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Ganja jay
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New mushie spores :)
#22864877 - 02/04/16 06:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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So . I've been growing for a few years now.. usually with pink buffalo , Cambodian, b+ , John Allen, golden teachers . I just ordered some new spores ~ blue Melanie , lizard king , creeper and transkie
Wonder if anyone has pictures and or info about these new (to me) strains . .
Having had anything to trip off in about a year everything has been going bad. , so I threw out all my old equipment and got new stuff ..(still need my Malverde statue) lol ... yeah I'm if it was my pressure cooker that was fucked up or my water content or the temp.. it has been pretty cold lately. My old jars didn't have a lot of contamination at all out of like 12 jar there was one with a yellow mold
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bodhisatta
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Re: New mushie spores :) [Re: Ganja jay]
#22864892 - 02/04/16 06:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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they're not strains they're varieties. you don't have strains until the spores mate and make mycelium. some strains will be good others will be shit. if you grow from spores you get average results because you will have a mix of hundreds of strains. you can mix different varieties together if you would like the spores don't know any different
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Ganja jay
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So wait . Your saying until my spores meet and form the actual mycelium it's not considered a strain ? So I have a variety of lizard king ? And when I do have my jars colonized with let's say lizard kind then I can say I have a lizard king strain ? Mixing varieties? As in when I inoc with syringe. Like 1cc of LK and 1cc of PB in the same jar ? (Sound awesome) never even thought of something like that Is that why it's not considered a strain because I can (Idk the correct word for this ) mutate , infuse 2 varieties to get a strain .. Sorry just asking questions. Wanna get all the information I've been missing out on (just made my account finally so I can post lol
And if I did mix 2 varieties when the spores meet dose that mean I created a new strain?
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bodhisatta
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Re: New mushie spores :) [Re: Ganja jay]
#22864947 - 02/04/16 07:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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varieties are just spore to spore lineages. they're like a race of cubensis. when you squirt the spores of any variety into a jar you'll end up with 100s of strains. every two spores that successfully mate = a strain. some strains are good some strains suck.
if you mix two varieties all you end up with is cubes. if you're lucky and have something like an albino variety of cubes and a regular variety you can get a varietal hybrid with a lot of work that might resemble both of them. this only really works with the "Special" varieties of cubensis that have a mutation worked in. like the cubes that throw out brown spores rather than black or the varieties that grow albinos. those spores can still put out normal looking cubes, but they're effectively a new race. and of course asians can fuck blacks.
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Ganja jay
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Lol fashion thank you for the lesson the guy that showed Me to grow was always like "a cube is a cube" never really got down lol.
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mushpunx
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Yea dude all of those varieties have the same potential for yeild and potency. Same growing parameters. They'll differ cosmetically.
To get an individual strain, you have to grow out your spores on agar plates and make transfers untill you see sectoring. You would then isolate each individual sector, and then keep making transfers until they are isolated individual strains that dont sector.
To keep one of those isolated strains you have to keep iy as a live culture. If you were to take a spore print from one and grow it out it would be like hitting a reset button.
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bodhisatta
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Re: New mushie spores :) [Re: Ganja jay]
#22864981 - 02/04/16 07:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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a cube is a cube is useful to show that you won't be getting better results by switching up the variety.
but a cube isn't a cube.
if you have a wild cubensis mushroom and you take a print. it has a very high heterozygoticity. that is the genes in it are diverse. it has the potential to make all sorts of shit tall short fat slow potent weak etc....
you grow it out. and you take a spore print from the mushroom with the darkest cap. take those spores do another grow from spores. do the same thing over and over and over. this will slowly go towards homozygoticity. that is less diverse genes. you're ensuring that the genes for dark caps are being increased and pale caps might be starting to get weeded out, they get rare.
this is now a variety. it tends to have dark caps. BUT it still has the potential to grow awesome mushrooms or shit ones if you grow from spores. spores are not reliable results it resets the genetic lottery, a variety might have very striking visual differences but the genetics are 99.99% the same as any other variety of cubes.
to get good cubes most of us will use agar and clone. the last link in my signature is all about agar for mycology
the mushrooms that grow from a grow started with spores. those mushrooms might be made up of more than one strain. an isolate is a single strain, that is the set of genetics caused by one set of spores mating. you can get isolates there's fractions of a percentage of awesome cultures for the shitty cultures that exist. a great isolate is hard to find. you're much better off with a clone. those are genetics that are already proven.
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mushpunx
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Yea clones are pretty awesome.
But good isolate is worth its weight in gold I have 25 PE isolates right now from one original culture that are gunna need testing soon. Im sure only one or two will be keepers
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Re: New mushie spores :) [Re: Ganja jay]
#22865048 - 02/04/16 07:31 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: there is a sticky for strain discussion....and a whole forum for it now
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