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Updated with third Jan 2016 trip: Trip report 15 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia
    #21901313 - 07/05/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just wanted to write down a few thoughts about yesterday's trip in Amsterdam on 10 grams of atlantis sclerotia called dragon slayer, albeit slightly different than the atlantis my partner took - his had 3 stars in terms of strength while mine had 4. This was not dragon's dynamite--it is apparently related to atlantis--though I did buy some for another time.

We went back to our hotel room and organised our play list a bit and found some good options.

He took his first and mainly felt a half-asleep feeling for the first 1.5 hours. I then took mine, expecting very little.

I felt some nausea though we both took them on an empty stomach - I took two motilium and the nausea went away.

I felt the need to lie down, and I then put on my eye mask. We were listening to Pet Sounds and this continued on repeat for an hour or two. I had various visuals with my eyes closed, but none were very, very vivid. However, they were interesting and not unpleasant - beginning with different lights moving, and then moving more toward faces, very dream-like.

In terms of physical and mental sensations, there was definitely a feeling of elation and wonder. I also felt very strong empathy with the lyrics of the songs. This was also true when my partner helped me switch to headphones. The music sounded amazing, and I heard things on familiar songs that I had never before noticed. I was especially sensitive to New Order's Blue Monday, which seemed disturbing at times, though I felt empathy, and which seemed like it would never end. But mostly I felt extreme joy and empathy with others and some of the lyrics I listened to felt like they applied to my life. Other songs were simply incredibly enjoyable and offered less insight. I recall saying to my partner that all music is made for people on this.

Physically, I did not want to speak or be touched very much, only when necessary. I felt very heavy and partially paralyzed, though I could move when needed or when trying. At one point, i told my partner and we laughed together about it, a bit like being in a straightjacket. I also felt at one point that I was dissolving and that my hands were not my own, but this did not worry me. I think the eye mask increased this since I could not see myself. I also breathed heavily at times - I suppose this was the wave experience some people have mentioned. I did not feel too anxious, but I breathed like I was, and I could make myself take deep breaths in between waves of intensity. My face also wanted to freeze at times in a look of awe or wonder - I could not close my jaw at times. I told my partner not to look at me since I knew I must look silly but nonetheless had no control over this.

My lunch the previous day with a colleague seemed far away, and I also had thoughts about how I would go to work and act normal after experiencing this. I felt like I was somehow understood by the song writers and vice versa.

I took off the sleep mask toward the end of this 3-4 hour journey, and I could see a movie poster online as 3D and had difficulties focusing on print. I looked out the window and saw a lady making tea in her kitchen window. This made me laugh a little and I felt connected to her. The leaves on the trees looked better than usual, as did the sky.

It was also quite warm in our room, so this may have intensified things for me. I also take a tricyclic antidepressant, and i believe this partially explains my intense experience with my partner's more mild experience - he takes an SSRI and is also bigger and taller than i am.

All in all, I would do it again, but to me, this is definitely not something to take alone or with someone you do not trust. It was fairly disabling, but still pretty amazing and more than I expected. I really enjoyed a walk through the Vondelpark today, and I felt more laid back than my usual anxious self. I also think my sense of smell was temporarily stronger as flowers smelled amazing today.

Anyway, I hope this helps someone looking for information. This was my first experience with truffles.


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #21908379 - 07/07/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice report. Thank you for sharing!


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21909948 - 07/07/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you! I am glad to share. It was really helpful to read other people's experiences here before I tried the truffles.


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #21910313 - 07/07/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Always interested in sclerotia trip reports.....thanks for posting!

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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21923008 - 07/10/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for a well informative report. Very helpful as I am about to do a 10g dry truffles session very soon.

If you mentioned it in the report, sorry but I can't remember, how did you take them?


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: scorps1212]
    #21929276 - 07/11/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Glad it is useful to you.
I just ate them on an empty stomach. They are the consistency of nuts. A bitter aftertaste starts to build up, but I just drank some water and it helped. Some mints might be a good idea next time.


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #22033939 - 08/02/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is a follow-up to my first post. I bought additional sclerotia and took them this weekend. Last weekend I also took some of the 'dragon's dynamite,' but only half of the 15 gram packet. Very little to report from it - no comparison with the 10 grams of 'dragon slayer.'

So this third time, I took the exact same kind that I took the first time in Amsterdam - same brand, same type, etc. It sat in my refrigerator for a month, so I assumed that it would be weaker. Also, since the 'dragon's dynamite' was not very impressive - just a dreamy feeling and I listened to music (which was, again, insightful, but not 'full on' like the first time)... I expected that the second trip of dragon slayer (a type of Atlantis sclerotia as far as I know) would not be very powerful.

Boy was I wrong. It came on within 10-15 minutes of eating it. I did feel some nausea, and the sclerotia certainly tasted worse than when I ate them closer to their packaging date (these were still within the expiration date by 1 month, though they had been unrefrigerated for about 24 hours in the middle of a heat wave...).

I needed to use the restroom since I drank so much water to get rid of the taste. From what I understand, sugar should be avoided to have a stronger effect, so I just drank water and ate a few mints. My legs were already wobbly walking to the restroom.

My vision was very clear at a certain point - I could notice a lot of details and colors were vibrant. The flowers in my kitchen, the view from my kitchen window over the backyard with some wild flowers... so beautiful. I also found that I wanted (or the shrooms wanted... ;-)) for me to walk in a funny way, bending my knees as I walked. I thought "now I know why they walked like this in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas!" How silly, but I really couldn't help it. Maybe I should work in the Ministry of Funny Walks, at least on shrooms.

I had a pretty powerful experience at one point, where I said to my partner that I wasn't sure my work colleagues existed. After all, he had never met them. So perhaps it was all fictional? I also felt I understood Philip K. Dick's thoughts on this matter. Uh oh. I felt like I was having a dissociative experience (spelling?) - I was not sure that it was really me or another person who had had lunch with a colleague the previous day.

Then there was the elation. Brooklyn 999 happened to be on TV. Oh, that was very funny and confusing, too! I laughed so hard, uncontrollably! I would often say, though, "I don't understand - what??" The face of one of the women on the show would move around a bit. There is a certain "shroomy" vision that I get, I think. It is kind of like viewing things through a glass or something, her nose would move around, but not the other people! Lol.

Then there was the part where my eyes really wanted to close, but I would force myself to open them. Then there were some interesting open-eye visuals. The picture of the New York skyline on the wall was also changing color - it is very muted normally, but it was orange and black. When doing this, my eyes felt like they did when I once stayed awake for 36 hours. They just wanted to roll back into my head, but it was worth it to see things differently!

All in all, it was a long trip. I took them around 3pm, and even around 10.30pm, I was still feeling it. I had some great realizations listening to Ray Charles and watching an airplane in the sky outside my bedroom window. I realized how people have been put down and dominated...and yet, listening to his music, you can see that the human spirit cannot be crushed. It made me cry to listen to this, but in a good way. The airplane made me feel wonder for all the things that have been imagined and created against all odds.

I also had a period where I felt quite sad and realized how meaningless so much of what we do is - e.g., jobs, competition, people wanting what they can't have and creating misery for themselves and others. I said to my husband that I realize why these mushrooms are illegal because they create these thoughts. Alcohol and other drugs usually just numb you rather than creating these sorts of breakthroughs. It made me want to believe in and go for my dreams even more. It makes material things seem even less important than they did.

I also read about Helen Keller who has this quote "life is either a daring adventure or nothing." I was able to read much more this time and to get some insight out of what I read.

I believe that if I take these once per month or so, it can be a very good thing. I think that if you take mushrooms seriously (or sclerotia as the case may be), you can have some amazing realizations. Just be prepared not to be the same and to find conversations about ordinary material concerns extremely boring! You may also find it difficult to remain in a meaningless job, as I have. I have the option to quit, and I am thankful to be able to do so.

Some might say "what about the security?", but as I read more of the Helen Keller quote, it turns out that she also wrote that:
"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold." Let Us Have Faith (1940), and
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing."
The Open Door (1957)

Well, I hope some of these insights leave you with something. I really am impressed by them as someone who has suffered a lot from anxiety and depression. They have really helped me, I think, though they are not a cure all. I believe that many people -- myself included -- have suffered pointlessly when there is a medication, psilocybin/psilocin, with real potential, not to numb us but to allow us to feel wonder and happiness again. Some of the recent scientific studies were part of my motivation to try this with my partner, though I believe his SSRI is limiting its effect for him. As I said, it is not a cure all, but it reassures me that depression is not permanent and does not have to be a permanent part of my life.

I also did not take any drugs before this (other than my antidepressant and anti-anxiety medications). I took marijuana occasionally 1997-2001, that was the last time until recently when I was searching for something to change/improve my life in the plant world... But I have not found marijuana to give me any insight, though it can be pleasant and relaxing. Mushrooms are a really amazing creation, and I hope that they can help others in the future...I hope scientists really can prove their value and they can also be more widely available. Thank goodness for Amsterdam and the people who grow them.

My partner likens it to a religious experience based on what I've told him. I slept very well last night after this adventure!

I would be interested to hear what others have learned from their experiences - was it similar?


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #22034016 - 08/02/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, I will add one thing about trip #2 on "dragon's dynamite," the less impressive trip last weekend. The one thing that came across during this was a song that said "you're not getting any younger." It motivated me to make a change in my life, to look for something better job-wise but also life-wise, and to not let myself get trapped by material things. I also realized clearly that my life with my husband is very good and worth much more than these other external things (jobs, etc.)


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Re: Trip report 10 grams 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #22036595 - 08/03/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's interesting that the "Dragon Slayer" are stronger than the "Dragon's Dynamite" (although the potency of these things can vary over time - the Dragon's Dynamite were horrifyingly strong when they first came out a few years ago).

I tried 15g of the "Galindoii" truffles from the same people that do the "Dragon Slayer", but all I got after about 90 minutes was a stoned feeling - even though the Galindoii are advertised as being their strongest.

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I believe that many people -- myself included -- have suffered pointlessly when there is a medication, psilocybin/psilocin, with real potential, not to numb us but to allow us to feel wonder and happiness again.




Very well said, I'm glad this stuff is a positive experience for you.

There's an interesting little article in the news section which I've just read, where Professor David Nutt is reported as suggesting much the same thing about the potential as a treatment for depression.

I think a bit of wonder can work wonders, especially when you've been gradually numbed by life in general.

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I would be interested to hear what others have learned from their experiences - was it similar?




Your experiences are similar to what I would get on this kind of dose. The visual changes, the feeling of heaviness and wanting to lie down, thinking about things in a way which feels significant, realizations and insight into life in general, elevated mood / euphoria. 

I'm not sure I would describe it as "learning" as such, but I think the experience does widen your outlook and make you think in abstract and unusual ways. It can be difficult to make real changes to your life based purely on these kind of experiences, but at least you get a different perspective on life and a feeling of renewed positivity.

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Jan 2016 trip, 15gr: Trip report 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #22992348 - 03/10/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Hi all,

I haven't logged in lately, but I have another trip report re: 15 grams of dragonslayer in Amsterdam.

Ate them as usual, though the taste was awful! I find it gets worse over time.

Took them in a hotel room. Was in a pretty calm state...but unfortunately looked at my emails after taking them and got really stressed (some annoying work email on  Saturday around new years!).

So unfortunately, I began the trip in a negative state of mind. I was listening to Marvin Gaye, but his songs did not help at all.

I can't remember everything as it was 2 months ago, but it was a VERY strong trip to me. The floor of the bathroom looked like mushrooms were growing out of it.

I was brave and looked in the mirror - I looked so young and so old.

I had experienced a very negative family issue in November. I thought enough time had passed, but I felt a great deal of grief (had to cut off contact with someone I used to admire).

So I felt very deep emotions and cried although probably cathartic as I did feel better in the coming days, and I guess I did have a spiritual sort of moment as I haven't cried like that in a while.

I had also been preoccupied with an upcoming work meeting, which I  sure contributed to the weird ass trip.

Luckily my husband did not take any, so he was able to reassure me and help me when I was disorientated.

I also felt at one of the worst / most annoying points that a suburb-like building design was being traced on my body. It was worse that awful jet lag / no sleep for 24 hours feeling.

Also, lots of fear - of the furniture in the dark room, of someone hiding behind a door, etc.

I just waited it out, but I got very li sleep.

I do think it had positive effects, though - my work meetings went well and I felt much more open and able to make connections, even with colleagues I previously did not like / trust. I was able to approach people more easily and felt a bit charismatic, not my usual feeling in a crowded room of strangers. Even discussed a bit with a person who also takes mushrooms on occasion, and while I should probably keep it on the low down, it was nice to know I'm not the only secret shroomer out there.

Also, a general comment: certain songs remind me of my different mushroom experiences and help to put me back in a positive or less stressed mood.

Thought you all would appreciate this article on wonder, either when tripping or not...

https://aeon.co/essays/why-wonder-is-the-most-human-of-all-emotions


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Re: Jan 2016 trip, 15gr: Trip report 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #22992386 - 03/10/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Probably also relevant that this was my first nighttime trip on sclerotia.


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Re: Jan 2016 trip, 15gr: Trip report 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: mushmolls]
    #23001099 - 03/12/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

sucks when stuck in the future, like when you couldn't stop thinking about work even though you weren't at work or even close to being at work.

have you ever taken more than 15g?

ps: all that names stuff like dragon or whatever is all crap, all of it, sclerotia is all mexicana. if you're interested.


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Re: Jan 2016 trip, 15gr: Trip report 'dragon slayer' atlantis sclerotia [Re: filthyknees]
    #23003173 - 03/13/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Hi, thanks a lot for your message. Yeah, if I had just focused a bit more and closed my emails,I think it would have been better.

I've never taken more than 15g. Not sure I am ready! It seems that 10g is best for me so far.

Yeah, all these names are confusing. I've always stayed with the same one because I want to compare and also maybe avoid one that is too strong / weak. I think it is possible that not all 10g sclerotia are the same. Like I took  another that was supposed to be strong from the same place and it barely had any effect at 7.5 grams.


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