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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2302971 - 02/04/04 10:36 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Nope. Can't take credit for something Ram Dass said in the 70's. The Bible contains Truth - it's just that the Truth is not necessarily what our childish, materialistic minds expect Truth to be.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2302993 - 02/04/04 10:43 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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The Bible contains Truth - it's just that the Truth is not necessarily what our childish, materialistic minds expect Truth to be.




I think the truth should be intuitive...


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2303013 - 02/04/04 10:48 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

and if two people who read the same book reach two completely different truths?


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303091 - 02/04/04 11:09 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Then they go to war and the one with the "best" interpretation (or most vicious one) wins.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2303101 - 02/04/04 11:13 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Truth is, two dogs fighting over a bone have more sense than two people fighting over an interpretation of the bible.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #2303739 - 02/05/04 03:07 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

You return to the stars


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #2303834 - 02/05/04 05:29 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

student: sensei, what happens when we die?
master: i don't know.
student: but, you're a zen master! you must know.
master: yes, i am a zen master - but not a dead one!


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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303849 - 02/05/04 05:49 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Truth, which is equivalent to Reality or what is Truly Real, Ultimately Real, is the same as GOD, which is ONE. If the words are impressed with Truth to a "superabundant" degree (Mircea Eliade), then the words can be considered to be Holy, and should exert an influence on the reader. Words of peace, forgiveness, faith, compassion, forgiveness - as a WAY of being are difficult to misinterpret. Other kinds of sayings are certainly open to different interpretations, but I surely would not go to war over the doctrinal difference of whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son, or whether it proceeds from the Father and the Son, yet this arguement - The Filioque - caused war and a division between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. I don't care! I can see both arguments based on Holy Scripture. It's an intellectual argument that men died for! Does the outcome effect one's relationship with GOD or with one's fellow humans?! NO. Most people miss the forest for the trees - can't discern the wheat from the chaff. St. Paul's comment about it being shameful for a man to wear his hair long (he had the attitude of every balding man I've encountered when my hair was long since 1966!) does not embody the same spiritual gravity as "Thou shalt not commit murder." But - the frequent translation of that commandment into "Thou shalt not kill," might prevent the mis-interpreter to allow a madman to attack a child if killing him is the only possible means of stopping him. This is why Wisdom is the thing to ask for and develop, and why the 'love of Wisdom' - philosophy - is so important.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #27706416 - 03/24/22 01:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Your next life will be a summation of this one.
Be careful what screens you look at.
Turning the other cheek is over rated.
Take the wrong turn and get locked in the labyrinth (:


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Spectacle]
    #27707168 - 03/24/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Spectacle said:
Your next life will be a summation of this one.
Be careful what screens you look at.
Turning the other cheek is over rated.
Take the wrong turn and get locked in the labyrinth (:




I figure "as above, so below" can indicate many choices of destinations, much like competing internet forums. Popularity then influences your choice.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Spectacle]
    #27707768 - 03/25/22 05:06 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

we will all become crab


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: sudly]
    #27707838 - 03/25/22 08:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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sudly said:
we will all become crab





Bottom feeders, I knew it.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27708094 - 03/25/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

some get crabby before they die


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27709305 - 03/26/22 10:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

:mushroom2:


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: damp33]
    #27709327 - 03/26/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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damp33 said:
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May your 666th post be as good as your 66th


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #27709557 - 03/26/22 02:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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John said:
???

Just wondering what some of you guys think, sorry if there have been a million of these threads already, but if there has, well peoples precptions change all the time. maybe some of you have a diffrent idea than you had last time you anwsered the question. thanks for any replies :stoned:

oh yeah you don't have to get into every detail I know sometimes peoples beliefs are hard to express through writing and what not and sometimes just go on a understanding or gut feeling you have, just a general idea of what you think :sun:




.  The logical answer, from those who have tripped, good acid, deep enough, to not be infatuated with the idea of "ego death", is that the notion of a stable, autonomous, permanent, self has always been a fiction.
.  This is confirmed by the dying in hospice, who over come the fear of death, during tripping.

.  This is also discussed by Alan Watts, in more detail, in at least one of his books, after his experiences with tripping. He uses the analogy of a light bulb flickering (due to alternating current) too fast for us to notice; as similar to the nature of what we ordinarily take to be a stable or 'solid' self.

.  Near death experiences, vary according to the culture they occur in; so although interesting they would seem to perhaps fall into the same category, as 'machine elves', and astral travel, etc. and not be a reliable data source.
.  Whereas when the dying over come the fear of death, during tripping, and remain calmer thereafter, it is perhaps much more impressive.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27709689 - 03/26/22 04:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

the last fuse is blown


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27717609 - 04/02/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

No one can say for certain…
My personal belief is that we are eternal beings, created by a higher power. We are fallen from our former state of being, for one reason or another. This is the lowest plane of existence. When we die, we either come back to earth or ascend to other dimensions and places. I tried to get on board with the “we are all one” theory but I could never make it past the evidence we have in the natural world. Individuality is such a beautiful thing. We are all the same, but we are all indivudals.

You have some evidence for your question in the natural world, also. Why is it that death is so unsettling and terrifying for us? It’s because it’s not real and we were never meant to actually die.

When a sperm meets the egg, there is a literal flash of light. Sonoluminescence comes to mind. Frequencies enter into time and space, but if there is no time in the place we were before, we wouldn’t remember anything until we went back. We are the walking dead it seems.

I refuse to believe that this world is the end all of existence.
Why would anything exist at all?

I’ve been all over the place spiritually in my life, and was an atheist for a long time. My views have changed, this place definitely had a designer and I think we may have even witnessed it all happen. I don’t know for sure what happens… but I know it has to be better than this- working slave hours for paper, destroying the beautiful earth, throwing our kids into a mental prison so we can make sure everybody eats, oh and governments and banks, etc. This is hell. It gets better.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: DaydreamIJ]
    #27717708 - 04/02/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I refuse to believe that this world is the end all of existence.
Why would anything exist at all?


What do you mean by this?

I think I understand that by the "end all of existence" you are referring back to the idea that you see Earth as the lowest plane and that you can imagine other planes. But if that's the line of thinking, I get lost on the next part. What do you mean?

Are you suggesting that there must be a reason for existence, otherwise, why would anything exist at all?

Does everything that has happened to you feel meaningful? Including this post from me? Including any prior post you've read? Just curious on where your boundaries are if anywhere.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: DaydreamIJ]
    #27717720 - 04/02/22 10:20 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Speaking of paradox, imo, there is nothing more sovereign, individualistic, than spirit nature, yet it is all one, like light. It doesn't have to be thought as such per se, yet self-realizes in seeing others as that, holy, if you will, free. The freedom nature is of one essence.


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