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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2302971 - 02/05/04 12:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nope. Can't take credit for something Ram Dass said in the 70's. The Bible contains Truth - it's just that the Truth is not necessarily what our childish, materialistic minds expect Truth to be.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2302993 - 02/05/04 12:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The Bible contains Truth - it's just that the Truth is not necessarily what our childish, materialistic minds expect Truth to be.




I think the truth should be intuitive...


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2303013 - 02/05/04 12:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and if two people who read the same book reach two completely different truths?


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303091 - 02/05/04 01:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Then they go to war and the one with the "best" interpretation (or most vicious one) wins.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2303101 - 02/05/04 01:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Truth is, two dogs fighting over a bone have more sense than two people fighting over an interpretation of the bible.


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #2303739 - 02/05/04 05:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You return to the stars


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: John]
    #2303834 - 02/05/04 07:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

student: sensei, what happens when we die?
master: i don't know.
student: but, you're a zen master! you must know.
master: yes, i am a zen master - but not a dead one!


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Re: What happens when you die? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2303849 - 02/05/04 07:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Truth, which is equivalent to Reality or what is Truly Real, Ultimately Real, is the same as GOD, which is ONE. If the words are impressed with Truth to a "superabundant" degree (Mircea Eliade), then the words can be considered to be Holy, and should exert an influence on the reader. Words of peace, forgiveness, faith, compassion, forgiveness - as a WAY of being are difficult to misinterpret. Other kinds of sayings are certainly open to different interpretations, but I surely would not go to war over the doctrinal difference of whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son, or whether it proceeds from the Father and the Son, yet this arguement - The Filioque - caused war and a division between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. I don't care! I can see both arguments based on Holy Scripture. It's an intellectual argument that men died for! Does the outcome effect one's relationship with GOD or with one's fellow humans?! NO. Most people miss the forest for the trees - can't discern the wheat from the chaff. St. Paul's comment about it being shameful for a man to wear his hair long (he had the attitude of every balding man I've encountered when my hair was long since 1966!) does not embody the same spiritual gravity as "Thou shalt not commit murder." But - the frequent translation of that commandment into "Thou shalt not kill," might prevent the mis-interpreter to allow a madman to attack a child if killing him is the only possible means of stopping him. This is why Wisdom is the thing to ask for and develop, and why the 'love of Wisdom' - philosophy - is so important.


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