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InvisibleSwami
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Visions
    #2305831 - 02/05/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My old computer used to clutter up the screen with meaningless color patterns before it died. It wasn't working properly and the memory was being overwritten.

Visions - why do they only seem to be the product of an abnormally functioning brain? Apparently people only see visions after sleep deprivation, fever, serious illness, bodily trauma, extended fasting or psychotropic drugs. All of these things are disruptive to the normal, healthy functioning of the brain. Visions appear to be (no pun) a by-product of this disruption rather than a connection with a higher plane.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2305932 - 02/05/04 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and of course there are also dreams, visions that each living person has 3-5 times every night, during an essential part of a healthy brain cycle...


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2305940 - 02/05/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even so if that is true that they are more of dysfunction, than higher order function as you say.

What if one could learn how to manipulate those images, or utilize them for oneself. The "vision" isnt useless, even if it isnt because of some higher power.

Does everyone think that they are a product of a higher power?


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2305983 - 02/05/04 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

both of you made good points. a lot of the time my imagination works in more of a vision format, than a brain-storming format... art and poetry comes to me more in a pictureshow style than anything, where my techniques in recording them and displaying them on paper or through instruments is a matter of learning and skill and effort, my imagination is more effortless and passive.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306075 - 02/05/04 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps an abnormally functioning mind is more in tune with the working of a higher plain


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306090 - 02/05/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I summon visions every evening in bed before sleep...

Hypnogogic imagery (I believe its called) is fascinating.

I see what you mean though... I've never had a hypnogogic image strike me as nearly as powerful or profound as various drug hallucinations or visions from not sleeping for days.

This is strange, maybe its one's mind trying to say "HEY FUCKER SOMETHING'S UP!"


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306113 - 02/05/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Sole_Worthy said:
Perhaps an abnormally functioning mind is more in tune with the working of a higher plain




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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306153 - 02/05/04 07:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
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Perhaps an abnormally functioning mind is more in tune with the working of a higher plain







When you take psychedelic drugs...it opens up doors....


in your mind. Doors that the "upper management" of USA's Society would rather you keep shut.

And then often times...people become...

ENLIGHTENED...

Simply....because...they...ALTERED....their consciousness.

They entered....an ABNORMAL....state of mind...

Reaching..enlightenment...in an altered and abnormal state of mind.

With that in mind is it so hard to concieve that visions people can encounter in an altered and abnormal state of mind, are also of a higher and more 'enlightened' existence? PARTICULARLY....when we take hallucinogens? (Which, again...open up DOORS...in your mind)



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Re: Visions [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2306163 - 02/05/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's all relative to your definition of an abnormally functioning mind. How do we know when the mind is functioning abnormally, when we know so little about it's function in the first place?

Perhaps what we consider to be disruptive functioning of the brain, in some cases, could actually weaken or distract the ego, and more subtle energies could be perceived by a being who is functioning in an altered state of consciousness, outside of regular ego consciousness, which is rather calculative. Perhaps this "abnormal" functioning, is really just a quick glimpse into the spirit world as we vibrate at a different frequency then 'normal'.


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Re: Visions [Re: Shroomism]
    #2306164 - 02/05/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think visions (from whatever cause) are often accompanied with the feeling of depth and importance (spiritual meaning) because of their rare occurrence.


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Re: Visions [Re: Shroomism]
    #2306174 - 02/05/04 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I once had visions while in a delirium as my brain was at 104.5 degrees, which is quite dangerous. I think you can die or do permanent damage a little above 105 degrees, so in that case it certainly seems to be malfunctioning. There was no meaning associated with these visions.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306185 - 02/05/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami said:
Apparently people only see visions after sleep deprivation, fever, serious illness, bodily trauma, extended fasting or psychotropic drugs. All of these things are disruptive to the normal, healthy functioning of the brain. Visions appear to be (no pun) a by-product of this disruption rather than a connection with a higher plane.




Maybe it's that our brains are currently in a disrupted state and it's these things you listed that return us to "normal, healthy" brain function. Besides, wasn't just other humans who defined what's "normal" and "healthy" for the brain? Who's to say they're not wrong? I certainly wouldn't assume they're right. They're only human.


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Re: Visions [Re: MrGrib]
    #2306196 - 02/05/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would define normal brain functioning as the ability to deal with survival issues. Could you work, defend yourself, drive a car, effectively communicate with random others in many of these conditions? Not likely; therefore not "normal". Of course, you could choose to play semantic games which rarely leads anywhere...


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306198 - 02/05/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I would venture to say that different causes of visions could denote different meanings. For example, a roasting brain vision.. is likely your brain going woah.. this isn't normal.. time to go crazy..

Why do visions seem to happen more frequently before the potential for death?

Perhaps the 'malfunctioning', is just the spirit's eye opening.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306212 - 02/05/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I'm just a little leary because I have visions (outside of near-death encounters), and I function in society (somewhat...haha), and as far as I know, my brain is functioning "normally". So does that mean that I am schizophrenic or what?

I once saw four pillars of multidimensional light with triangle heads through self-hypnosis, they were very friendly and helpful. Those damn visions.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306219 - 02/05/04 07:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

where did you come up with this term "survival issues"? What may be survival issues for you may not be survival issues for another. So your attributing the term "normal" to these functions is clearly biased. Please rethink your point.


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Re: Visions [Re: Swami]
    #2306245 - 02/05/04 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think that there is a difference between visions and hallucinations. when i hallucinate i know the experience with more senses; this is what happens in those critical(disfunctioning) periods...they are hallucinations, not visions. visions can be associated with more non-critical experiences, like when you use your imagination. when you are in a critical experience your brain is not relativley normal, so chemicals are sent out of whack...i dont know...ive got to think about this some more


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    #2306252 - 02/05/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #2306258 - 02/05/04 08:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well, save personally trying to get as close to death as possible, we could research near death experiences and draw on simularities of 'visions' as a start


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Re: Visions [Re: MrGrib]
    #2306263 - 02/05/04 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed Swamers, you need not look far.

Cats, birds, many animals, are in tune with visions. Birds migrate before the snows, cats flee with their offspring before natural disaster...other situations can be found if you desired to search.


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