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Dirtygoat
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Use old woodchips? Shiitake
#23108589 - 04/11/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Am growing shiitake. We have a huge pile of woodchips outdoors, likely maple. The pile is about a year old at this point.. should we use it or would it be not such a good idea?
Thing is we have a shitload of spawn rn so we could do a bit of experimentation, but I would rather not waste any of the spawn, so I am looking for some suggestions from you experienced shroomers
Edited by Dirtygoat (04/12/16 07:49 AM)
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: Dirtygoat]
#23110070 - 04/12/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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are you pasteurizing or sterilizing? if so should be alright as long as you dont see a bunch of mold.
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: Dirtygoat]
#23111238 - 04/12/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't have any experience creating an outdoor bed, but I plan to once it warms up a bit.
If I were you I would do this with your shiitake:
Agar>Sawdust or Grain Jars>Sterilized Woodchips>Outdoor Woodchip Bed
Once you get some healthy sawdust jars of Shiitake going spawn them to a large tote of sterilized woodchips. When those sterilized woodchips have colonized use those to inoculate outdoor woodchips beds in a shady spot. The woodchips in the outdoor beds themselves don't need to be sterilized but you should use sterilized spawn (the tote full of woodchips) to get things started.
Its common practice to not sterilize substrates in outdoor grows, but the spawn should always be sterile.
This may be a confusing post since "spawn" is both a noun and verb, lol. Hope it all makes sense.
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23112045 - 04/12/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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How would one sterilize a tote and keep it that way?
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: morbiddoctor]
#23112978 - 04/13/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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You wouldnt sterilize the tote man. Sterilize the woodchips and spawn them in the tote. Think of it like a monotub, but instead of fruiting in there you are "planting" the spawn outside.
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23113252 - 04/13/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said: I don't have any experience creating an outdoor bed, but I plan to once it warms up a bit.
If I were you I would do this with your shiitake:
Agar>Sawdust or Grain Jars>Sterilized Woodchips>Outdoor Woodchip Bed
Once you get some healthy sawdust jars of Shiitake going spawn them to a large tote of sterilized woodchips. When those sterilized woodchips have colonized use those to inoculate outdoor woodchips beds in a shady spot. The woodchips in the outdoor beds themselves don't need to be sterilized but you should use sterilized spawn (the tote full of woodchips) to get things started.
Its common practice to not sterilize substrates in outdoor grows, but the spawn should always be sterile.
This may be a confusing post since "spawn" is both a noun and verb, lol. Hope it all makes sense. 
I like this idea. I'm looking to make out door pink yellow and gold oyster beds and have been contemplating how to go about it. I have a ton of wood chips and was definitely going to use them- probably pasteurize and case sawdust blocks- but this idea of yours seems better.
My question is how best to go from grain to wood chips, in what container, and with the limitations of my SAB how would I best go about keeping the wood chip spawn sterile and still maximize the grain > wood chip ratio.
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23113476 - 04/13/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said:

You wouldnt sterilize the tote man. Sterilize the woodchips and spawn them in the tote. Think of it like a monotub, but instead of fruiting in there you are "planting" the spawn outside.
Ya I know that but the wording you used read like that though. Kinda confused me.
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Re: Use old woodchips? Shiitake [Re: TravelAgency]
#23114070 - 04/13/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oysters are a straw loving species but will colonize any number of things....
If you can get your hands on some straw I might try to spawn to that first and then use the woodchips to create a mulch layer when you start your outdoor bed.
When you spawn the grains to sterilized woodchips or straw don't worry too much about sterility. You certainly don't need a glove box, doing this part in open air is fine. Its the same idea as spawning cubes to a substrate in a monotub. The grains are really the only thing susceptible to contaminating, but since these have been colonized its nothing to worry too hard about. I would suggest doing this in a large plastic tote. 66L should do but whatever you have lying around is fine. Just make sure you use a 20% spawn rate or so for your outdoor patch (i.e. dont expect to inoculate 10 acres of woodchip beds with 66L of spawn)
Once your initial tote of woodchips is colonized whatever you are transferring it to outdoors doesnt need to be sterile. As long as the spawn (chips or staw in the tote) is clean it will be off to a good head start.
So just to clarify this is the order things go in should you chose to use this idea.
colonized grain spawn>tote of sterilized woodchips or staw>outdoor beds of woodchips
People have also made beds by mixing up colonized grain with whatever they have lying around, but I hear that the birds and mice really love to eat the spawn, this is why its best to go to woodchips first.
Sorry for the lengthy post! Hit us up if you have more questions and please take some pics so we can enjoy the journey with you.
Edit: A major problems with outdoor beds is insects, especially fungus gnats. Might want to look into row cover and other solutions while your spawn is colonizing lol
Edited by PsilocyBen17 (04/13/16 05:18 PM)
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