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InvisibleZero7a1
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"Natural" Perception
    #2290911 - 02/01/04 01:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

When you look out inside a city, or a suburban neigborhood, what do you see first... Nature, or human development.

(Nature in this case, being raw nature, plants, trees, wild animals other than humans, that are not in a cage, clouds, vegetation, etc)

(human development being buildings, cars, walkways, etc)

For instance: When you are walking down the street in your city do you:

A) see the strange eclectic mix of buildings, side walk, streets, and cars/. Then see the "raw nature".

Or:

B) Do you see the trees, the grass, the birds, and the sky, and then see the "human development".

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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2290945 - 02/01/04 02:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, I'm keeping my eye open for the wild nature no matter how domestic a place is. It'll grab my attention even if there is very little. A dandelion thats pushed its way though ashphalt, or a group of raucous crows is more likely to catch my eyes or ears than cement or metal structures. I find the smallest lifeform more awe inspiring than the largest building. But to be honest, I had to make the concious effort at first. There was a long time where I was unaware of those things until I realized my own unawareness and conciously altered my focus.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291082 - 02/01/04 04:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I wish I could say that I saw one or the other. Truth is, I see both.

Hmm. Wait a minute.

Minute's up.

I first see the buildings and streets, but I look for the vegetation.

I love both.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291309 - 02/01/04 09:14 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I tend to take in everything, as it is... what is there is what I see. Beauty and wonder is in it all. :grin:
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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291356 - 02/01/04 10:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

it depends on the time of day.  if I go outside in the morning, there are too many noisy cars that pass by, they scare the birds away obviously.  A lot of the time though if its morning, the clouds and the rising sun always put on a great show, especially since the sun rises above the green hills, hehe it's hella cool :grin:  in this case, I would be admiring nature and then see civilization as being planted on nature. 

then again I see littering a lot. but that's when I start thinking to myself, yeah littering on the streets sure, but isn't concrete littering on nature itself?  things are hard pressed to grow around concrete.  seeing it this way, it's civilization in nature.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: kaiowas]
    #2291535 - 02/01/04 12:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yo zero, go wake up fungus and duck and tell them their not horseman!


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291536 - 02/01/04 12:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds saine to me :smile:


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Gridge420]
    #2291543 - 02/01/04 12:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone ever think of people as being animals? Or am i just that fucked in the head? I have a feeling its the 2nd one lol


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: kaiowas]
    #2291544 - 02/01/04 12:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A carved stone can really bring out the natural features around it, AND it will bring out many things about human nature itself. (thats my opinion anyway, i really love sculpture too)

Or you could lay out a nice path of concrete. It is just rocks after all. You could do cobblestone, or lay out rocks in a nice pattern.

The bad thing about concrete, is when it is done to excess. I think it can really help out in certain circumstances for humans. But those square mile parking lots filled with concrete. Ahhhh... that a different story. WE know what that parking lot serves... for the most part. But concrete can be broken up and used for filler in certain spots. U can reverse the "damage" but it requires work. Some trash just doesnt decompose.


Its a balance, i think, that you have to work to maintain. Even when you build.

or destroy.

Reminds me of when i went to oregon a few summers ago, you couldnt help but be drawn the overpowering sense of nature. Although there was development, it provided a great contrast to dallas.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291615 - 02/01/04 01:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I liked whatshisname...Frank Lloyd Wright. Talk about being called to your profession. He totally changed architecture. Imagine being born to be the best at whatever it is you do. He was perfection.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Frog]
    #2291640 - 02/01/04 01:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Someone still hasnt "pushed the envelope". Im not an architecture Guru, im not really anything.

Ive studied little of Frank Lloyd Wright, but i do know that he is big role model for architects. Sure he was instrumental in developing the open plan, but i cannot say what he cared too much about.

SInce yesterdayy i had lost all kind of meaning about anything I was doing, it wasnt until swami made the wounded planet post, and Mr. Mushrooms response, that i forgot that existed outside of myself.

I like Louis Kahn more, if you look at his building in India, or the Kimbel Art museum, or read what he has written about how "buildings come about".

I think it offers a much more natural approach to architecture.

To me, from my ignorant stance, Frank Lloyd Wright was more interested in building solid building that were aesthetically pleasing, and in order to do that he had to incoporate the oustide.

But to me there is a lot more when considering building something. You have to think about the affect of the building on the enviroment, the people who will be living within the dwelling. Where do they get their food, do they have automobiles? Whats the weather like, what kind of geological activity goes on in the area.

What kinds of different wildlife are in the area. How can you use the natural things that you already have, to build the house, etc.

I dont think i aspire to be an architect in the "classical sense". To tell you the truth i dont know why i am doing it, only since yesterday did i realize one important thing about what i have been doing this whole time.

To preserve the beauty i have seen in the natural world, and to incorporate a dwelling that would reflect that beauty and premote the human condition.

Other than that, i dont have a clue as to what i am doing, i dont even know if it will work, i dont have the slightest sense of confidence, other than that which my imagination can conjure in order to get me through the days.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291663 - 02/01/04 02:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It's probably time for someone to "push the envelope" again. He most definitely pushed it. But it's time for another push. Timing is ripe. People have been building the same buildings for the last 50 years or more.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291786 - 02/01/04 03:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I see everything as one. I see trees growing through the sidewalk, slowly pulverizing it. I see stray cats rooting through trash cans. I see people sitting on stone benches underneath trees, surrounded by graffitto-tagged walls. I like the city. Its fascinating.

Nature is cool too, though. The wilderness in Texas is pretty boring, though. Not like the forests of Canada or the beaches of California.

I dont know if you can really call cleared fields designed to mass manufacture cattle "nature", though. You look at that shit from a plane and its just green squares all organized in a grid with roads and fences marking who owns what. Kind of disgusting.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2291792 - 02/01/04 03:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thats Texas for you :wink:. well where we live anyway.

I was trying to see what people saw first. You will see the nature, but which do you see, are you more prone to look for the buildings everywhere you go, or are you looking at nature, everywhere you go.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2291933 - 02/01/04 04:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I see nature first. I like both, but nature somehow is more diverse and infinitely better crafted than anything we can produce. God's an artist with a hell of a muse.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Gridge420]
    #2292781 - 02/02/04 12:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gridge420 said:
Anyone ever think of people as being animals? Or am i just that fucked in the head? I have a feeling its the 2nd one lol




I have often thought of it. Why do we seperate ourselves from nature so much. We are a part of nature so everything we make is just as natural as a beaver damn or bird's nest.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2292968 - 02/02/04 02:08 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Stone said:
I see nature first. I like both, but nature somehow is more diverse and infinitely better crafted than anything we can produce. God's an artist with a hell of a muse.




We are part of nature and our creations are part of its diversity.


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Re: "Natural" Perception [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2293044 - 02/02/04 02:56 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I see first "human-development" because it's everywhere goddamnit. But I pay alot more attention to Nature, I look more at natural existing things like clouds, trees, grass, my nicely toned arms. I don't look at Man-made objects with such a sense of love for life as I do with natural things, but cool Sky-scrapers or other amazing human feats are pretty damn crazy too but not as crazy at the mind-boggling thought of my existance.


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