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OfflineSuperLazy
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Could McKenna have been right?
    #2295231 - 02/02/04 09:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I've never really given Terrence McKenna's theories too much thought, but after some recent shroom experiences (high dose tea) I think I'm starting to more and more understand what's he talking about. Not so much the machine elves theory or his tuff about DMT/Ayahuasca, but he's idea that humans gained an evolutionary advantage (better vision and greater neural stimulation leading to superior hunting and later to language and higher order mental processes) through mushroom consumption is quite plausible. Psilocybin will certainly change a person(I think so at least), maybe for the better. Only thign I'm trying to figure out is how psilos were present on the savannahs of Africa? I wasn't aware they were native too it (maybe a primitvie strain?) Thoughts anyone?


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2295416 - 02/02/04 10:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2295809 - 02/03/04 12:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Could McKenna have been right [that humans gained an evolutionary advantage (better vision and greater neural stimulation leading to superior hunting and later to language and higher order mental processes) through mushroom consumption]?

Sure it's possible... but it's also possible that I'm a rat in a cage randomly punching keys and the output just so happens to be legible.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2295909 - 02/03/04 01:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There you go again, bursting a hastily formed drug induced bubble.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Evolving]
    #2295947 - 02/03/04 01:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Mushroom didn't evoluate human being genetically, but human in shroom have revoluted other human beings.

We live nd We die.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2295965 - 02/03/04 01:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You forgot to mention that around the time of this theory, north africa wasn't an arid desert.. It was also a popular theory that the sky was heaven. Thank god there are people out there who have opinions of there own. Instead of being ignorant sheep


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Natura]
    #2295985 - 02/03/04 01:42 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Natura said:
Mushroom didn't evoluate human being genetically, but human in shroom have revoluted other human beings.

We live nd We die.



Can you please re-phrase that?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2296023 - 02/03/04 01:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know peeps, it's all very complex so who really knows the answer, i was just ponderin the mysteries of life. I do that alot when I'm stoned  :stoned: :wink:. peace


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Evolving]
    #2296036 - 02/03/04 01:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I gotta hand it to ya on that point man, that certainly was drug-induced. Just got this new shitt in (looks like White Widow it's super-frosty  :grin:) peace


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2296648 - 02/03/04 09:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

it's also possible that I'm a rat in a cage randomly punching keys and the output just so happens to be legible

I have often suspected that...


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2296650 - 02/03/04 09:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yunno, sharing is very spiritual. *hint hint*


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2296674 - 02/03/04 09:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

the evolution idea is interesting, but personally i think McKenna was a nut and dont give much credit to most of his other lame theories.

thats just me


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http://scribbles.funrx.com/sacredantidotes.html [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2296897 - 02/03/04 11:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Tricycle: So compassion and awareness are the twin pillars of both Buddhism and the psychedelic experience?

McKenna: Compassion and awareness. To my mind the real difference between Buddhism and psychedelic shamanism is that one is a theory out of which experiences can be teased and the other is an experience which theory can be teased.

Tricycle: Well, a fundamental tenet of Buddhism is to abandon belief systems for direct experience.

McKenna: Yes, but like an onion, Buddhism has many layers. For instance, folk Buddhism is obsessed with reincarnation. Philosophical Buddhism knows there is no abiding self. How can these two things be reconciled? Logically they can't, but religions aren't logical. Religions are structures in the mass psyche that fulfill needs not dictated by reason alone. Any complex philosophical system makes room for self-contradiction."

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"Any complex philosophical system makes room for self-contradiction."

hmmmm...


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Re: http://scribbles.funrx.com/sacredantidotes.html [Re: castaway]
    #2296914 - 02/03/04 11:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I see instances where I have contradicted myself over the years.

Attempting to understand the context is more important than the words I think;
Arguments that appear contradictory can therefore be used in efforts of communication.

Does this follow?


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Re: http://scribbles.funrx.com/sacredantidotes.html [Re: castaway]
    #2296923 - 02/03/04 11:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

...like actions appropriate to one occaision are opposite to the actions appropriate in another.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2296966 - 02/03/04 12:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

McKenna: ... To my mind the real difference between Buddhism and psychedelic shamanism is that one is a theory out of which experiences can be teased and the other is an experience which theory can be teased.

...Tricycle: You've said that the twin horrors or twin problems of Western society are ego and materialism, combining in a kind of naive monotheism. Why is buddhism any less a remedy than psychedelics?

McKenna: It's less a remedy only in the sense that it's an argument, not an experience."

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Wait a sec Terrence...Did you just contradict yourself?

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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2297102 - 02/03/04 01:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

yeah I agree w/ ya. I definitely don't believe his stuff about the universe being populated by machine elves or that when you eat shrooms the psilocybin connects w/ another dimension. reality is subjective anyway (if you're not conscious you're only real to other people) so his thoughts on that don't make much difference, but I was just stating that it seemed he might be on to something w/ the whole human-mushroom connection. I can certainly see how it might inspire early people or at least make them think a little more (reflecting on the experience and what not). Besides, I was REALLY stoned  :stoned: :grin:


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2297185 - 02/03/04 01:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Whenever I pass a cow field in fla I'm looking... :oogle:


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: SuperLazy]
    #2301409 - 02/04/04 05:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It didnt necesseraly have to be mushrooms. There are diffrent hallucinagens just like there are diffrent races on this planet. I belive it could have very well been possible and it explains alot of things.

Im telling you, the only way to prove it is to raise a group of squirels on captivity and feed them small amounts of a Psycoactive drug 2-3 times a weeks. Within say... a century the squirels would probably begin to comprehend language, art, music, religion and would eventualy wage war against us.


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Re: Could McKenna have been right? [Re: Spokesman]
    #2302859 - 02/04/04 11:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Spokesman said:
It didnt necesseraly have to be mushrooms. There are diffrent hallucinagens just like there are diffrent races on this planet. I belive it could have very well been possible and it explains alot of things.





Races of what?


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