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InvisibleSwami
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No such thing as a hand...
    #2303298 - 02/05/04 02:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is a sort of sequel to my cookie analogy.

I contend that there is no such "thing" as a hand other than as a linguistic device. Some may ask me how that can be as everyone can readily point to it. I don't think so. Put a thousand doctors in an autopsy room and ask them to remove a hand. No two will remove it at the same point as there IS NO demarcation line between hand and non-hand other than some imaginary and arbitrary point. Once removed is it still a hand without blood? With no tendons connected to make it flex? With no nerve connection to control the flexing? No warmth? A hand separated from the body is NOT a hand at all.

How often to we confuse lingusitic devices with reality?


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303313 - 02/05/04 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

isn't that the starting point for abstract thought though?- separating that which is grouped..

The move from qualitative to quantitative belongs to the same idea..


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303327 - 02/05/04 02:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I gotta hand it to you...hands, like most everything, exist as concepts.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303331 - 02/05/04 02:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hey! get your linguistic device off my ass!


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303335 - 02/05/04 02:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh wait, that sounded totally wrong, er.. never mind.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303340 - 02/05/04 02:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Freudian Slip, you're caught red handed.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303346 - 02/05/04 02:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
hey! get your linguistic device off my ass!



*hey! get your linguistic device off my linguistic device!


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2303357 - 02/05/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it was no freudian slip. it was supposed to be "wrong", just not THAT wrong! :wink:


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303360 - 02/05/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When is it bed time in Neverland?









When the big hand touches the little hand.

(sorry, I thought this might be the appropriate time for this)


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2303375 - 02/05/04 02:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Flipped on the "news" and saw the Janet Jackson breast flap (now, now, people!). Apparently the critics don't know there is no such thing as a breast, either. "Well, you can show up to here, but displaying beyond this imaginary point is verboten and will collapse western civilization as we know it."


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303388 - 02/05/04 02:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and that's a bad thing how?


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303396 - 02/05/04 02:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Everybody knows that your body is dirty and something to be ashamed of. Now go wash your hands!


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2303414 - 02/05/04 02:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I gotta hand it to you...hands, like most everything, exist as concepts.

"I'm getting darned tired of your off-hand remarks," said the amputee.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303432 - 02/05/04 02:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, I was working at a Home Depot through a temp service the other night. We were installing the fifteen foot high metal shelves that comprise the lawn and garden section. One of my coworkers only had one hand. He had a claw type thing that he could open and close by manipulating a cable that attatched to his shoulder. It seemed like he had mechanical advantage, because he only need one wrench when tightening bolts. Also, he only had one hand that got cold when working in freezing temperatures.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2303444 - 02/05/04 02:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A bar patron asked the pirate, who was missing a hand and an eye, how he lost the hand.

Pirate: "Arr, a shark bit me hand off."

Patron: "Well what about the eye?"

Pirate: "Got a speck in me eye and forgot about me new hook."


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2303450 - 02/05/04 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I will not be outdone! Even though you do have quite a handle on things.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2304531 - 02/05/04 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've got to hand it to you... I am amused.

In most cases, linguistic devices are damn handy. On the other hand, I'm sure there are a handful of situations where linguistic devices don't exactly lend a helping hand.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Sclorch]
    #2304622 - 02/05/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

where does the exact socal boundary begin?? how about "the south"? where's that line? its like this for lots of things.


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: TODAY]
    #2304648 - 02/05/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of things? Don't you mean every thing?


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Re: No such thing as a hand... [Re: Swami]
    #2304751 - 02/05/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"How often to we confuse lingusitic devices with reality?"

Every day, as it is often necessary for simple exchange of ideas and for cooperative and collaborative efforts


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