|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Kalendula

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 666
Loc: Long Island
Last seen: 6 months, 8 days
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: moonzo]
#22879056 - 02/08/16 01:39 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
A bad experience on a very high dose of MG seeds combined with Syrian rue has little relevance to combining rue or caapi and LSD. The primary issue is that morning glory seeds contain at least one ergot-type toxin (in 2004 it was verified that MG seeds are symbiotically infected with ergot fungi*). Secondly, here are eight positive reports on the combination of morning glory seeds and Syrian rue/B caapi
LSA + rue, caapi, or harmine hcl...check this out
I'm really thrilled with what this does to me, it feels so healthy and natural.
Prometheus. "Amazonia's Revenge: experience with H.B. Woodrose & Banisteriopsis caapi (ID 28154)". Erowid.org. Feb 20, 2006. erowid.org/exp/28154
Dan. "Frightening but Informative: experience with H.B. Woodrose & Syrian Rue (ID 38714)". Erowid.org. Dec 28, 2004. erowid.org/exp/38714
curious george. "Great, Cheap, Legal Time: experience with H.B. Woodrose & Syrian Rue (ID 21450)". Erowid.org. Nov 16, 2004. erowid.org/exp/21450
Phantastica. "LSAyahusca: experience with Morning Glory (LSA Extract), Syrian Rue & Cannabis (ID 13619)". Erowid.org. Apr 4, 2002. erowid.org/exp/13619
Phil5673. "Not Quite There: experience with Morning Glory Seeds & Syrian Rue (ID 40440)". Erowid.org. May 15, 2008. erowid.org/exp/40440
Hongkongbong. "Simple Preparation and a Powerful Juice!: experience with Syrian Rue & Morning Glory (ID 62098)". Erowid.org. Mar 4, 2008. erowid.org/exp/62098
Justin. "Lysergic Bioassay I - Visual and Auditory: experience with LSA, Syrian Rue & Salvia divinorum (ID 55483)". Erowid.org. Feb 12, 2007. erowid.org/exp/55483
Justin. "Lysergic Bioassay II - Being a Conduit for Ch: experience with LSA, Syrian Rue, Ritual & Bodywork (ID 55484)". Erowid.org. Feb 12, 2007. erowid.org/exp/55484
*http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/657613-Activity-of-Ergolines-in-Ergot?p=12857227&viewfull=1#post12857227
--------------------
I need this, right?
|
Mike4aco
Soy el pinche guey



Registered: 11/28/15
Posts: 3,812
Loc: This third dimension
Last seen: 2 hours, 24 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Kalendula]
#22879546 - 02/08/16 03:41 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Long reads, but thanks a lot. Gonna be trying it with 2-300 mics LSD tonight, I was wanting to do LSD+ allylescaline, but I've been doing a lot of reading on LSD+ maoi, I don't know which to do now!! But either way, I'm tripping tonight
|
Kalendula

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 666
Loc: Long Island
Last seen: 6 months, 8 days
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
#22879550 - 02/08/16 03:43 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
mescaline is more light hearted than LSD, so start with that!
--------------------
I need this, right?
|
Mike4aco
Soy el pinche guey



Registered: 11/28/15
Posts: 3,812
Loc: This third dimension
Last seen: 2 hours, 24 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Kalendula]
#22879594 - 02/08/16 03:54 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Its allylescaline, a rc. I'm not sure I wanna use that one with an maoi
|
Kalendula

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 666
Loc: Long Island
Last seen: 6 months, 8 days
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
#22879830 - 02/08/16 05:05 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
I am. The MAOI contraindications are very limited. Someone even used MDA, MDE, and MDMA in combination with ayahuasca.*
*See my first post in this thread.
--------------------
I need this, right?
|
Sabnock
Be Your Own Shaman


Registered: 01/02/14
Posts: 3,257
Last seen: 5 hours, 34 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Kalendula]
#22880833 - 02/08/16 09:20 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kalendula said: I am. The MAOI contraindications are very limited. Someone even used MDA, MDE, and MDMA in combination with ayahuasca.*
*See my first post in this thread.
Might want to factor in the CYP liver enzyme inhibition from the Harmalas. Things that are metabolized by 2D6, 1A2, and others, can be potentiated by the inhibition of their metabolism. So if MDMA or others are metabolized by any of the CYP liver enzymes that Harmalas inhibit, the dosage will need to be reduced, though imo i do not advise people mix MDMA or similar substances with Harmalas, but i'm not saying it can't be done, i just wouldn't advise it.
I take a medication for sleep called Tizanidine (i take the 4mg tablet) which is metabolized by CYP1A2, and the enzyme is still inhibited at least 10 hours after taking the Harmalas (ime), and quickly learned that my usual two tablet (8mg) dosage needed to be reduced to a half of a tablet (2mgs), as the inhibition of it's metabolization potentiates it that much.
Edited by Sabnock (02/08/16 09:25 PM)
|
Mike4aco
Soy el pinche guey



Registered: 11/28/15
Posts: 3,812
Loc: This third dimension
Last seen: 2 hours, 24 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Sabnock]
#22880853 - 02/08/16 09:23 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Yeah I forgot to check into the diet and stuff and so I'm gonna postpone for a week. Just got the cid and I got everything else set. I took some allylescaline at 9:10, literally just put 300 mics lsd in my mouth. So I'm hoping I'm about to feel groovy. I'm really excited to try the rue/caapi combo with lsd
|
PsychoKinesiS
Alien Resources Manager
Registered: 08/05/11
Posts: 1,444
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
#22880956 - 02/08/16 09:46 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Dear God why would anyone LOOK to eat Datura willingly? That's what you get in your Ayahuasca brew when you get ripped off, have a horrible trip, and almost die, or actually die.
--------------------
Edited by PsychoKinesiS (02/08/16 09:46 PM)
|
flickedbic
Sojourner



Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 4,676
Loc: Fractalic Fabric
Last seen: 4 days, 4 hours
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: PsychoKinesiS] 1
#22881097 - 02/08/16 10:19 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
No way man, Datura is good if the dosage is good; I don't get obvious effects from three seeds. We as a society need to calm down with this Datura delerium  Just as easily as I decide to have an appetizer before my meal I decide to have a chew of 3-5 Datura seeds before trips on just about everything.
Just wait till I get my hands on and start posting about Nux vomica... your heads gonna explode As in everything, dosage makes the poison... people have died from overdosing water.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
|
PsychoKinesiS
Alien Resources Manager
Registered: 08/05/11
Posts: 1,444
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: flickedbic]
#22881168 - 02/08/16 10:41 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Here's the Erowid for Datura.
Quote:
POSITIVE euphoria surreal interactions with world
NEUTRAL hallucinations, elaborate interaction with hallucinations auditory hallucinations, auditory shifting and effects smoking of phantom cigarettes expands bronchial passages (sometimes used to treat asthma) loss of appetite, thirst inhibits digestion clipped, flat speech slurred speech loss of sense of the passage of time
NEGATIVE dizziness, headache dry mouth, dry eyes inability to focus eyes (can persist for multiple days) nausea, usually without vomiting feeling of weakness sedation, stupor uncoordinated movement fear, anxiety, panic confusion, delirium, impaired cognitive function (sometimes leading to extremely dangerous behavior) amnesia hyperthermia blockade of sweat glands, impairing heat dispersal difficulty breathing numbness cardiac failure possible at large doses
Notice the ratio of positive to negative effects, which is vastly different than that of classic psychedelics, or even research chemicals.
I experienced all of them first hand.
It's hard to control the dosage with Datura. The potency in a single seed can vary as much 10 times.
--------------------
|
flickedbic
Sojourner



Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 4,676
Loc: Fractalic Fabric
Last seen: 4 days, 4 hours
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#22881654 - 02/09/16 04:49 AM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Did you eat only 4 seeds to experience all those negatives? I seriously doubt it... I get some dry mouth is all at that dose.
Many people here eat up to ten seeds on the regular, even at bedtime for dreaming:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14325461
From 69ron:Quote:
SWIM thoroughly chews one seed weighing 8 mg (it's quite good tasting actually) in his mouth and swallows it. With a maximum of 0.7% alkaloids one 8 mg seed can contain up to 56 micrograms of alkaloids, mostly hyoscyamine, but in most cases it will contain half that much.
After about 15 minutes, there's an odd feeling in the stomach and some slight stimulant effects felt. After 20 minutes, the stimulant effect starts to die down, and his body feels a little like he's taken LSD laced with tropane alkaloids, so he knows it's working. After 30 minutes some pleasant mild euphoria is felt. After 40 minutes there's a mild anti-histamine like feel to it but without any sedation at all. After 60 minutes he goes to sleep.
At this point there are no mental effects of any kind, except when he lays in bed with his eyes closed, dreams start almost immediately before he even fall asleep. Within about 5 minutes he falls asleep. It usually takes him about 30 minutes to fall asleep. The Datura stramonium really helps put him to sleep.
So that's pretty typical for SWIM. He normally uses 1-3 seeds and no more than that.
For Datura stramonium the maximum safe pharmaceutical dose recommended is 10 seeds so SWIM never takes anything close to 10 seeds. Overdoses of Datura stramonium are very unpleasant, causing delirium and many fatalities have occurred so never go beyond the recommended 10 seed maximum pharmaceutical dose. At a maximum of 0.7% alkaloids, 10 large 10 mg seeds (most seeds are about 8 mg) could contain 700 micrograms of alkaloids (mostly hyoscyamine) which is a safe adult dose. Hyoscyamine is safe up to 1500 micrograms for an adult. The usual adult dose is 125 micrograms taken 3 times a day.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4467
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
|
PsychoKinesiS
Alien Resources Manager
Registered: 08/05/11
Posts: 1,444
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: flickedbic]
#22882043 - 02/09/16 08:22 AM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
What is the point of playing around with small doses of poisons when there are so many much safer and more rewarding substances out there? You might as well add a dash of heroin and a pinch of cyanide.
--------------------
Edited by PsychoKinesiS (02/09/16 08:24 AM)
|
Mike4aco
Soy el pinche guey



Registered: 11/28/15
Posts: 3,812
Loc: This third dimension
Last seen: 2 hours, 24 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#22882566 - 02/09/16 11:13 AM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
|
|
Could you guys please stop talking about dartura? I nowhere said anything about dartura. I have no interest in it at this time, since the title of this thread was LSD, potentiating and rue, caapi... Maybe we can get on track and that way I can plan a safe LSD and harmala trip (no way shape or form is there gonna be dartura so please stop talking about it!)
|
Mike4aco
Soy el pinche guey



Registered: 11/28/15
Posts: 3,812
Loc: This third dimension
Last seen: 2 hours, 24 minutes
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
#22931478 - 02/21/16 08:16 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
|
|
How long does harmaline stay in your system? I smoked a blunt laced with about half a g+ of Syrian rue last night and smoked the rest of the roach today. Wondering how much maoi is in me and if its cool to smoke more and/or take some psychedelics?
|
Debacle
Stranger


Registered: 01/06/16
Posts: 195
Loc: Idaho
Last seen: 5 months, 4 days
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
#22931646 - 02/21/16 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
|
|
It say online 3-9 hours, never had personal experiences so I'm not positive
|
Kalendula

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 666
Loc: Long Island
Last seen: 6 months, 8 days
|
Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: flickedbic]
#22991119 - 03/10/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
flickedbic said: Just wait till I get my hands on and start posting about Nux vomica... your heads gonna explode As in everything, dosage makes the poison... people have died from overdosing water.
This person says it's better than microdosing: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/503184-Low-doses-of-psychedelics-for-extra-energy-and-as-a-motivational-boost?p=11972780&viewfull=1#post11972780
--------------------
I need this, right?
|
|