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MyCoFiend420
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Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major?
#23045757  03/25/16 09:10 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


Hi all, I recently talked to my Biological Sciences advisor about what courses i should register for. She advised me to enroll in Calculus with applications, which (according to my friend) is going to be harder than taking Calculus 1. Mathematics is not my strongest subject and dont want to take any harder math courses than i need to. Im wondering if this course is better suited for Biology majors than calculus 1 because of the applications or if i could just take Calc 1 and be fine? id ask my advisor but it's friday night so i have to wait until monday, plus i havent been on here in awhile :P thanks,
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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: MyCoFiend420]
#23053169  03/27/16 10:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


I have never heard of a program with a "harder" calculus class than the normal calc 1 (derivatives), calc 2 (Integrals), calc 3 (multivariable). My school had an advanced calculus class that was based on mostly proofs and stuff. I shared a lot of courses with bio majors, they never seemed to complain about much math. Most of it is pretty simple chemistry (Really just algebra with formula's to memorize).
I'm not a biology guy though, so I'm a bad person to ask. I don't know why an applications course would be better... it might be an easier calc course for people who don't need to take the full sequence of calc courses?

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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: Thebooedocksaint] 1
#23082529  04/04/16 03:42 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


Calculus is required for a Biology major? That sucks, I could see statistics, but not calc. I'd say skip it if possible.
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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: badchad]
#23083658  04/04/16 08:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


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badchad said: Calculus is required for a Biology major? That sucks, I could see statistics, but not calc. I'd say skip it if possible.
How are you going to model changes in environmental systems, then? :V
I thought calc was part of *every* major. They make the engineering students take liberal arts shit, so it's only fair.
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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: micro]
#23088795  04/06/16 07:07 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


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micro said:
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badchad said: Calculus is required for a Biology major? That sucks, I could see statistics, but not calc. I'd say skip it if possible.
How are you going to model changes in environmental systems, then? :V
I thought calc was part of *every* major. They make the engineering students take liberal arts shit, so it's only fair.
Calculus is not required for most majors, and most bio majors are not going to model changes in environmental systems. My school had about 110 majors and maybe 20 reqired calc. The reason why they force engineering students to take a couple of liberal arts classes is because they had all these half geniuses who didn't have a clue about how to construct a paragraph. I spent over 11 years at a University that had over 8,000 engineering students, so these issues were debated a lot and the they started requiring some writing classes for engineers in the 80's. Personally I think they should have required them to take a class to learn how to dress, buy clothes etc. About 10% could be exempt, but the rest were why they came up with the term "enginerds".
On the other hand, the stats class I taught must have been one of the easiest ways to get through a stats requirement. I came to this conclusion after noticing how many of my students were dance and art majors, besides the nurses and social science majors who really needed to know statistics. I dropped trig/calc in high school and it never came up in 3 semesters of graduate level statistics. I doubt I could have ever got through one semester of undergraduate stats from a math or engineering dept., even at a 2 year college. But the class I taught for 6 semesters had more cute chicks than any other stats class in the world.
My real point is the average educated person only needs to know enough stats to understand public opinion and political polling. The rest is for you techies.
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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: Brian Jones]
#23100556  04/09/16 03:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


I'm a fancy greek letter honors student and this is my take on the problem:
I hate to say it but the actual value of the material to you isn't an important factor in *this* case. Selffulfillment is not what university is about.
If you take the easier one, the difference will be filled in quickly through other courses in your major. If you take the other one, it will be forgotten quickly either way, because Calculus with Applications will by no means have anything to do with YOUR applications! People from many majors will be taking it, and the course will be designed to be equally mediocre for all. It's "with applications", not "with bio applications".
I bet one reason your peers think it's harder is because they had to go through it and be taught a bunch of applications that have nothing to do with their major. Don't make the same mistake!
Email the profs and ask if you can see the syllabus for each before you register.
Look at the grading policy. Professors that count "class participation" and other shite unrelated to the learning as a high percentage of the grade tend to inflate the grades more, so your transcript will be prettier for the same amount of work. If either or both drops lowest scores for some things, convert everything to a percentage of the total grade and see how much of your lowestgraded work is actually dropped. Favor the course that drops more. Hey  there's a maths application right there! And one that can help you IRL right now, to boot!
What are the textbooks?
Wolfram Alpha will be better at Calc I, or at least typing your problems will be easy more consistently.
Which one uses a more popular textbook? Look for # of reviews on Amazon. I'm guessing Calc I. This is important because you have a better chance at finding answers for online homework, and a better chance at finding an instructor's edition of the textbook to download. Either way, please do pirate your textbook if you can. You have a civic obligation to. Pirate it and burn it when you're finished.
Often, you can find PDFs from class handouts and lecture slides and stuff on .edu sites with some clever googling. This is a really great way to get answers, because chances are your instructor is using recycled sample problems too and not coming up with their own. Problems in online homework are VERY often like this  do you really think your instructors make all that clip art themselves? This method becomes more and more viable if the textbook is more popular.
Look at how easy it is to cheat at MasteringPhysics for example. Pearson has a lot of universities including mine by contracts to make all the nontenured faculty force their $300 shit books on students that several faculty members I know already don't care about. So they're disproportionately popular across the country, such that there are entire websites dedicated to cheating at the material! I think that's a world record for asshole publishers shooting themselves in the foot.
The take away is even if it's not directly related to your major, IT STILL GOES ON YOUR TRANSCRIPT and the workload WILL impact your performance in other courses that ARE in sequences you care about!
Be selfserving with your GURs unless there's a subject taught by a good prof that you actually also care about.
I'm majoring in disillusionment BTW.

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Re: Calculus 1 or Calculus with Applications for Bio. major? [Re: Wah]
#23104358  04/10/16 08:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) 


Also! USE YOUTUBE. MIT and Yale both have decent lecture series on all of the mail calc iiii topics. Depending on your syllabus you may have extra sections, or some may be omitted (Newton's method of finding roots is almost always skipped at my college for example). I've never looked for a "general calculus" lecture.
As an aside. Make sure you know a few trig identities. The Pythagorean relation, and HalfAngle relations show up in integral calculus (calc II). I didn't, it made the homework slightly more difficult for a few sections. I'm pretty sure I missed a question on an exam because I forgot about the half angle formula.
I always found calculus much more interesting than previous math courses.
 


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