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Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. * 1
    #23000102 - 03/12/16 04:36 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinise factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #23000121 - 03/12/16 04:42 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Sun King]
    #23000134 - 03/12/16 04:48 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23000135 - 03/12/16 04:48 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinise factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?



Oh yea Trump is a genius on multiple fronts its just the mainstream media has convinced dullard Americans that the unfair trade deals and illegal invasion somehow benefit them.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Loyola10] * 2
    #23000139 - 03/12/16 04:48 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

What is unfair about them?


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #23000144 - 03/12/16 04:50 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
What is unfair about them?



They benefit other nations more than the USA and ignore other nations tampering like China with their currency manipulation.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Loyola10]
    #23000157 - 03/12/16 04:55 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

The US manipulates its currency to what it perceives to be advantageous.  There are pluses for a strong currency and pluses for a weak currency.  Whatever China is doing it is not working very well for China.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23000164 - 03/12/16 04:57 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

This is a great place to sway the vote. On shroomery.org. On this site you can be sure that people are going to vote for the next president that won't smoke weed in office. I value every word said here in argument and would never assume people here talk so much shit just for the sake of stirring shit up on the internet.

But to be serious for a minute. Who cares? This election shit is fanatical. When I was a kid people didn't have riots over who was going to be elected as president. People had riots over decisions the president made. Yes. MAYBE people would have a serious protest over who was going to win as president in the final elections. Rioting during the primary voting period though?

Do you find the world to be full of sane people who are of the ability to perform sound argument in a body and mind capable of decision making? How many people got hurt in that kkk rally where a bunch of protesters got stabbed and a bunch of kkk members got the crap beaten out them? Huh? I think it was a total of only 7 people getting hurt. Now how about the amount of people arrested or hurt during that Trump rally?

The fact is I don't know because I'm barely paying attention anymore. I do know the world has changed around me and people are fanatical about this president shit. In a way I've never seen before. It's as though the next president will change the fate of whether world war 3 ends or not. I don't know why people care so much now they are rushing each other over disagreements taking place during the primary elections long before the final elections. I don't know and don't care.

What I want to know is where you think this discussion will go? I want to know why you give a shit about the opinions of anyone that supports a single thing Trump has ever done with his life. Would you argue with the Nazi party until one of them pulled out a knife on you for disagreeing with them?


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Loyola10]
    #23000174 - 03/12/16 05:00 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinise factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?



Oh yea Trump is a genius on multiple fronts its just the mainstream media has convinced dullard Americans that the unfair trade deals and illegal invasion somehow benefit them.




How about Bernie Sanders? Do you also think he is a genius on multiple fronts? According to the main stream media he is Jesus. If the main stream media is sometimes wrong then what does that make Bernie Sanders? I thought he was god


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: imachavel]
    #23000186 - 03/12/16 05:03 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

imachavel said:
Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinise factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?



Oh yea Trump is a genius on multiple fronts its just the mainstream media has convinced dullard Americans that the unfair trade deals and illegal invasion somehow benefit them.




How about Bernie Sanders? Do you also think he is a genius on multiple fronts? According to the main stream media he is Jesus. If the main stream media is sometimes wrong then what does that make Bernie Sanders? I thought he was god



Bernie is right on trade and wrong on everything else fuck socialist scum like him.

Edited by Loyola10 (03/12/16 05:03 PM)

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Loyola10] * 1
    #23000197 - 03/12/16 05:06 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

imachavel said:
Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinise factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?



Oh yea Trump is a genius on multiple fronts its just the mainstream media has convinced dullard Americans that the unfair trade deals and illegal invasion somehow benefit them.




How about Bernie Sanders? Do you also think he is a genius on multiple fronts? According to the main stream media he is Jesus. If the main stream media is sometimes wrong then what does that make Bernie Sanders? I thought he was god



Bernie is right on trade and wrong on everything else fuck socialist scum like him.




No need to insult him. The guy has his ideas and he's trying to sell them to the public.

I don't know why socialism is so fucking hated in the US. It's as if everybody's mother have been killed by socialism


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23000202 - 03/12/16 05:07 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #23000206 - 03/12/16 05:08 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

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It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.



Godamn right its a failed ideology fuck the cunts that peddle it.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #23000241 - 03/12/16 05:19 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23000247 - 03/12/16 05:20 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.



Stop fooling yourself the norweigian countries use capitalism. They just have higher taxes and more programs than the US. If they didn't have oil they would be sunk and fucked.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #23000254 - 03/12/16 05:22 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




On the other hand compared to all the other idiots running against him Bernie Sanders might be the best choice. I'd prefer socialist regulations over the usual communist Romney types or the "capitalist in disguise" Obama types.

What pisses me off so much though about Bernie supporters though is they are usually the same mindless fucks that supported Obama relentlessly during both campaigns.

.... blah......

I just can't think of anything else to say. I imagine voters and think of Jews in the Ukraine in world war 2. Nazi's coming in from the West. Russians coming in from the East. Everyone hates Jews. Screwed if you do. Screwed if you don't.

That's what comes to mind when I imagine the voter. "Hurry and choose before we all die."

Sometimes what seems real is nothing close to reality. Voting is a choice. You have several choices. You can even choose if you want to vote or not. Yet 95% of the people who vote have no fucking idea who they are voting for. They don't research their candidate to see who he was before he tried to run for president and made a bunch of broken promises he doesn't intend to keep 3 weeks into his first year of his first term.

Those aren't great statistics


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: imachavel]
    #23000264 - 03/12/16 05:25 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

America prints more money everday, than hasbro prints monopoly money.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Loyola10]
    #23000266 - 03/12/16 05:25 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.



Stop fooling yourself the norweigian countries use capitalism. They just have higher taxes and more programs than the US. If they didn't have oil they would be sunk and fucked.




Please tell me that you don't think that socialism means not using capitalism... Capitalism works with or without socialism. Its an economic system. Socilism is a government system.

Also, the natural ressource argument is fine, but you have to realize that the map was drawn long ago and that natural resources are luck of the draw. You do what you can with what you have.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23000268 - 03/12/16 05:26 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke.




would that be a dolphin or a whal's fluke?



Quote:

Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.






this shows your lack of understanding of what trump said

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23000273 - 03/12/16 05:28 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success

Of course, there have been failures.

The problem is not democracy. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.






I agree with that. Although it's not what you said. I agree.

Btw, what is so great about New Zealand? Also, what is so terrible about Australia? There is a type of government you didn't even mention:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23000274 - 03/12/16 05:29 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

TORCUTT said:
America prints more money everday, than hasbro prints monopoly money.




Your point?


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23000280 - 03/12/16 05:30 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't know why socialism is so fucking hated in the US. It's as if everybody's mother have been killed by socialism




Actually, you're close. It's the fact that we don't want our mothers killed by socialism


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23000297 - 03/12/16 05:36 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Loyola10 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.



Stop fooling yourself the norweigian countries use capitalism. They just have higher taxes and more programs than the US. If they didn't have oil they would be sunk and fucked.




Please tell me that you don't think that socialism means not using capitalism... Capitalism works with or without socialism. Its an economic system. Socilism is a government system.




Don't bother, none of the fervent anti-socialism crew is capable of understanding this.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23000305 - 03/12/16 05:42 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinese factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?




Interesting coming from you Patlal, can't say I disagree.
We've only got one earth :/ pollution sucks.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: imachavel]
    #23000310 - 03/12/16 05:44 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

imachavel said:
Quote:

TORCUTT said:
America prints more money everday, than hasbro prints monopoly money.




Your point?




Money is worthless and the Chinese could have more than less to do with it.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: The5thBeatle]
    #23000317 - 03/12/16 05:45 PM (8 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

The5thBeatle said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Alright, so the guy wants to start taxing Chinese product if they don't stop devaluing their currency.

It's obvious to everybody that there is no way in hell China will take orders from the US o there will no doubt be a tax.

It'll increase the price of consumer product coming from China and that's a good thing because:

A) Most of their products are low quality and a lot are useless novelty shit so the tax will reduce consumerism

B) In that effect, higher price = lower demand. US citizen will buy less shit due to price sensitivity therefore Chinese factories will shut down.

C) Biggest polluters on earth: USA and China. Reason: The useless Chinese crap end up in US garbage dumps and the Chinese production blows black smoke in the air

So technically, it's safe to assume that the environment will benefit greatly from a Trump presidency

Makes sense?




Interesting coming from you Patlal, can't say I disagree.
We've only got one earth :/ pollution sucks.




Why are you surprised. I've always been on the fence about the environment.


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    #23002463 - 03/13/16 11:55 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.




Sweden and Norway about to get fucked by in the first case an invasion of welfare bums and norway by that plus the decline of its oil revenue.  Canada also has the luxury of oil revenue to fund its bums.  I don't know enough about either Australia or new Zealand to opine but you left out some other catastrophic failures.  Like China, the Soviet Union and North Korea.  It always craters in the end.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #23002486 - 03/13/16 12:04 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
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zappaisgod said:
It has failed and impoverished billions for centuries and across the whole globe.




And yet, there are several example of success.

Sweden
Norway
Canada
Germany
Australia
New Zealand

All more socialist than the US and doing better than the US.

Of course, there have been failures. Greece, France, Ireland. Etc.

The problem is not socialism. The problem is how you implement it. If you do it too quickly or too radically, it'll fail. But if you slowly build it, analyze the effects and adjust, it'll work.

Ways to fail:

- Vote in 10 social programs
- Raise taxes too high

Ways to succeed:

- Vote 1 program at a time and wait 5 years to see what happens
- After 5 years, decide if the program should stay and analyze the real costs
- If program 1 has worked. Implement program 2, repeat.




Sweden and Norway about to get fucked by in the first case an invasion of welfare bums and norway by that plus the decline of its oil revenue.  Canada also has the luxury of oil revenue to fund its bums.  I don't know enough about either Australia or new Zealand to opine but you left out some other catastrophic failures.  Like China, the Soviet Union and North Korea.  It always craters in the end.




Come on man... Comparing these countries to CHina the USSR and North Korea is unfair... Where do you see the similarities.

Also, you do realize that the US has the luxury of oil revenue right? As in, the biggest producer in the world. The US won big in the natural resource department. Gold, oil, dimand, coal, Iron, copper. Name it, you probably have it. Also, here's a thought. If the US were to nationalize oil. Meant, the people would own the the oil revenue, not the CEO and those able to afford stocks. That would be hundreds of billions of revenue for the US government, the jobs would still be needed and the investors would simply find a new company to invest in. It's an option. It'll never happen. But it's an option. Politicians wouldn't be able to handle it because they would overspend and when oil price fall they would be fucked, but hey, an idea is an idea.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23002507 - 03/13/16 12:14 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

thats some dangerous talk comrade


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23002580 - 03/13/16 12:40 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

I don't think there'll be enough of a difference in both trade volume and consumption due to the proposed tax to change the environment significantly.

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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23002743 - 03/13/16 01:45 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

We do not rely on oil exports to support our economy.  Never have.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #23002772 - 03/13/16 01:55 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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We do not rely on oil exports to support our economy.  Never have.




You wouldn't even need to export it. Pump it, sell it to consumers, write the revenue into the federal budget.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23002962 - 03/13/16 03:07 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

Oh yeah I'm sure nationalization of oil production would go down perfectly well with the companies making nearly a trillion $ yearly off US resources.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: twighead]
    #23002965 - 03/13/16 03:09 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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Oh yeah I'm sure nationalization of oil production would go down perfectly well with the companies making nearly a trillion $ yearly off US resources.




If congress votes it in. They have no choice.


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: twighead]
    #23002969 - 03/13/16 03:11 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

Fuck those funds. We should lock them up. So!ething so needed shouldn't be in the hands of companies and fucking Muslems
Arabs
Whatever
The worst people in the entire world

You know why there are so fewblacks in the middle East?
Those evil, mean cunts treated them sombad they died Young


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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: Patlal]
    #23002970 - 03/13/16 03:11 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

:lol:

US Lobbying spending



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Re: Oddly enough, I think that the best thing for the environment is Trump because of a fluke. [Re: twighead]
    #23003050 - 03/13/16 03:49 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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:lol:

US Lobbying spending






That's like 30 billion dollars (quick estimate)

There are 635 congressmen/senators

So that roughly 50 million dollars per head spent on lobbying per year.

Now of course there are costs to lobbying but even if 1% of that money goes into the politician's pocket, that's 500k a year.

Now I love my own values, but for 500k, I'll put them aside.


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    #23003067 - 03/13/16 03:55 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

They don't perfectly spread it out evenly haha, it'd be concentrated into just a few handfuls of the 'right people' who would work to include beneficial bill riders into all those 2000 page bills that no one even knows what the fuck they contain :lol: Not to mention many congressmen are investors.


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