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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Rahz]
#27728694 - 04/10/22 11:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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This is going to sound whacky and nonsensical to some but maybe not to others. IME memory in the truest sense of it's appearance in awareness is a timed release. It is not a perpetual experience in awareness (for most?). Even if, once memory appears, certain elements can be understood retroactively to have been the emergence of memory.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Kickle] 1
#27728762 - 04/10/22 12:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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That doesn't sound wacky to me, hence my mention of transient, though I think when talking about the complexity of the brain, trying to simplify the functions can become reductive. The specific type of memory we've been discussing may be different than other functions that access memory. Memory could be used for a great many things and only be aware of some of it in the moment.
Who are we when we're not aware of our identity?
Seems these are stories/memory/creativity/association we tell ourselves, but it sure would be a lot of trouble to hold it all the time. It seems we hold it as much as the utility requires.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Rahz]
#27728771 - 04/10/22 12:05 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Well I'm fairly sure the misses killed me last night. But it was a gentle and exceedingly loving murder where most of it was experienced by her. Even though I've felt the experience of dying as well. It has left an interesting space where identity was. How am I here? Through her.
Again, this may sound whacky and nonsensical to some but not others.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Rahz]
#27728792 - 04/10/22 12:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Do you experience yourself as a memory?
In so much as our identity is associated with the past, it can only be an approximation of that, and only pieces of it. Pieces of pieces of pieces.
Weird. So you don't think that experiencing identity is, in itself, you? But rather the much smaller part, the identity, is?
I think this is where I keep getting stuck and can't grok what you all are saying. And I must not know how to express it in any meaningful way. But, how can one be aware of memory, if that awareness is itself a memory?
Hmm, well awareness isn't a memory but memory may be something in awareness. In that sense we are more the awareness itself. Identity too, to whatever degree it's based on memory (the past) is something that is transient in awareness. There is utility of some kind in identity but it probably shouldn't be taken as objective fact beyond whatever the utility is. Not sure if that's what you're getting at.
Awareness is related to your contextual memory, i.e. short term memory which is simply that sliding window of the last 5 minutes of time of all things sensed and perceived (and perception is the reflex response from memory to current mental contents - perception is weighted towards short term memory as these neurons are still primed for action - more so than not recently visited memory neurons).
when your short term memory is reduced such as when you are really stoned (which exhausts the cortical neurons as they feedback with the thalamus for too long (i.e. longer than 6-10 loops, probably 20-40 loops - making ultra trails and heavy frame stacking), you have no contextual reference, you are probably not even aware of who you are, what you are doing, or where you are to any extent. this is effectively a non-functional awareness.
A mild loss of short term memory/awareness i.e. from some cannabis for instance may lead to forgetting why you went into a room, but you still know who you are somewhat.
this also happens more extremely during sleep walking, perceptive reflexes work, walking is an example, avoiding walls is an example; but nobody is home, no awareness of who or where you are or how you got there (I have had this on salvia a few times).
is awareness memory, well yes, in the sense that with a functioning short term memory, and some awareness, your perceptions resolve around the current context from memory. Otherwise, only very shallow perceptual memory reflexes can engage from sensory impressions against ingrained habits, like physical sequence memory with spatial temporal proprioception. When sleepwalking or blackout happens usually no new memory is being formed.
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when your short term memory is reduced such as when you are really stoned (which exhausts the cortical neurons as they feedback with the thalamus for too long (i.e. longer than 6-10 loops, probably 20-40 loops - making ultra trails and heavy frame stacking), you have no contextual reference, you are probably not even aware of who you are, what you are doing, or where you are to any extent. this is effectively a non-functional awareness.
Heh. Here's how this went down today at the store as I stumbled in a bit of a fugue.
This misses says, she'll be my memory. And if she's in a fog, well... to which I responded, we'll go through it together
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
#27736428 - 04/15/22 08:08 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I do not even exist. Life is just a word.
for there are moments in between moments where I do not exist.
Each night I perish, each morning I am born again.
What happens when a leaf falls? What happens when a star explodes?
Am I not, like you,
the afterlife of billions of years of existence already? Every glowing atom.
Each and all.
If there is life after death: this is it.
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redgreenvines said: certainty is illusion familiarity is the best we get.
I am not familiar with anything suggestive of life after death, and of that I am certain.
You will never know until you touch the fire so deep within you - but you need a little incentive :
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Nillion]
#28459080 - 09/05/23 01:50 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Wow this is a pretty gay poem
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
#28491615 - 10/04/23 01:10 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Of course, it’s an opinion. But, I feel like this is the teenage years of our spiritual development. Then we just go onto the next phase. Which will be like a different world, where, based off of how we act in this one. We get put into a role. Or maybe it’s similar only were like gigantic frog people who command much more power. Like right now I don’t think human beings would be responsible enough to use magic. I heard somebody got a salvia entity to actually talk to them once. And they asked what was the point of life. “For consciousness to become aware of itself” That’s it. That’s the whole point of all this shit that we are dealing with… But it definitely feels like something else happens. Could be nothing. I also feel like reincarnation is very possible option. But it kind of ties into what I already said. Considering how many of my dreams and trips seem to have something to do with the ocean. I kind of feel like I’m going to turn into some sea creature. Which I’m totally fine with.
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my destiny is either slime or ash, I prefer slime as it may take less energy. After my last breath, rot me in a vessel and fertilize some garden please.
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redgreenvines said: several of my friends have died. they are a big part of me still.
To me, that's it. All of it.
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redgreenvines said: my destiny is either slime or ash, I prefer slime as it may take less energy. After my last breath, rot me in a vessel and fertilize some garden please.
I hope to fertilize a mango tree when I go, so that my essence will still run down the lips of happy people.
It's been that way for a long time.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: sudly] 1
#28495838 - 10/07/23 08:03 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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When I was a kid, I said “I want to have a tree planted on top of my grave. So that as a tree gets bigger and bigger. It pulls my body up into its roots. Until someday someone tries to cut down the tree. But they can’t because they find my skull is embedded in the center of the trunk of the tree.”
I also heard somebody say that it was his method of getting to fly. By being pulled into a tree that made fruit. So I wanted to be a fruit producing tree. Mango is an amazing choice.
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Well that first drawing was from the start of the year, and this is from today.
Hope to finish with oil paint.
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Oil paint doesn't work for this style, but I got to practice with water colours.
'This is what I'd like to happen when I die.'
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: sudly] 1
#28497749 - 10/09/23 02:59 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Didn't read the whole thread.
My hunch is your body dies but you keep on living as a mind or awareness. You might panic or be in shock or be thrilled. You become god or the infinite or the monad. There is no time. You might hang around and look at your friends and family. But I suspect there is an overwhelming bliss and euphoria and you look at a tree and you become the tree and you look at a cloud and you become the cloud. You get distracted for eternity. You just are. There may be no thoughts. You can astral project all around the universe. You are the universe.
All your questions will be answered when you die but the paradox is you will suddenly realize all your questions are ridiculous and you will enter an eternal orgasm and just drift around. You may even go back in time and live every human life. So everyone you currently are surrounded by is actually you. We are all the cosmic one.
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Soul Flight] 1
#28497830 - 10/09/23 04:07 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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Many people who believe that opt for suicide as a short cut to the Christmas goodies.
I think it is delusional.
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Genesiscorrupted‘s opinion on suicide.
In my personal opinion. I think that suicide to reach the goodies at the end of the maze is a shortcut. And you won’t get to go… Unfortunately, you need to start over. We need to finish the maze. That can be dying horribly. But that is what you were supposed to go through to be able to move on.
If your life was particularly short or violent. You also didn’t get to experience everything you needed to. You will probably be reincarnated here. Until you’ve learned enough to be able to go on.
Everything that happens in your life is for your own spiritual growth. You’re supposed to get all of those experiences. Before you’re able to handle the next set of challenges.
If somebody wasn’t even able to handle this. Why the heck do they think they’re ready for the next level?
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/09/23 04:14 PM)
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