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iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay
    #2311712 - 02/07/04 03:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

if the subpoena stands..they'll be in gitmo within a month...
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BY RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press Writer

DES MOINES, Iowa - In what may be the first subpoena of its kind in decades, a federal judge has ordered a university to turn over records about a gathering of anti-war activists.



In addition to the subpoena of Drake University, subpoenas were served this past week on four of the activists who attended a Nov. 15 forum at the school, ordering them to appear before a grand jury Tuesday, the protesters said.


Federal prosecutors refuse to comment on the subpoenas.


In addition to records about who attended the forum, the subpoena orders the university to divulge all records relating to the local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, a New York-based legal activist organization that sponsored the forum.


The group, once targeted for alleged ties to communism in the 1950s, announced Friday it will ask a federal court to quash the subpoena on Monday.


"The law is clear that the use of the grand jury to investigate protected political activities or to intimidate protesters exceeds its authority," guild President Michael Ayers said in a statement.


Representatives of the Lawyer's Guild and the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) said they had not heard of such a subpoena being served on any U.S. university in decades.


Those served subpoenas include the leader of the Catholic Peace Ministry, the former coordinator of the Iowa Peace Network, a member of the Catholic Worker House, and an anti-war activist who visited Iraq (news - web sites) in 2002.


They say the subpoenas are intended to stifle dissent.


"This is exactly what people feared would happen," said Brian Terrell of the peace ministry, one of those subpoenaed. "The civil liberties of everyone in this country are in danger. How we handle that here in Iowa is very important on how things are going to happen in this country from now on."


The forum, titled "Stop the Occupation! Bring the Iowa Guard Home!" came the day before 12 protesters were arrested at an anti-war rally at Iowa National Guard headquarters in Johnston. Organizers say the forum included nonviolence training for people planning to demonstrate.


The targets of the subpoenas believe investigators are trying to link them to an incident that occurred during the rally. A Grinnell College librarian was charged with misdemeanor assault on a peace officer; she has pleaded innocent, saying she simply went limp and resisted arrest.


"The best approach is not to speculate and see what we learn on Tuesday" when the four testify, said Ben Stone, executive director of the Iowa Civil Liberties Union, which is representing one of the protesters.


Mark Smith, a lobbyist for the Washington-based American Association of University Professors, said he had not heard of any similar case of a U.S. university being subpoenaed for such records.


He said the case brings back fears of the "red squads" of the 1950s and campus clampdowns on Vietnam War protesters.


According to a copy obtained by The Associated Press, the Drake subpoena asks for records of the request for a meeting room, "all documents indicating the purpose and intended participants in the meeting, and all documents or recordings which would identify persons that actually attended the meeting."


It also asks for campus security records "reflecting any observations made of the Nov. 15, 2003, meeting, including any records of persons in charge or control of the meeting, and any records of attendees of the meeting."





Several officials of Drake, a private university with about 5,000 students, refused to comment Friday, including school spokeswoman Andrea McDonough. She referred questions to a lawyer representing the school, Steve Serck, who also would not comment.

A source with knowledge of the investigation said a judge had issued a gag order forbidding school officials from discussing the subpoena.

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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2311732 - 02/07/04 03:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well then...it is certainly safe to say:

AMERICA IS NOW UNDER MARSHALL LAW!

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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2311752 - 02/07/04 03:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

guantanamo bay? where the hell did you come up with that?


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    #2311764 - 02/07/04 03:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

guantanamo bay? where the hell did you come up with that?

its a figure of speech...meaning that they will likely end up in military custody to be tried by tribunal..without access to legal counsel...


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2311801 - 02/07/04 03:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

its a figure of speech...meaning that they will likely end up in military custody to be tried by tribunal..without access to legal counsel...

i highly doubt it. we'll see.


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    #2311924 - 02/07/04 04:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

what kind of charges do *you* think they intend to press??...and dont forget..any such charges of a "political opposition" nature could fall into a category of "national security"..that in turn..subjects them to military prosecution...


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2312009 - 02/07/04 04:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

all they've done is asked for records, and you immediately jump to the conclustion that they will be in military custody, awaiting a secret trial within a month. sorry, but i think your tinfoil hat is a tad too tight.


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: trendal]
    #2312023 - 02/07/04 04:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

That would be *martial*, Trendal.

But I'm with MushMaster. I don't think this will get very far.


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    #2312058 - 02/07/04 04:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I don't mean to be wise, i mean this in a funny,  :laugh: friendly tone. Wear a AFH  for 2weeks straight and then say its a bunch of crap after you take it off. http://www.mojocity.com/hat1.htm
Its like saying shrooms are dangerous without ever trying them.

note:AFH = aluminum foil hat

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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2312117 - 02/07/04 05:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

But I'm with MushMaster. I don't think this will get very far.

maybe not as far as gitmo or something similar...but at the very least they will have problems boarding a flight...in either case..i think we can all agree that nothing good can come out of this..if the subpoena is not overruled...in this instance..the foil hat is more than appropriate attire...


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2312136 - 02/07/04 05:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Forgive me, I've had a few to drink today :smirk:


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2312171 - 02/07/04 05:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Annapurna1: Yes, thats true. But then again, I probably couldn't get on a flight, for a variety of reasons! But I do see your point. Thanks to Bush and his buddies, (ala the "Patriot  Acts") LEO has gotten way too powerful and intrusive. :frown:
As far as this particular case though, it being an election year, I think they'll just let it go. The current Administration has taken far too many black eyes over exactly this sort of thing.

Trendal: Hehehe! It's cool, buddy! I just couldn't resist! :biggrin:


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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2313207 - 02/08/04 01:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: iraq war protesters to be shipped to guantanamo bay [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2315270 - 02/08/04 08:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

this is just the beginning, guys....


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