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Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics...
    #2298557 - 02/03/04 08:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

The difference between ciphers and codes.


A cipher is a representation of original data that is processed. It is a form of encryption that usually has a mathmematical basis. If you know the cipher, you can decipher information as well as encrypt it.

A code however, has no such derivative. I tell you that the eagle has landed and you refer to your code book for the message.


Human beings are structured. You can take a person and break them down into biological systems that are comprised of muscles and organs. Muscles and organs are composed of tissues which are arrangements of cells. These cells are organic matter which is proteins and amino acids.

My breakdown is arbitrary, I just wanted to demonstrate that a person could eventually be broken down into DNA.

The question:

Is the information present in DNA a code or is it a cipher?


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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2298581 - 02/03/04 08:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

it's a code,
nature's programming language


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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2298588 - 02/03/04 08:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think that a code implies a creator.


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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2298605 - 02/03/04 08:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how so?

there are examples of self-organizing matter in nature.
entirely due to simple physical processes.

ok, maybe code isn't the right word, there's really no way to compare DNA to anything in everyday human experience. it's not a code nor a cipher - it's DNA.


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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2298941 - 02/04/04 12:02 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Choosing the code is choosing a creator. With codes, there is no method to the madness, someone chose G,T,A,C and did their programming.

As you pointed out, there is self organizing matter in nature. I think that this lends itself towards a cipher. The nature of the cipher is that if you have the beginning and understand the cipher, you can predict the end (and vice versa). For arguements sake, say that you isolate the dna of your fingers. For your index finger, the strand is GTTACCCA and for the thumb it is GTTACCCT. You should be able to deduce that the discrepancy between A and T causes the difference between the members.

However, if DNA were a code, the DNA stands would be namesake and no such conclusions could be established.


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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2299788 - 02/04/04 09:09 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hehe, very interesting. :grin:

So, then, who encrypted this DNA in the first place? :wink:

Oh, and I like how you add "can be decrpyted AND encrypted... once you figure out DNA, you can use it to your own, end, eh? Eh?  :eyemouth:
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Re: Ciphers and Codes...metaphysics... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2299832 - 02/04/04 09:48 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

With codes, there is no method to the madness

hmmm. I disagree with this
I think you need to clarify your definitions of cipher and code...


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