driving.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: valour]
#2362212 - 02/21/04 12:44 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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exactly - these are natural proteins in the vitreous of the eye - that certain medical conditions can increase in prevelence - your eyes natural mechanisms eventually move these out of your vision.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2362278 - 02/21/04 01:01 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_311.html
What are those threads that float in your field of vision?
Dear Cecil:
Sometimes when I'm lying on my back looking at the sky or the ceiling or some other light-colored background, I swear I can see specks and what looks like little threads floating by. They seem to move when I move my eyes, leading me to believe they're actually on my eyes. Is there some optical phenomenon that allows us to focus that close? Is there a name for this effect? --Mike P., Dallas
Dear Mike:
Those little specks and threads aren't on your eyes, you silly, they're IN your eyes. Doctors call them floaters, muscae volitantes (Latin for "fluttering flies"), or, if they're in a prosaic mood, spots. The specks are variously described as particles, soot, spiders, cobwebs, worms, dark streaks, or rings. Just about everybody experiences them, although they're most common in people who are nearsighted. Usually--but not always--they're harmless.
The little threads are believed to be the sad remnants of the hyaloid artery, which nourishes the lens and other parts of the eye during fetal development and then withers away. During its brief life the artery floats in the vitreous humor, the goo that fills the eyeball behind the lens. Running from the lens to the back of the eye where the optic nerve comes in, it reaches the high point of its existence around the third month of development, then starts to atrophy. By the seventh month blood stops flowing through the artery and it gradually disintegrates. Most of the debris disappears by the time you're born, but some of it remains on the scene indefinitely.
As you get older, the number of floaters in your eyes tends to increase due to the formation of fibrous clumps and membranes in the vitreous fluid. If things really start to slide, the vitreous material may even pull away from the inside of the eyeball, in which case what you're seeing may be crudniks stuck to the back side of your eyeball jelly. Disgusting, sure, but more or less normal, they tell me. Your vision remains unimpaired.
But floaters aren't always benign. Sometimes they're errant blood cells resulting from hemorrhage of the delicate vessels inside the eye. This can be caused by a good whack to the head or by a variety of ailments. A sudden shower of spots, for instance, often accompanied by flashes of light, can signal that you're about to suffer a detached retina.
Floaters can also be debris resulting from an eye infection--or worse. I note here in my ophthalmology handbook, which needless to say I keep with me always, that sometimes floaters can be "intraocular parasites"--meaning that what look like flies may actually be flies, after a manner of speaking. Fortunately, these are rare.
Assuming your floaters aren't caused by some ongoing disease or other problem, they'll generally go away or at least settle out of your line of vision eventually. If not, and if your sight is seriously impaired as a result, the vitreous fluid can be surgically drained and replaced with an inert substitute. This is called a vitrectomy, and it's a bit delicate. If you're checking out surgeons and the guy says, "Sure, I'll take a stab," he is not, in my book, the ideal candidate for the job.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: kb73]
#2362392 - 02/21/04 01:28 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks for your post. highly informative.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: valour]
#2363150 - 02/21/04 09:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Valour, now that is interesting since when I do shrooms or LSD I take no notice of my floaters, and at 60 I have a lot of them. A;lso have cataracs. Have to get rid of those soon via laser.
But the floaters, I never notice them when I am high, only when I am not.
Too many other items to see when stoned.
mj
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Monkah]
#2368851 - 02/22/04 05:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are as I recall, blood vessels which have long since ceased functioning(like in babyhood!) and kind of broke off. It has been a while since I read about them, I think they are related to development of the eye, and after a point, after birth, i believe, they are no longer used, and fall apart.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: valour]
#2372075 - 02/23/04 01:16 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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mine seem to have gotten worse as i've become older.
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Ripple]
#2375641 - 02/25/04 08:38 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had these also since I was a kid. Mine look like sperm, they actually swim and dart about in all directions, some travel in zig-zags. Why all of a sudden did I remember to roll a doobie?
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Re: Eye floaters - a wive's tale? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2375691 - 02/25/04 09:21 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah its cells in the vitreous jelly of the eye i don't think the cause is LSD herb or any other drug!!!! i have had several in my right eye due to the vitreous jelly shrinking away from the retina.. it helps if you drink plenty of water!!!!!!!!!
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