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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: qman] * 1
    #23461934 - 07/21/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23461951 - 07/21/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always said the best thing about Europe for the UK was the channel :lol: thank fuck we're not connected to that shit by land!

Attacks like this now sadly seem to be a daily part of life with Islam in Europe :mad:

The good thing about Brexit is it's thrown a spanner in the works of Globalization. That's whats fucked the West in the last 30 years. It's what's driven the wealth inequality we now see today right across the Western world! The sooner it comes to an end, the better!




I perfectly understand why the referendum ended up in favor of Brexit. It's being made out as a racist movement, but there aren't millions upon millions of racists in the UK. Certainly that was one component, but it was by no means the only factor. It is a move toward sovereignty, and a move against globalization and cheap labor. There are certainly negatives, but it's not some disastrous 'the sky is falling' scenario that it's being made out to be, as long as the UK handles things properly.

Unfortunately, the government on both sides in the UK seems to be incompetent to deal with it at the moment. There's a lot of shit stirring over there, as there will be here, soon enough.

What we are seeing in the UK, as well as America, is the common man revolting against the establishment. There is no faith in government to act on our behalf. It acts as if it were it's own entity, unbeholden to the people. The interest of the Capitalist is their only concern. Brexit is a statement to that government.



Well said. It's good to hear some positive opinions that are right on point and the truth behind the vote, other than the thinly veiled racist crap being thrown around :awesomenod:

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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Starter]
    #23461981 - 07/21/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Sadly the Islamic attacks are also a part of British life too thanks to liberalism. I hope the outcome of BREXIT means deporting the families of the immigrant villains so that the punishment is total. What happened to Lee Rigby was beyond disgraceful and yet it appears there was going to be a repeat of it.

AIRMAN KIDNAP ATTEMPT Two ‘Asian’ knifemen who attacked RAF man outside airbase ‘tried to ABDUCT the serviceman’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1477877/two-men-on-the-run-after-knife-attack-on-raf-officer-sparks-fears-of-a-lee-rigby-style-atrocity/




The UK's definitely got its problems with hard line Islamist's. Every one here knows it. I've seen several extremist marches with my own eyes in the last few years alone. Some of them amassing 1000's of Muslims out on to the streets of the UK.
We have roughly 85 Sharia law courts dishing out Islamic justice out side of our own judicial system, in heavily Muslim populated areas.

The PM is now looking to ensure that the EU's Court of Justice no longer has supremacy over UK law in Brexit negotiations. This will allow the deportation of illegals, terrorists and foreign criminals to be much more straight forward. EU law has effectively blocked the UK from deporting these people, but that will all change once we leave the bloc.

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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: qman]
    #23463271 - 07/21/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Sadly the Islamic attacks are also a part of British life too thanks to liberalism. I hope the outcome of BREXIT means deporting the families of the immigrant villains so that the punishment is total. What happened to Lee Rigby was beyond disgraceful and yet it appears there was going to be a repeat of it.

AIRMAN KIDNAP ATTEMPT Two ‘Asian’ knifemen who attacked RAF man outside airbase ‘tried to ABDUCT the serviceman’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1477877/two-men-on-the-run-after-knife-attack-on-raf-officer-sparks-fears-of-a-lee-rigby-style-atrocity/





It's not 'thanks to liberalism'. What is your damage bro. 'Liberalism' is about equality and freedom. The reason for all of the global terrorism is right wing wars of aggression, CLEARLY.




Don't fool yourself, there is also liberal left wing aggression. There are people that think their version of "equality and freedom" is so important that they're willing to use violence too accomplish that goal.




... That caused global terrorism? Go on.


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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #23470779 - 07/23/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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It's not 'thanks to liberalism'. What is your damage bro. 'Liberalism' is about equality and freedom. The reason for all of the global terrorism is right wing wars of aggression, CLEARLY.




While I agree 'liberalism' on paper seems like a good idea it's actually a huge fail. People and cultures are not equal and freedom does not exist. The idea that all cultures are equal is why third world Africans who cannot assimilate into the West, have for example, been allowed by liberalism into Melbourne under the guise of a refugee programme resulting in the usual black crime outcome. You simply can't mix primitive cultures into advanced cultures; but liberalism insists all are equal and all should be free to enter. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703217/Founding-member-Melbourne-s-Apex-gang-reveals-African-group-s-spiral-crime.html

Yet speak up about that and one is called a racist and shut down despite the fact professor Andrew Fraser was 100% correct. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/academic-stirs-fight-over-race/2005/07/15/1121429359329.html

This broken dream of liberalism is why mass numbers of fighting age males from the most backwards nations of the world and tainted in regressed and primitive Islamic values has seen to rapes off the scales in Germany. http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d

Liberalism allowed them the freedom to walk into European nations with the idea that they're equal to the Europeans and have the same freedoms of access to welfare, public housing and medical. So they built Europe? They paid the taxes? They have jobs to go to? They're equal to the Europeans, how? They're clearly free to mooch welfare, steal, murder, terrorise and rape at will. Where's the freedom for Europeans to have safe and secure neighbourhoods and their taxes spent on what really matters? Thanks liberalism.

How about accept the fact that liberalism does not work. What works are secure borders with ethic separation therefore ensuring people retain their own cultures, languages and customs. They're called countries and that model has worked for centuries by keeping each discrete group separate. That's true diversity. Otherwise there is a divided and conflicted society; which is clear to see e.g. the US which has an undeclared race war by blacks against whites and for decades. The statistics conclude black violence against whites is a a massive state-wide problem despite the obfuscation of BLM. The US model does not work when being white means you cannot enter areas with a high black demographic (hence 'white flight'), and this fail is also seen in Europe with no-go Muslim zones. It's becoming so in Australia with African and Lebanese thugs. Explain to me how this idea of everyone being equal and allowed to just blow on in is a good idea? Where is the freedom when you can't even travel in neighbourhoods in your own country you were born in?

This is such a taboo topic in the US that it took an Australian journalist to actually point this out back in 1995. http://freedomoutpost.com/paul-sheehans-the-race-war-of-blacks-against-whites/

All up the less liberal the nations the smarter they are and we can see this with the Eastern European nations telling the liberal Merkel happy ass idea to go fuck itself.

http://www.dw.com/en/slovakias-eu-presidency-in-the-shadow-of-brexit-and-the-refugee-crisis/a-19369785

http://www.thenews.pl/1/11/Artykul/261405,Poles-among-European-nations-most-resistant-to-refugee-influx

Have to laugh at their placards pitched at an English speaking audience to curry sympathy. Yup, all fighting age Stan-state males with the dream of welfare for life and rape of white poontang. https://www.rt.com/news/352780-refugees-serbia-hunger-strike/

Liberalism will see to civil wars in Europe by allowing in no end of third worlders under the banner of all are equal and all are free (at the expense of the Europeans, of course).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/french-security-chief-warned-the-country-was-on-brink-of-civil-war/news-story/d98b9b8e9824659c9768fe12ee8f2e42

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/how-the-refugee-crisis-will-bring-civil-war-to-germany_012016

Yet the liberals will blame the Right-wing when it was their liberalism that made the colossal mess. Look at how the lefties attacked BREXIT i.e. the liberal shills basically howled 'how dare the Brits demand stopping their cultural extinction!', as they vilified Brits as racists, xenophobes, and uneducated old bastards who should just die and give the country over to Gen-Y who I should add couldn't even be arsed to actually vote!

Liberalism and all that is suicidal about it can seriously fuck off.


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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Starter] * 2
    #23472409 - 07/24/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

"On paper its a good deal but in practice it sucks."


Like capitalism?


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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23475831 - 07/25/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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"On paper its a good deal but in practice it sucks."
Like capitalism?




I actually said: "While I agree 'liberalism' on paper seems like a good idea it's actually a huge fail."

Meaning I recognise the appeal it has because it would be nice if all were equal and free. But I’m not free to play a round of golf on the moon any more than you’re free to pilfer my bank account. No one is equal to everyone else given we all have different skills, abilities, intelligence, place of birth, and laws of physics and legality which restrain what we'd like to do ect and this will shape what we can and cannot do.

So to fund the discredited liberalism you’re suggesting people who have worked hard, invested, and been disciplined in their approach to money, should not be able to enjoy what they have made and build more wealth; instead should be taxed to pay for ne’er-do-wells?

The more you tax private enterprise and hobble the innovative ability of entrepreneurs and the investors who back them in capital, the less employment will be generated. Capitalism builds wealth and it is the private sector which is the driving force of prosperity. You use technology and the fruits of capital everyday and all of it built by capitalism and some of the greatest legends of this (Jobs, Gates, Buffet ect) are from the US.

Rather than fight "the man" and be partake in US capitalism, you buy into all that college regressive-progressive BS. I suggest you start a steady savings plan and a build a share folio; yes, study on Value Investing and participate. You will look back on that change in attitude as one of the greatest life improving choices you made. You're in the US and you have the opportunities much of the world does not. Travel and you will understand this.


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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Starter] * 2
    #23475853 - 07/25/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Starter]
    #23477396 - 07/26/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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So to fund the discredited liberalism you’re suggesting people who have worked hard, invested, and been disciplined in their approach to money, should not be able to enjoy what they have made and build more wealth; instead should be taxed to pay for ne’er-do-wells?



Discredited?  Liberalism is what led to the strong middle class of the 1950's - 1970's which was weakened after the 1980's.  Get your facts straight.


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    #23477536 - 07/26/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

American-centric, eh.

That period of time i.e. 1949-1966 was Menzes and that was a conservative government along the lines of Churchill and later Thatcher (it was emulated by John Howard much later). Under Menzes it was an era of prosperity as it was later with Howard. During the Menzes period the White Australia Policy continued and it didn't end until 1973, and needless to say we were doing just fine without the "diversity" we sadly have today. The majority of the years in governance since the end of WW2 have been conservative. The ALP (the left) only ever fucks it up.

And before you start, Australia leads the world in widest spread of middle class i.e. 66% of adults downunder are middle class. 

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-countries-with-the-highest-average-wealth-in-the-world-2015-10

Liberalism, in context to this thread, is this absurd view all are equal and free; therefore all immigrants can blow in willy-nilly with the same inalienable rights as the locals they displace.

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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23477561 - 07/26/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Not even a come back.

So your big angst in life are the evil capitalists who have taken all your opportunities?

Seriously, no one owes you a dime. You work and invest for what is yours. If you think the Left is suddenly going to get in control and throw you wealth for free you'll be waiting forever.


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So to fund the discredited liberalism you’re suggesting people who have worked hard, invested, and been disciplined in their approach to money, should not be able to enjoy what they have made and build more wealth; instead should be taxed to pay for ne’er-do-wells?



Discredited?  Liberalism is what led to the strong middle class of the 1950's - 1970's which was weakened after the 1980's.  Get your facts straight.



American-centric, eh.

That period of time i.e. 1949-1966 was Menzes and that was a conservative government. The majority of the years in governance since the end of WW2 have been conservative. The ALP (the left) only ever fucks it up.

And before you start, Australia leads the world in widest spread of middle class i.e. 66% of adults downunder are middle class. 

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-countries-with-the-highest-average-wealth-in-the-world-2015-10



Of course Australia has a strong middle class - they're a socialist state.  Minimum wage of $17.70, universal healthcare, etc.  Yes, perhaps my answer is America Centric, because by American standards, Australia is liberal.


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Re: The EU and the UK referendum [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23484448 - 07/28/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Australia is a socialist state? Bullshit. The means of production is private enterprise here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Now you've been trying to change the subject, yet the issue still stands. Liberalism, the belief that all are equal and free, is the very nonsense on which unfettered immigration from the most regressed nations has been pouring into Europe, and has been shamelessly peddled/supported by the Left. The fact that your side, the Left, have been disgraced by this policy fail should make you reflect on why you continue to argue for this absurd experiment. BREXIT is a sane united voice demanding an end to their sovereignty destruction. Time will tell if it works but it's certainly the correct step to take.


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    #23484569 - 07/28/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Don't forget about third-worldism, an anti-white and europhobic ideology from people like Tipote, that's also helped create the shit show over in Germany and U.K.

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Australia is a socialist state? Bullshit. The means of production is private enterprise here.



I actually agree with you, but conservatives here keep insisting Bernie Sanders is a socialist.

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the issue still stands. Liberalism, the belief that all are equal and free, is the very nonsense on which unfettered immigration from the most regressed nations has been pouring into Europe, and has been shamelessly peddled/supported by the Left. The fact that your side, the Left, have been disgraced by this policy fail should make you reflect on why you continue to argue for this absurd experiment.



Minimum wage of $17.70, universal healthcare, etc, Government helping the average worker are all liberal ideals in the US.  So yes, by American standards, Australia is liberal.

Liberals don't believe all are equal - that's communism.


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why did Bernie call himself a democratic socialist?


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    #23497539 - 08/01/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

For the record I have no problem with minimum wage, health care and a welfare safety net. I like a wide spread of middle class resulting in a high level of education and low crime rates. Of course, the more "diverse" the ethnic mix, esp. if Arabic and North African, the more the crime/Jihadist problems. I live in a mostly White city so the crime is low and so are the Muslim numbers. Sadly the Muslims have made shitholes of suburbs in Sydney of Bankstown, Bass Hill, Lakemba, Marrickville and Punchbowl. The multicultural experiment is a fail.

Now to liberalism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.

As said and in context to this thread, the idea that all are equal (equality) and free (liberty) sounds good on paper. But it doesn't work and it is the reason for this foolish view of allowing in no end of unvetted third world and Islamic men into Europe, because they're "equal" and should have the "freedom" to enter and be "free" to get welfare.

The Left have created this mess by misguided altruism on an epic scale which may well result in civil war. As MightyWhite has pointed out the likes of Tipote wants nothing less than the extinguishing of White Europeans and their culture to make way for Muslims and the Third World. All on the ruse of tolerance, diversity, cultural enrichment, and all in the aim to stop "racism" and "orientalism" (all bullshit leftist fictions smacking of white guilt bollocks); but if one doesn't buy into that nonsense hook, line and wharf, then clearly they're an "Islamophobe", "bigot" and worst of all "a racist." What a feeble philosophy that is.


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    #23497810 - 08/01/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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As MightyWhite has pointed out the likes of Tipote wants nothing less than the extinguishing of White Europeans and their culture to make way for Muslims and the Third World. All on the ruse of tolerance, diversity, cultural enrichment, and all in the aim to stop "racism" and "orientalism" (all bullshit leftist fictions smacking of white guilt bollocks); but if one doesn't buy into that nonsense hook, line and wharf, then clearly they're an "Islamophobe", "bigot" and worst of all "a racist." What a feeble philosophy that is.




The question I have is if present day so called 'progressives' have ever wondered why countries ever existed in the first place? Why isn't Earth just one big country with everyone holding hands in one big circle? Is it perhaps because human beings are tribal by nature? Just perhaps?

What completely takes my breath away is when you have today's 1st or 2nd gen immigrants with zero respect and a chip on their shoulder about 'racist whites'...the evil white men are responsible for all the ills in the world yet at the same time these whites deserve absolutely NO credit for helping create the society which they choose to live in. The ingratitude and entitlement is stratospheric!

It's a combination of intellectually lazy liberals, their anti-racist fascism and the badly behaved minorities getting away with rape/murder.


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I actually agree with you, but conservatives here keep insisting Bernie Sanders is a socialist.





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why did Bernie call himself a democratic socialist?




Bernie wants government to control healthcare, college, banks, and energy and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. He has praised breadlines in communist countries, bemoaned the fact we have too many brands of deodorant. Plus, he calls himself a democratic "socialist"

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    #23499529 - 08/01/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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For the record I have no problem with minimum wage, health care and a welfare safety net. I like a wide spread of middle class resulting in a high level of education and low crime rates.



In most countries, that's a given.  But in America, if you believe in those things, you're liberal.


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