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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: wyldeman007]
#8608965 - 07/08/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: wyldeman007]
#8608998 - 07/08/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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wyldeman007 said: Hasn't anyone brought up Achems razor yet?
And tell us, O wise one, what answer you think Occam's Razor provides in this case? I don't think that's clear at all.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8609028 - 07/08/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it's perfectly clear, unless you really want to believe the conspiracies.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: zouden]
#8609045 - 07/08/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only someone who subscribes blindly to the official story would say that.
Just as only a troofer would tell you WTC 1 and 2 were controlled demolisions.
Whenever this issue comes up, everyone on both sides are closeminded about it.
Everyone just needs to admit they don't know what the fuck they're talking about and be done with it if they're unwilling to consider any alternative position as remotely tenable.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8610224 - 07/08/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have considered the alternative position as remotely tenable. But it's just not as likely as the "official story".
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Ego Death]
#8610284 - 07/08/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah oops! *Occam's
There is no absolute truth in anything really, only degrees of uncertainty. As a skeptic I highly doubt that a multitude of ad populum and appeal to authority 9/11 conspiracy arguments hold any water. There isn't any good reason to believe 9/11 was an inside job. The Bush administration could have taken advantage of the situation regardless. For a long time, the only thing that held my suspicion was the near free-fall collapse issue, every other argument is very desperate and extremely improbable.
Here is a REAL, testable theory on the progressive collapse of the towers. It details the "pancaking", and more importantly, it details how a collapse could have occurred at NEAR free-fall speed from the antecedent airliners. NO thermite no demolition necessary!
You can't seriously hope to argue against this with the kind of ammo you're supplying.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: wyldeman007]
#8610431 - 07/08/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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wyldeman007 said: Yeah oops! *Occam's
There is no absolute truth in anything really, only degrees of uncertainty. As a skeptic I highly doubt that a multitude of ad populum and appeal to authority 9/11 conspiracy arguments hold any water. There isn't any good reason to believe 9/11 was an inside job. The Bush administration could have taken advantage of the situation regardless. For a long time, the only thing that held my suspicion was the near free-fall collapse issue, every other argument is very desperate and extremely improbable.
Here is a REAL, testable theory on the progressive collapse of the towers. It details the "pancaking", and more importantly, it details how a collapse could have occurred at NEAR free-fall speed from the antecedent airliners. NO thermite no demolition necessary!
You can't seriously hope to argue against this with the kind of ammo you're supplying.
Aliens did it.
There, I just proved you wrong.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: WakeboardrB] 2
#8610457 - 07/08/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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"But it wasn't until the great Dawkins met his lovely bride Garrison that he realized tha being right wasn't enough; you have to be a complete dick to everyone who disagrees with you." (from Go God Go)
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8610965 - 07/09/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said: "But it wasn't until the great Dawkins met his lovely bride Garrison that he realized tha being right wasn't enough; you have to be a complete dick to everyone who disagrees with you." (from Go God Go)
lol, thats funny.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: AegentMonty]
#8611136 - 07/09/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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And topical
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: blewmeanie]
#23028649 - 03/21/16 02:03 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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Trying to formulate theories is how this world has had scientific advance...yeah.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: SDL309]
#23028656 - 03/21/16 02:13 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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SDL309 said: Trying to formulate theories is how this world has had scientific advance...yeah.
Only relatively recently, before modern science it was natural philosophy, and that worked pretty well at the time too.
But none of that matters. We're not even talking about science! The scientific method can't be applied to everything, otherwise you're as dogmatic as an orthodox.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: wyldeman007]
#23028660 - 03/21/16 02:21 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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This may be pointless but my ex-husband is a structural engineer @ JPL,He never bought into it not being a inside job. and while yes thermite was found in the dust. His belief was that it was something altogether different.
Since when has fire had the ability to cause or had the ability to turn the the remains of a burning building into Dust...name one building that was made of the same components, in the entire history of mankind that it was the case.
Most of the remains were pulverized into dust, while Paper survived,passports of the so-called terrorist as well.The odd thing is when Muslims go on their holy crusades, the know and accept that they will be giving their life for their cause.Then why would they need suitcases and passports?
Critical thinking is a lost art.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: SDL309]
#23028716 - 03/21/16 03:22 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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Critical thinking absolutely is a lost art.
This thread proves it in spades.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#23028743 - 03/21/16 03:49 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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Loaded Shaman said: Critical thinking absolutely is a lost art.
This thread proves it in spades.
People talking about thinking critical usually just mean "Believe in my believes cuz they're more rational!!"
And that's not very rational to me.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#23028783 - 03/21/16 04:24 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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Turtletotem said:
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Loaded Shaman said: Critical thinking absolutely is a lost art.
This thread proves it in spades.
People talking about thinking critical usually just mean "Believe in my believes cuz they're more rational!!"
And that's not very rational to me.
I agree. Hence, my original statement.
It's always one person simply being super-confident that the information they have (mainstream or otherwise) is 100% correct, valid, and void of error or deception.
The only thing worse than a gullible "conspiracy theorist" is a gullible "skeptic" who parrots mainstream media like it's been filtered for safety from any sort of intentional deception.
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#23028797 - 03/21/16 04:37 AM (8 years, 10 days ago) |
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Loaded Shaman said:
I agree. Hence, my original statement.
It's always one person simply being super-confident that the information they have (mainstream or otherwise) is 100% correct, valid, and void of error or deception.
The only thing worse than a gullible "conspiracy theorist" is a gullible "skeptic" who parrots mainstream media like it's been filtered for safety from any sort of intentional deception.
I think we are in agreement on that
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Re: why are conspiracy theories always negative? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23028925 - 03/21/16 06:16 AM (8 years, 9 days ago) |
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Turtletotem said:
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Loaded Shaman said:
I agree. Hence, my original statement.
It's always one person simply being super-confident that the information they have (mainstream or otherwise) is 100% correct, valid, and void of error or deception.
The only thing worse than a gullible "conspiracy theorist" is a gullible "skeptic" who parrots mainstream media like it's been filtered for safety from any sort of intentional deception.
I think we are in agreement on that
, good sir.
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