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 MORNING GLORY L.S.A. 
#2295393 - 02/02/04 08:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have heard alot about morning glorie seeds being a hallucinogenic...i recently (because of this information) found a store that sells them so i bout a BUNCH and i'm wondering if anyone here knows if the Morning Glory seeds:
work as hallucinogenics?
if so then how many should one take and in what way shoul one prepare them?
ANY information is very welcomed Thank you much
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2295503 - 02/02/04 08:38 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would take 8-10 grams. they are pretty nasty and dont sit well in your stomach. either chew them up good or grind them up in a coffee grinder.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2295515 - 02/02/04 08:44 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah they are very much hallucinogenic but there are MANY different kinds of morning glories and not all of them are active. Most people list heavenly blues, pearly gates, flying saucers, and wedding bells as being the most significantly active. As for dosage well I would suggest starting low and working up. start at say between 200-300, not sure what that is in grams...count them out, it's part of the experience. I've always just eatin mine straight, but it seems like the more you do that the harder they are to stomach for some reason and I'm really planning on trying different methods soon, cold water extraction seems nice...Just experiment man. Good luck.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2295536 - 02/02/04 08:48 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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HBWR (hawaiin baby woodrose) has a much higher LSA content, and you don't have to eat as many. You also don't get as sick from them. They're highly visual, 8-10 seeds usually does it, but a lotta imitation (wrong species) large HBWR out there. Bad harvest seasons for them and whatnot.
Just grind them up, throw in empty capsules, and have pot ready for the onslaught of nausea and bodyload.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2297131 - 02/03/04 11:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if the powder from ground-up HBWS can be loaded into a vaporizer on top of some weed? I'm just looking for ways to bypass the whole nausea and cyanogenic shit. I've had some pretty good experiences with LSA from 8 HBWS one trip and 10 seeds on another.
I didn't get too sick & also didn't care too much for the lethargy though. Anyway, I'm UNwilling to administer this chemical rectally & would like to know if anyone's had success with smoking LSA. I want to bypass the whole stomach. It'd be cool if we were able to smoke (or vaporize) LSA crytals or just some ground up powder. Anyone got any ideas?  
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: spacedragon]
#2297149 - 02/03/04 11:35 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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LSA cant be smoked. Same as for most other tryptamines  .
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I don't know if LSA can be smoked or not but LSA is not a tryptamine, its a Lysergic acid Amide, like LSD.
Also I would recomend trying a water extraction with morning glories or HNWR seeds as eating the seeds can make you extreeeeemely ill.
Also LSA tends to be not very visual for many people, but most of the other LSD like effects tend to be there.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: ]
#2297501 - 02/03/04 01:38 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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LSA and LSD are tryptamines and please dont tell people it would make them "xtreeeeemely ill" to eat HBWR or MG. Yes, the nausea is there but they wont become "extreeeeemely ill". Like most other hallucinogenic drugs there is some sort of nausea for people.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2298924 - 02/03/04 09:58 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get HBWR if you can. Morning Glorys are sick, you need to use so many and most have pestisides you need to clena off. With HBWR you only need like 8 or so depending on how strong they are.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Osker246]
#2298945 - 02/03/04 10:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have gotten extreemly ill from eating both HBWR seeds and morning glories. The illness is not just a simple nausea.
LSD and LSA are not Tryptamines they are Lysergic acid amides. Tryptamines and Lysergic acid amides are both indoles however. Tryptamies and Lysergic acid amides both produce genral psychedellic effects but there are significant differances as well. One is that tryptamines tend to last much shorter than lysergic acid amides.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: ]
#2298956 - 02/03/04 10:07 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you sure about that?
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_basics.shtml
read the very first paragraph and tell me what it says.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. *DELETED* [Re: Osker246]
#2299031 - 02/03/04 10:25 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by failwebsite (08/30/11 12:41 AM)
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2299056 - 02/03/04 10:29 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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All I can think of is the manufactures trying to prevent people from eating them. Most the time if there is pesticides there will be some crazy nausea if you dont clean them. Try looking for ones that are free of pesticides.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2299519 - 02/04/04 02:32 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"why would pesticides be on seeds?"
To keep pests off them, maybe?
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And various other substances to prevent people from ingesting them, that's why you shouldn't buy them from garden shops.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Osker246]
#2307327 - 02/05/04 11:27 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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The information is wrong 
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Osker246]
#2307830 - 02/06/04 07:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Osker246,
There are no tryptamines in LSD, morning glory seeds or in Woodrose. That paper at erowid is wrong.
mj
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: mjshroomer]
#2307870 - 02/06/04 08:00 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmmm I thought I won that one damnit. Oh well sorry bout the little argument thing softrat, thanks for the correction Mj.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2309571 - 02/06/04 05:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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All hail MJ!!!!
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Ginseng]
#2309631 - 02/06/04 06:09 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why,
Quote:
To be completely anally retentive in this Ipomoea inventory, mention must be made of five alkaloids that are present in truly trace amounts, all of which have no oxygen atoms present whatsoever on that substitution on the ergoline 8-position. These are the 8-methyl isomers agroclavine, setoclavine, festuclavine and cycloclavine, and the methylene analogue lysergene. These structures in effect define absolute obscurity, and most probably do not contribute to the morning glory intoxication state
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as Sasha says, there are some minor tryptamine derivatives which do not contribute to the high at all. He k just mentioned them as n he notes on that page. I too have both Sasha's books.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: mjshroomer]
#2310021 - 02/06/04 08:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just so everyone knows I have some training in chemistry, Im no chemist, but I have studied up to college level organic chemistry both theory and lab practice. So I do know a few things about chemicals. Also rats are very smart animals.
If LSD was a tryptamine it would be called somthing like Lysergic acid diethyltryptamine, not lysergic acid diethlyamide.
I have not read THiKAL, but I would assume LSD is including in that book cause it is somewhat related to tryptamines in that it is an indol. I have read PHiKAL and I know that Shulgan includes not just phenethylamine but also the closly related hallucingenic amphetimines.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: ]
#2310318 - 02/06/04 11:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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MEscaline is an amphetamine chemically.
mj
All those 2 ct drugs can keep you up for 24 hours on tsome of them and they all have mescaline like effects, including MDA which is my favorate folled by 2CB and 2-CT-7. I have tried almost 17 compounds which originated form those recipes.
have a shroomy day.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: mjshroomer]
#2310488 - 02/07/04 12:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok, just wanted to know.
Its just it said " Any of a series of compounds containing the tryptamine skeleton, and modified by chemical constituents at appropriate positions in the molecule." so i assumed it was still a tryptamine because it contains this tryptamine skeleton. I don't know, my chemistry knowledge is fairly basic.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Osker246]
#2311063 - 02/07/04 06:11 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morning glory seeds can be quite cool...For a first trip , you should try like 250-300 seeds. If you don't mind nausea, you can just make powder with the seeds, soak them in water for like three days , filter the seed mush and drink the brownish liquid. Be careful! seeds sometimes are treated with poisonous stuff, if so , soak them in naphta for a few hours before powdering em.
The taste of the lsa juice itself is not that bad, but each sip makes you gag after you've drank alot of the stuff lol. And you really don't feel well in your stomach after, there is often strong nausea in the first hour of the trip.
If you want a trip that will be better to your stomach, soak the seed powder in some 99% isopropylic alcohol for a few days , shaking from times to times, filter the liquid , evaporate the alcohol, and scrape the yellowish sticky gunk. You can put that in gel caps or just eat it raw...
Edited by Grapefruity (02/07/04 06:13 AM)
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Neither LSA nor LSD has a tryptamine skeleton. Go to errowind and you will see that the basic backbones are very different.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
#2313836 - 02/08/04 08:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you bought them in a seed store, it's likely they are contaminated with pesticides (even if it's not explicitly written). More than 2 years ago I ingested only one bag (20 or so seeds) that were treated with some shit called "Vitavax", and it made me nauseous and totally impotent for several weeks! Some negative effects from the pesticide prolonged to several months and it was absolutely awful. (The warning about the damn pesticide was printed in small letters at the very bottom of the bag). If you see such a warning, my advice is DON'T eat them and don't even touch them! Just toss the unopened bags into trash, and try to obtain pesticide-free seeds from a well-trusted source.
The trip itself was very mild and IMO not worth the effort.
Perhaps I would have better opinion about morning glory had I tried pesticide-free seeds, but as it transpired I'll stay away from them for the rest of my life.
Edited by alphaone (02/08/04 12:15 PM)
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