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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22869874 - 02/06/16 01:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Im pretty sure bernie will get the nomination--he is offering more free stuff than hillary.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22869957 - 02/06/16 02:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, free college and healthcare sucks.  Poverty rules!  Cruz for President!!!

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22872178 - 02/06/16 06:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

None of that is free.  Why do you lie so baldly?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22872418 - 02/06/16 07:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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None of that is free.  Why do you lie so baldly?




Free to me, bro :wink:

lmao!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22872547 - 02/06/16 07:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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None of that is free.  Why do you lie so baldly?




Free to me, bro :wink:

lmao!



starfire_xes is the one who made the claim, not me.

Regardless, like wooof said, it'll be free to many people, and most others will come out way ahead.  The billionaires will have to pay a little more, but they'll still be billionaires.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22872605 - 02/06/16 08:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Milton Friedman - The Free Lunch Myth


         


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22872815 - 02/06/16 08:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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None of that is free.  Why do you lie so baldly?




Free to me, bro :wink:

lmao!



starfire_xes is the one who made the claim, not me.

Regardless, like wooof said, it'll be free to many people, and most others will come out way ahead.  The billionaires will have to pay a little more, but they'll still be billionaires.





That's not actually how it works.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22873036 - 02/06/16 09:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Then please explain how it works.  :popcorn:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22873091 - 02/06/16 09:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Milton Friedman - The Free Lunch Myth


         




It sounds like he's lecturing to a class full of kindergartners. Everyone understands that someone has to pay.  The point is that the middle class and the poor would get a lot more from the Government than what they would pay in taxes under Bernie, while the very rich would pay more.  We get it.  :whatever:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22873405 - 02/06/16 11:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The rich would pay more at the cost of who? It's either the workers or consumers. It's not as if the CEOs are going to start selling their shit off until they go broke and out of business. It's an operating machine that has to keep running in order to continue to provide jobs, and if it breaks down all the workers will be jobless. Less tax on a company may make the owners richer, but a majority of that money will go towards expanding the business and creating more jobs.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22873548 - 02/07/16 12:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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The rich would pay more at the cost of who? It's either the workers or consumers. It's not as if the CEOs are going to start selling their shit off until they go broke and out of business. It's an operating machine that has to keep running in order to continue to provide jobs, and if it breaks down all the workers will be jobless. Less tax on a company may make the owners richer, but a majority of that money will go towards expanding the business and creating more jobs.



Taxes on profits/income do not prevent companies from reinvesting in themselves, because money that is reinvested in the company is protected from taxes!  But the rich do not create jobs by investing in their companies anyway; that would only cost them money. Consumers create jobs by buying more products, and if consumers have more to spend, companies would earn more, and THEN could use that money to create more jobs to fill that demand. 

So the rich would only pay more at the cost of the rich.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22873831 - 02/07/16 01:53 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

This is where our ideologies differ. I believe a growing business will redistribute the wealth better through a free market system rather than the government. This has been the incentive to come to America for others in less developed countries. Opportunities with less government control.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22873853 - 02/07/16 02:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

What do you mean the free market redistributes wealth "better"?

If the Government taxes billionaires more, billionaires will have a little less to spend on themselves, but everyone else will have an equal amount more.  I don't know why you think billionaires spend money "better" than the rest of us.  I would argue the rest of us are more certain to actually spend the money, so the economy is actually better off than when a billionaire just puts the money into a mutual fund.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22873924 - 02/07/16 02:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you think they will just spend less on themselves and not fund the taxes by other means?  The government isn't taking the taxes and instantly handing it out to the poor. The more taxes the government takes, the more it grows with more control. The more the government weaves its tentacles into things the less control we have. Billionaires didn't appear out of thin air, they earned their money through the free market system.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22873962 - 02/07/16 03:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you think they will just spend less on themselves and not fund the taxes by other means?  The government isn't taking the taxes and instantly handing it out to the poor.



No, they're taking the taxes and handing it out to people that make America better a better place for everyone, by funding roads, schools, police, etc.

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The more taxes the government takes, the more it grows with more control. The more the government weaves its tentacles into things the less control we have.



So Government rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, or strengthening our military gives them control over me?  How so?

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Billionaires didn't appear out of thin air, they earned their money through the free market system.



And they should continue to do so.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22873991 - 02/07/16 03:48 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The government needs more of a redistribution of how it spends the money they already get than more of it.  Must sleep now...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22874270 - 02/07/16 07:56 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya, free college and healthcare sucks.  Poverty rules!  Cruz for President!!!

:highfive:





just vote for bernie and we'll all be shitting in high cotton, right? :smirk:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22874687 - 02/07/16 10:33 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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The government needs more of a redistribution of how it spends the money they already get than more of it.



Government could certainly do a better job of spending.  Corporate cronyism puts a lot of the tax money right back into the pockets of the rich.  That would change under Bernie, and there's nothing wrong with spending a little more to make the rest of our lives better.  What's wrong with free healthcare, for example?  Most people would come out WAY ahead.

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22875288 - 02/07/16 01:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

There's no quick fix for anything. Maybe if aliens would land and audit the government. 

Speaking of crony capitalism. The Clintons have an agent(Harry Walker Agency) for their speech deals, and she wasn't offered anything from Goldman Sachs. Especially when her base price per speech is around a quarter million. $675 thousand for her words of wisdom? :facepalm:


"It's what they offered" :facepalm:


$153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees, documented

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22875327 - 02/07/16 01:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

She doesn't want people to see how worthless her speeches are. How can anyone not see right through her line of bullshit here. 



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