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Ziran
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Small Spawn Trays by Ziran 7
#23078677 - 04/03/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Small Spawn Trays Ziran Style
This is how we do it gents.
Using a Sterilite 1961 tray we do the following. I use about half a quart of spawn per tray then fill the rest with CVG . Different methods also found here and here You can fit about 3 of these trays in a monotub. So with 2 quarts of spawn you'd get 4 trays.


Take our spawn jars, and break it up. It should break up nice and easy if it is clean spawn. a few wacks on your hand is all it should take.

Then we pour our spawn into the tray, Depending on how much you want to use per tray. You can easily split a quart of spawn between 2 trays. I will be using 1 quart for this example.

Then with your substrate of choice (coir, hpoo, cpoo ect) add some to your tray and mix well. I will be using coir in this example.

This step is optional, but I personally like to do this, I then add a little more substrate on top and smooth it out to create a top layer. I don't really like the exposed grains so I do this.

You can then either put them directly into fruiting, or replace the lid and colonize for a few more days to a week, then proceed to fruit them. Either way will work, its mostly personal preference.

Fruiting Examples


Some more examples, Fruiting these two trays inside of my greenhouse setup. (PS I REALLY LIKE IT - but needs more work dialing it in comparison to tossing some trays in a monotub)



Some more monotub examples - 1 quart of spawn split across all three trays the rest filled with CVG mix.

Uncased tray fruiting in my SGFC


Straight Grains cased in verm fruiting in a SGFC

Whole oats spawned to Hpoo, cased in coir at fruiting.

Tray spawned with 1 quart spawn fruiting in a mono-sgfc hybrid
Edited by Ziran (05/01/18 02:14 AM)
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán *DELETED* [Re: Ziran] 1
#23078687 - 04/03/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Ziran]
#23078692 - 04/03/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you have to use the entire SFD disc? A small cutout to cover the hole would've been just fine
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Psilosoulful]
#23078698 - 04/03/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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good thought. I will adjust it as so. I have disposable income atm so I don't really mind :P live and learn. I'm still just a noob.
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: tryptkaloids]
#23078722 - 04/03/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: waste of sfd IMO. why do you need to filter your spawn trays?
We are continuing colonization in the tray.
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RogerRabbit said: The reason you want a high CO2 concentration during colonization is often misunderstood because initial colonization would actually go faster with more air.
We keep the CO2 high during colonization for three main reasons. The first is that less of the substrate is consumed during colonization, therefore more of its biological mass is available later for producing mushrooms, increasing BE. The second is that a high CO2 level impedes the growth of most competitor fungi, so if those organisms are present, your mushroom mycelium will be at an advantage. The third is we've found a reduction in CO2 along with the other pinning triggers helps contribute to great pinsets. RR
It might be counter-productive to do the lid idea. But for how deep you can make those trays its easier to put the lid back on and let it colonize for a bit longer plus no saran wrap. then when its good and ready I simply take the lid off and set it in my SGFC. I don't want to suffocate the mushies while they are in the tray. and it already comes with a lid. figured I'd just mod the lid. Hell it might not even need the SFD's. Its just a mental masturbation base I was covering.
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Ziran]
#23078871 - 04/03/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ziran said: might not even need the SFD's.
yeah the imperfect seal around the lid is enough for ge. I'm a fan of more air flow during colonization though, recently begun introducing fae right from spawning with great results despite that rr quote. but as far as ge which is what the sfd provides I would call it adequate with the imperfect lid.
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: filthyknees]
#23078874 - 04/03/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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filthyknees said:
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Ziran said: might not even need the SFD's.
yeah the imperfect seal around the lid is enough for ge. I'm a fan of more air flow during colonization though, recently begun introducing fae right from spawning with great results despite that rr quote. but as far as ge which is what the sfd provides I would call it adequate with the imperfect lid.
Yah thanks man! i use the snaps on them to keep it sealed up. So i figured adding the holes wouldn't hurt anything.
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Ziran]
#23078886 - 04/03/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's your time money and resources. the snaps don't make it sealed, there is still plenty of gas exchange happening by way of convection through the path of least resistance.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: filthyknees]
#23078902 - 04/03/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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fair enough! good stuff to know. Still learning everyday! <3
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: filthyknees]
#23078912 - 04/03/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hate to rain on the parade but I'm pretty sure that azur's method pretty much nullifies this, he's proven that you don't need to restrict co2 during colonization, which I realize it what you are going for, more GE, but why not just go all the way?
I'm not really sure what you do in those tray, do you fruit out of them? Is it to put into an sgfc or filler for a mono?
I guess if you're planning on putting that in the sgfc that's one thing, but at that point why not just make a mono?
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: the_r3dz]
#23078915 - 04/03/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I place it in my SGFC or monotub.
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Edited by Ziran (03/26/17 01:57 AM)
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Ziran] 1
#23078949 - 04/03/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Then why do you think that we should follow in your footsteps?
Just wondering if you don't think you're experienced enough to do a mono, why your methods are good enough that we should replicate them?
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Ziran] 1
#23078956 - 04/03/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll reserve all judgement on this until I see results. There are good arguments on both sides here. The high CO2 thing may be older knowledge more specifically geared toward edibles but misapplied to cubensis. This hobby has changed a lot in just the last 3 years alone.
I often wonder how much knowledge about edibles has been erroneously applied to growing conditions of dung-loving psychedelics just because there hasn't been enough information about the later.
Edit: But for the record the imperfect seal around the lid IS enough for GE. I almost wonder if the gas will even move through the filter when there is little to no resistance around the outside edges.
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: the_r3dz]
#23078957 - 04/03/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Before we get too deep in the CO2 levels during colonization thing it should be noted that it's species dependant to a large extent. Some species need really high CO2 otherwise parts of the sub may pin early before the rest is colonized.
Obviously not a concern with cubes. Carry on.
Edit; tiger beat me to it
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23078964 - 04/03/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I totally agree, after trying just a couple species of edibles and seeing how vastly different their perfect conditions are, it's surely the same with cubes
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23079144 - 04/03/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Before we get too deep in the CO2 levels during colonization thing it should be noted that it's species dependant to a large extent. Some species need really high CO2 otherwise parts of the sub may pin early before the rest is colonized.
Obviously not a concern with cubes. Carry on.
Edit; tiger beat me to it 
I had a hericium jar with an old pf lid and micropore I was going to use as a master jar but it fruited before full colonization. could this be why? I thought It was bacterial
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Edited by tryptkaloids (04/03/16 01:19 PM)
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: tryptkaloids]
#23079152 - 04/03/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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Pastywhyte said: Before we get too deep in the CO2 levels during colonization thing it should be noted that it's species dependant to a large extent. Some species need really high CO2 otherwise parts of the sub may pin early before the rest is colonized.
Obviously not a concern with cubes. Carry on.
Edit; tiger beat me to it 
I had a hericium jar with an old pf lid and micropore I was going to use as a master jar but it fruited before full colonization. could this be why? I thought It was bacterial
Could this be why.....? why what?
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán *DELETED* [Re: elasticaltiger]
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: Buckthorn]
#23079291 - 04/03/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean I know hericium is a CO2 sensitive species, could it have fruited because it had too much O2?
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Re: Small Spawn Trays with GE holes by zìrán [Re: tryptkaloids]
#23079302 - 04/03/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes. With Hericium you want elevated CO2 and fast even colonization or else it pins invitro. Liquids are good for it IMO.
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