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OfflineSleepyE
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Re: My experience with god. [Re: famousgoodguy]
    #22893729 - 02/11/16 10:35 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Im not sure if they should be considered disorders though, or an unwanted result. Much of the distress and pain that these states causes is the lack of knowledge of what is happening. If i known then what i know now it would have saved me a lot of hardship and i would have been able to explore this phenomenon with out the side effects severely messing with my life.

in retrospect its almost like a natural result from taking a psychedelic. It seems to mimic the concept of entropy at least on a metaphorical level.
Perhaps taking psychedelics puts the mind into a less ordered more chaotic state. Not something bad, but things show up in that state that you classify in the DSM-5 as disorders.

I personally follow the idea that there is a fine line between genius and madness and it has to do with pattern recognition.
Consider Schizophrenic Nobel Prize winner John Nash while reading this btw. And that Einsteins son was schizophrenic(hereditary)
Schizophrenia and psychedelic states are classified as an increase in pattern recognition apparently because of its effect on dopamine
higher dopamine = higher pattern recognition.
but too high of pattern recognition and you begin to make false positives(false hits) like conspiracy theorists getting paranoid :tinfoil:

but too low pattern recognition and you miss the big picture and you could be weeded out buy nature because it can cause fatal misses.(false Negatives)
So being inbetween that spectrum can be very advantageous.
And i think psychedelics are an excellent tool for increase pattern recognition to cause more creativity.
I know now that too high pattern recognition causes many schizophrenic ideas that are technically referred to as "noise"


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22893791 - 02/11/16 10:46 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

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Im seeing many reports of people claiming their trips cause unrealistic coincidences to occur, and im wondering if it would be blasphemy to entertain the idea that probability may be effected somehow by consciousness in certain mindstates.




It's certainly not blasphemy if you don't believe in some sort of god.  It's not even scientific blasphemy (a bit of an oxymoron).  It's just extremely difficult to explain until you extend existing theory far enough to account for it.  Once you do that (and it is in no way easy to do) it becomes an expected side effect.

It also becomes one of the more interesting quantifiable phenomena that exists - apparently outside of ordinary physics, yet actually it points the direction towards a much more cohesive interpretation of quantum reality than normal Copenhagen interpretation ever has, mostly because the very understanding of "probability" has to be rigorously developed from first principles, rather than taken as given. But that also is in no way easy to do...

The rest about effects on mental states is pretty basic stuff - been there, done that. Just sort out the wheat from the chaff. :shrug:


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22893801 - 02/11/16 10:49 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22893901 - 02/11/16 11:17 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

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I know you will say my pattern recognition was sent into overdrive so i was seeing meaning in events that had no meaning "false positives" but im running over the statistical probability of it and its just too improbable to be just noise.
Im seeing many reports of people claiming their trips cause unrealistic coincidences to occur, and im wondering if it would be blasphemy to entertain the idea that probability may be effected somehow by consciousness in certain mindstates.




One of the 4 leading models of quantum mechanics actually allows for this. Check out Qbism (Quantum Bayesianism). I personally think this is the worst of the 4 models, but who knows, I don't. Of course for your case, I can't say, because I wasn't there. I have found that in my experience, it is indeed coincidence. Sometimes there's something similar to a Baader-Meinhof phenomenon going on as well. Usually these things are meaningless anyway or carry false meaning, this may be why I am prone to believe they are coincidence and not the other way around. I do realize though that they don't necessarily have to have meaning to be true.

Another thing is that it could be some weird phenomenon somewhat akin to deja vu, the leading hypothesis of explaining deja vu at the moment is that what you are seeing gets written into memory slightly before it is brought to your consciousness, giving a pseudo impression that it has happened before.

The bottom line though is that if Qbism is correct, it could allow for this. I caution anyone who goes searching into quantum mechanics however (especially qbism!), as there are a lot of Deepak Chopra-esque unfound claims being advocated by people outside of the world of physics. There's a huge amount of charlatans who have been manipulating folks with false claims of quantum mechanics that they themselves fail to understand.

Just remember....

If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: satch1234] * 1
    #22893904 - 02/11/16 11:18 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Wow that is crazy, didn't know that. Neat article. The bufotenin levels are significantly higher too, not a trivial amount.


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: famousgoodguy]
    #22894327 - 02/12/16 01:37 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

i definitely would love to further my understanding of QM, and i appreciate that you respect my experiential perspective, be it true or not.
I just feel like disregarding all the synchronicities that happened to me would be foolish, only because the events and synchronicities were linked to a main idea and it was almost like a chain reaction of connectivity based on that idea, it was just far too much structure and complexity.
I suppose its possible it was just noise but i feel like it couldnt hurt to entertain another model to explain the possibility of this phenomenon i believe i have experienced.
I only think its worth looking into because i have come across people who claim to have experienced something similarly improbable under similar circumstances so thats enough for me to keep an open mind to the idea.

And yeah the bufotenin thing is definitely fascinating


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22895330 - 02/12/16 10:49 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

If autistic spectrum disorder hyperactives and schizophrenics have high levels of Bufotenine HCl circulating the CNS it's no wonder they're having a "bad trip".  Alkalize them and see what happens... I bet they'll be happier with the freebase form in their brain, HCl is not good.


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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: My experience with god. [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #22933262 - 02/22/16 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

sry for reposting on this thread, just adding more jester evidence.

a dude on my youtube channel just posted this link saying "the jesters, i see them."
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61321

he didnt call it a jester in the dmtnexus post thats dated from 2014, but i guess he assumes now that it is a jester because its representing the same type of hat that makes our recognition think jesters.

his representation of hyperspace is scarily accurate too, outstanding.


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22933448 - 02/22/16 12:24 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

What the wtf??? That's my room! Lol but seriously.... How do you guys draw that stuff? I am so amazed at how awesome that is. I've seen that room a couple times before. My friend and I always referred to smoking DMT as "going to the room" and that room was the same as what is pictured, or extremely similar.
I saw a similar room like that on 0.25 g lsd, the most i recall is that it was kinda similar except no cube/sphere and the squares were all the same color, rapidly shifting from any direction. So if the squares were red, then one square would turn blue and wash over the rest of them and everything would turn blue. But it happened really fast and over and over and...
But there was a circle and a second cube there just not in the same position like the room i was in was a cube, but it was also a sphere and a second cube (on its point like a diamond instead of on the flat side) I guess like a 4 or 5 dimensional object. No faces tho, but out of nowhere a little guy popped out of the wall and asked why I was so scared and he said relax just relax you will be fine. And then I don't remember much


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Re: My experience with god. [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22933572 - 02/22/16 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Fractal hats.  Interesting.


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