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Triffid

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Re: Does anyone know how homeopathic medicine manufacturers are legally allowed to make a profit in Aus? [Re: Ythan]
    #22827291 - 01/26/16 04:22 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

scroll back and read - who insults first, me or those i retaliated against?

what a fucking suprise, it wasn't me who started the abuse and the name-calling or the talking down. or are you not allowed to swear here either?

how can you have honestly not noticed that? do you have issues with chronology?

you need to realise, that what you call science isn't true science. it's a religion version of science, it's about looking for things to match up preconcieved notions. it's nothing to do with discovering how stuff actually works.

or more accurately, you need to realise who all knows that is what you do.

i haven't found any problems in the rest of the science forum in terms of my finding it difficult to discuss things - which is obviously because i am not anti-science, i'm anti-lies and anti-stupid, but like i said it is obvious you have a shill problem here (in general in all the forums) - the same shills that patrol every other forum online.


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Re: Does anyone know how homeopathic medicine manufacturers are legally allowed to make a profit in Aus? [Re: visitors]
    #22827318 - 01/26/16 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

why always the double standards when i insult anyone?

they're allowed to insult me, but i can't insult them? why is that.

if i'm wrong in what i typed explaining it - explain it then. why is there one set of rules for those who insult me, and a second set of rules for me if i insult them back?


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Re: you still know you're lying and you think it won't matter - but it does [Re: sudly]
    #22827437 - 01/26/16 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

sudly said:



John Nada said:"Psychedelics heal everything related to thoughts, feelings, or spirits/souls."




In controlled environments, psilocybin and LSD surely can.
Quote:


"We are currently studying the effect of LSD on creative thinking and we will also be looking at the possibility that psilocybin may help alleviate symptoms of depression by allowing patients to change their rigidly pessimistic patterns of thinking."

"Psychedelics were used for therapeutic purposes in the 1950s and 1960s but now we are finally beginning to understand their action in the brain and how this can inform how to put them to good use."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2679030/Are-magic-mushrooms-key-treating-depression-Brain-scans-reveal-psychedelic-drug-trips-induce-optimistic-dream-like-thinking.html





Microdoses of psilocybin also help to relieve symptoms of anxiety as psilocybin has anxiolytic properties. 
Quote:

"Psilocybin is thought to act as an agonist at serotonin receptors, meaning it increases serotonin transmission. Thus, it may be that antidepressants like SSRIs that act on serotonin--at least as part of their mechanism--have something in common with psilocybin. And, it suggests that perhaps psilocybin should continue to be investigated for its antidepressant and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) properties."
http://www.neuroscientificallychallenged.com/blog/2014/5/12/magic-mushrooms-and-the-amygdala








Dude, those are two articles, one about anxiety and the other is about depression. Nothing about other mental problems, especially nothing as deep as schizophrenic delusions about satanic government conspiracies. And you're even trying to use an article in the Daily Mail UK as a source, haha. Using your same level of logic, psychedelics will surely make you drive a bus full of school children into a wall at full speed killing them all because I found an article about a kid walking off a cliff while on LSD. Come on, now. Psychedelics aren't some panacea and can actually be harmful, whether you want to agree with that or not. They can definitely make mental illness worse, and there's a lot more studies about them exacerbating mental problems than healing them.

Anyway, medical professionals giving certain drugs in certain amounts to people in a controlled clinical setting and seeing some possible positive effects for certain conditions is a hell of a lot different than advising random delusional people with symptoms of deep psychological problems that they just need to take random amounts of psilocybin and LSD and will get better. That is as irresponsible as it gets. In your zealotry you have reduced yourself to that "visitors" guy level, if not lower. I find it ironic that you made this thread criticizing homeopathic medicine but then espouse a similar pseudoscientific approach when it comes to psychedelics. You're doing yourself and everyone else here a disservice.


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Re: Does anyone know how homeopathic medicine manufacturers are legally allowed to make a profit in Aus? [Re: visitors]
    #22827549 - 01/26/16 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

The fact that someone disagrees with your point of view doesn't mean they're persecuting you, even if you might feel that they are. Our rules are specifically about insulting people, like the examples I highlighted in your previous post. There's no problem with calling someone's beliefs into question, which is what you are complaining about. You are welcome to disagree with other members if you do so in a respectful manner. If you fail to grasp this simple concept we're gonna have to wrap up this shit-show and send you on your way.


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Invisiblesudly
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Re: you still know you're lying and you think it won't matter - but it does [Re: John Nada]
    #22827668 - 01/26/16 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Visitors:
I'd say mind over matter sums up placebos pretty well.

Is it not scientific to say that perhaps our behaviours of cognitive thought are influenced by the responses of our nervous systems?

I agree that there have been a lot of silly ideas coming to light in recent years. This is humanity making an attempt to find an answer to questions we haven't yet solved. 

It seems logical to me to believe the brain does 'make it all up'.
E.g. A pink elephant.
(I assume you imagined or will imagine one)

Quote:

"It's all very well to suggest the brain makes things up, but then why should our brains choose to believe the brain telling us that, since they too must also have made that all up."



Why not? Thoughts come and go, thinking something doesn't make it true.

Quote:

"What'll it be - that somehow the way you learned whatever language/s you speak and read, is hard wired into your immune system in such a way that it has like a compiler it uses to go."



Basically yeah, I think we have instinctive behaviours coded into our dna in a similar way to that of how individual weaver bird species each build distinctive nests.

Instinct isn't that complicated, it appears to be derived from DNA.
Quote:

"The fact that weaver birds builds a particular kind of nest is most important, not that they become more proficient weavers with practice. Let him who denies instinct because 'all is learned' try to teach a robin to build an oriole's nest."
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=y_Uijv0cgTcC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=weaver+bird+instinctive+nest+building+experiment&source=bl&ots=MMGfEyNZHO&sig=LlN53KuRo4Z-c0GHGvbyZWyTgnM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj38cndgZHKAhWDjJQKHSWyALEQ6AEIQTAH#v=onepage&q=weaver%20bird%20instinctive%20nest%20building%20experiment&f=false




We're not talking about vitamin C here we're talking about anxiolytic neurotransmitter supplements in the form of psilocybin that directly affects the nervous systems responses and reactions to environmental stimuli.

Quote:

visitors said:
what's more likely:

some types of people can't be hypnotised
or
some hypnotists can't hypnotise certain people

the brain makes up reality
or
the brain processes reality

the camera takes pictures of things outside itself
or
the camera generates the pictures internally in a universe consisting only of the camera.




I'm stating that all of those are true and that the made up reality is our individual subjective experience.

Quote:

"Sometimes some people do, but not me. Nobody to push. Why would you suggest otherwise?"



Just a guess.
My condolences for your loss whatever it may be, just remember there's black and white in every day.

Maybe these 'energies' we experience are the intensity of our nervous system responses.
Nothing leaves your body when you die other than gas and liquids.

I'm going to go on a whim here and say I've probably dosed more shrooms than you unless you're a guy from the 60's.
Shrooms treat me with love and I love them because I do not take them for granted and respect their capabilities of altering our state of mind.

I insulted your ideas not you, I respect your right to have opinions but it doesn't mean I have to respect what they are.
The KKK can have their opinions but it doesn't mean I have to respect them.


John Nada:
It's a simplistic summary, what more is there to our nervous system than anxiety/depression, love and exitement?

No one said psychedelic therapy meant handing out drugs to people with mental issues. The idea for therapeutic use of psychedelics is to treat mental issues  with regulated doses for minimal effects and to talk to the patient with professional supervisions inside a clinic.

I know, this is why I mentioned visitors might need therapy.


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Edited by sudly (01/26/16 06:57 PM)


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Triffid

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Re: homeopathy is based in real science, not half-awake reductionist belief-system science [Re: visitors]
    #22829067 - 01/27/16 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

you have insulted me, quite a lot of you that posted here insulted me personally BEFORE i wrote similar back to you.

it's all very fucking easy to see just by reading the 'black and white' in this thread.

you bully people in general and i already pointed that out too.

and claiming people who know there's satanic cults operating governments and so forth schizos - is a personal attack on them. as well as an insult to their intelligence. wars have been declared for less.

as i've made clear, anyone with a brain reading through this thread would agree with me entirely. you very clearly are such a hive-minded cult. the manner you post in is identical to government propaganda lies and shill media outlets - you push a specific agenda, which is harmful to all that matters, and you bully anyone not in your club whilst displaying extremely blatant double standards in favor of you being allowed to bully, and others not being allowed to answer you back.

and since this obvious also seems to need to be pointed out too - no, i also insulted you AFTER you attacked me personally - based on your beliefs, and i explained too why your beliefs don't hold any water, several times.

are you all jews as has been suggested elsewhere, is that what your cult is based in? or is it based in homosexuality or kiddy-fiddling? i'm not being funny, i mean it, there must be a common baseline you share to be the way you are - is it from those two usual ones?

so then - why the double standards, and also now the outright blatant denial of the double standrds - as if i forgot how to read and lost my memory too? do you think you have great hypnosis skills so that when i read your replies i'll forget what actually happns and somehow go along with your inaccurate description merely because you wrote one?


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Re: homeopathy is based in real science, not half-awake reductionist belief-system science [Re: visitors]
    #22829088 - 01/27/16 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

you sound like a crowley cult: method is science, aim is religion. same attitude as some of his latter day followers - obvious denial for shill purposes of the blatant truth of how things are. conveniently lumping any knowledge of government satanic corruption and the likes into 'must be delusional'.


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Re: homeopathy is based in real science, not half-awake reductionist belief-system science [Re: visitors]
    #22829134 - 01/27/16 12:31 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

don't try to make me laugh either: done more shrooms. done any - uh no. i've seen plenty of people obviously in your same cults realise their error after partaking in any 'consciousness expanding' drugs.



"I'm stating that all of those are true and that the made up reality is our individual subjective experience": no. that view is a popular distraction just now, it's tiny minded and based in a failure to have correct thinking foundations.

how can the camera be making up the reality it photographs? how can only the camera exist and nothing else does? that kind of thinking has no logical foundations. if it appied to people then logically that means only one person is real and all that exists is their body-mind. and then you're still left with accounting for how that body-mind got there and why it's made out of what it's made out of. which you can't do anyway since unless it's your body-mind then you no longer exist nor does anyone else to test it.

do animals in the wild benefit from all having differing subjective experiences of where a threat comes from and when, or where what food is available? of course not. reality has to be processed as it actually is in order for anything to work properly. the brain can't afford to make shit up. so why would it evolve to do so in humans, when it's equally unhelpful to them too.


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Re: homeopathy is based in real science, not half-awake reductionist belief-system science [Re: visitors]
    #22829257 - 01/27/16 01:55 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Oh boohoo if you're insulted that's your choice.
E.g. I can tell two people to fuck off, one can laugh while the other cries.
I can say one thing and get two different responses from two different people.

I mentioned vegans and spiritualistic hippies, if that's what offends you then maybe you're a little too sensitive. 

If someone came up to me and told me the Earth is flat I wouldn't nod my head and agree I'd discuss it and express my disagreements with the person. Same thing here.

I agree that satanic cults exist but there isn't any evidence supporting the claim that they run governments although I wouldn't call the people in Wall Street far off being devils.

You are as clear as cum my friend..
I don't think you're grasping the point that you are allowed to answer back with any disagreement you have.

You haven't insulted me, that would require me to respect you.

Quote:

"are you all jews as has been suggested elsewhere, is that what your cult is based in? or is it based in homosexuality or kiddy-fiddling? i'm not being funny, i mean it, there must be a common baseline you share to be the way you are - is it from those two usual ones?"



I do not know anything about this gay Jewish kiddy fiddler 'cult' you speak of.

I kinda hoped you'd read the substance of what I wrote but that doesn't seem to have happened, that or you didn't understand it. 

Again I have no idea what 'truth' is being denied, what these cults you speak of are or why you are relating satanism and government corruption, the fat cats are corrupted because they are greedy and don't pay their taxes by bribing politicians.

The brain processes our objective reality and simulates an individual subjective one.

This may get confusing but I will post it anyway.

Quote:


We live in a non-dual reality that is dichotomous.
Reality in an objective sense can be called non-dual.
However, with the existence of a subjective sense, reality can be in duality.

One subjective reality perceived individually within a person, one objective reality separate from the individual which has observable deterministic properties.
Linked by our brain.

Animals appear to have a singular camera perspective and act as philosophical zombies.
The challenge then would be to teach them that there is not only a view of out but a view of in too.

The thing is that the in and out already exists in an animal. It is their ego verses their instinct. What matters is that they have to be taught how to perceive that there is an in and out from both an in and out perspective.

How to do this is the tricky bit because it takes a lot of time and experience to learn.

Like taking 3d photo's you have the offset of the left and right matched to the offset of your individual eyes. what if one wondered? what if your left eye was looking into someone else's right eye, and your right eye was looking back at your right eye from their perspective, and vice versa for them.





Imagine 2 antelope in a field, if one is aware of a nearby lion and the other is not the results are predictable. In this sense awareness can be an evolutionary advantage.

Imagination seems to have gotten us pretty far, I don't see how the brain can't afford to make shit up when we make up everything with it.
All the words both you and I have written are made up by the processes of our brain.

I struggle to see any point you've made other than the government is full of satanists and everyone's part of a cult but you.


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Edited by sudly (01/27/16 02:08 AM)


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: sudly]
    #22829462 - 01/27/16 05:56 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

which - yet again - proves me correct, that there's a double standard against me (and in general, against anyone who doesn't agree with your stupid version of science that leaves out about half of reality).

you lot claimed i'm not allowed to insult you, so of course - which i shouldn't have to do since if you read the thread correctly you'd know this - i reminded you i was insulted by you first.

i didn't complain you insulted me - i just correctly went on to insult you back and further the point you're clearly an idiot conspiracy of satanists.

yet now you think you can further construe the facts, to make it seem as if it was me that started being the butthurt one.

you threatened me to stop insulting you - which proves you can't take it when anyone does back to you what you do to them.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors]
    #22829476 - 01/27/16 06:02 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

look, i don't think you grasp any fucking thing at all about truth.

you need it to be true that reality is subjective, that you have sided with a type of science that actually explains things....of course it doesn't.

your version of science just pretends anything it can't explain doesn't exist, calls it paranormal or similar, and uses its wrong concepts that the brain invents shit to back up your other circular logic.

there is a correct real way things are, things look, and things happen to. it doesn't matter if your brain or mind misses it - that doesn't change reality. what controls reality is people being hypnotised and mind controlled with lies, as then they deal with reality as-if xyz is the case, when xyz is not the case.

example - your 'dominant paradigm' deals with reality as if things like ghosts are not real. however, ghosts and the likes are real. therefore you create an illusion to live in, based on untruths, where all your systems ignore the truth and exist as if it is otherwise.

big giant fail.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors]
    #22829486 - 01/27/16 06:07 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

also bear in mind that any thinkings that the brain or minds perceptions are untrustworthy in determining truth, is like saying:

'here is a faulty measuring device that i cannot trust. and now i shall use it to prove why you shouldn't trust faulty measuring devices.'

the minds and brains of the experimenters are as suspect as their subjects, and therefore they null their own findings. their findngs can never be taken as accurate, since they too have been done by a brain or mind with its own subjective way of seeing things.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors]
    #22829618 - 01/27/16 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

visitors said:
example - your 'dominant paradigm' deals with reality as if things like ghosts are not real. however, ghosts and the likes are real.



This illustrates that your convictions are at least as strong as those of the people you blame for advocating theirs. I honestly don't see any reason for you to be so aggressive in defending your viewpoints and even blaming others for threatening you, while you have called a large group of people liars and devil worshipers (which is outright hilarious) without given the smallest shred of an argumentation for your allegations. How did you come to the conclusion that you're right and others are wrong (and not only that, but also malevolent)? Through which process have you gone and which arguments and evidence did you come across that led to your convictions? Because that bit doesn't seem to clear up all that well in this discussion. Could you help me understand why you believe what you believe and for what reason you feel that people who don't share your convictions must be downright evil? In my mind, that doesn't make sense, but it seems to make perfect sense to you, so I'm curious about your reasoning.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: koraks]
    #22830705 - 01/27/16 02:18 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

you've done the standard intl liar thing yet again - it's unbelievable how nobody else notices or says anything about it.

you try to defend you insulting me - without actually answering to any of the lies you posted, that i gave you replies to.

where's your reply to where i outlined how there are plenty of reductionist science types of papers proving and also strongly suggesting that microwave communication systems cook your cells?

well? can you defend knowingly lying about that?

there's plenty of proof ghosts and paranormal whatevers are real. who is more likely to be lying - people clearly shills for a specifc set of rules of thinking, or, literally millions of everyday folks that know what they saw and know what they experienced?

RADIONICS - there's an interesting one.

so this guy proves that he can cure fields of crops of pests, merely by taking a photo of the field, and then putting like a drop of some pesticide on it, and using their radionics equipment (which lots of them seem to claim is merely a thought amplifier, or some means to focus intent via) to clear the fields of any pests. then he says chemical companies who make and sell biocides shut him down cause it'd mean they'd only sell like a bottle every few years per farmer, rather than the usual modern way of farming that pour tonnes of toxins onto crops and into the soil and water and air.

even if it is a 'thought amplifier' - how does it work? a non-local link is made between the place and the photo of the place - because....? what energy is it that links the two.

it is like something else i mentioned here i think way back on the first page -

i challenge anyone to watch a video of the kings chamber in the great pyramid, and not agree they can feel the acoustics. you would have to have no emotional body at all to not notice it. feel that silence and stillness, even though you are not anywhere near egypt, merely seeing a broadcast via technology of something is more than enough for its energy to imprint upon you -

that being the case, isn't it possible that a true reason these types of energies are denied by some claining to be scientific, is because it then shows how toxic and polluted society is, because there's fucking imnages and photos all over the place braodcasting the energy of the people places and objects in them. utter chaos, prevents coherent thinking, stops awareness dead in its tracks.

same way they'd prefer not to admit that water is imprinted by the energy of anything it touches. cause then they have to admit the manner in which they 'clean' water, and deliver it, basically broadcasts diseases and broadcasts ill health to anyone that touches it.


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Invisiblesudly
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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors]
    #22830938 - 01/27/16 03:30 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

Don't aim your insults at the individual aim them at their ideas.
E.g. "I think dowsing other than magnetic is more than just someone shaking a stick".
Answer: That is a stupid idea to have in modern times.

Quote:

"I didn't complain you insulted me - i just correctly went on to insult you back and further the point you're clearly an idiot conspiracy of satanists."



Furthering your point by repeating your point without change or addition is a shamble of effort on your part.


Quote:

"yet now you think you can further construe the facts, to make it seem as if it was me that started being the butthurt one.

you threatened me to stop insulting you - which proves you can't take it when anyone does back to you what you do to them."




Ythan gave you a warning for vulgar language directed at an individual instead of their ideology.
I haven't threatened you with anything and nor can I because I am not a mod.

Quote:

"look, i don't think you grasp any fucking thing at all about truth."



2+2=4, I seem to have the gist of it.

Science simply doesn't make claims if there is no physical, objective, testable evidence to make a claim.

Quote:

"There is a correct real way things are, things look, and things happen to. it doesn't matter if your brain or mind misses it - that doesn't change reality. what controls reality is people being hypnotised and mind controlled with lies, as then they deal with reality as-if xyz is the case, when xyz is not the case."



The correct real way of things is the objective reality with deterministic physical properties.
The subjective reality is the 'mind controlled' reality that we each experience individually within ourselves.

Quote:

"example - your 'dominant paradigm' deals with reality as if things like ghosts are not real. however, ghosts and the likes are real."



Example - your 'dominant paradigm' deals with reality as if things like a flat earth are not real. However, a flat Earth and the likes are real."

^ This is not how to have an argument.
Quote:

"big giant fail."




2+2=4? I dunno man, might not be true.
If you don't trust your mind then maybe you need to learn some self respect.

The best we can do to find truth and advance our knowledge/technology is to produce collectively peer reviewed interpretations of measurable objective observations and phenomena.

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"where's your reply to where i outlined how there are plenty of reductionist science types of papers proving and also strongly suggesting that microwave communication systems cook your cells?"



Certain frequencies of EM waves can cook your cells or rip apart the DNA inside them. There are PLENTY of peer reviewed scientific journals and papers  out there on the subject of EM waves.
What point is there in stating something so obvious?

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"here's plenty of proof ghosts and paranormal whatevers are real. who is more likely to be lying - people clearly shills for a specifc set of rules of thinking, or, literally millions of everyday folks that know what they saw and know what they experienced?"




Golly me that must mean all the people who claim to have seen UFO's and big foot were telling the truth!

Radionics you say?

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"The claims for radionics devices contradict the accepted principles of biology and physics. No scientifically verifiable mechanisms of function are posited. In this sense, they can be described as magical in operation. No plausible biophysical basis for the "putative energy fields" has been proposed, and neither the fields themselves nor their purported therapeutic effects have been convincingly demonstrated."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radionics#Scientific_assessment




There's sound in the kings chamber video so I guess I can hear it :shrug:

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"That being the case, isn't it possible that a true reason these types of energies are denied by some claiming to be scientific, is because it then shows how toxic and polluted society is, because there's fucking images and photos all over the place broadcasting the energy of the people places and objects in them."



Nope, the only reason the energies you speak of are denied being scientific is because they cannot be objectively observed or tested.

So why doesn't this 'imprinting of energy' work with salt? The more you dilute salt the less salinity there is in the water and the less salty it is..
Bacteria can live in water, not sure how that's anything other than ordinary.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors] * 1
    #22832735 - 01/28/16 01:17 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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visitors said:
you've done the standard intl liar thing yet again - it's unbelievable how nobody else notices or says anything about it.



Lying is deliberately telling things that are untrue or, by extension (although not everyone shares this aspect of the definition), keeping silent about matters that are known to the person in question. I see no credible evidence of anyone lying to you in this thread, although it's impossible to be certain (the same goes for you, mind you). I can assert you that I don't lie though. Calling me a liar is impolite to say the least and only betrays an unimaginable degree of prejudice and bad judgement.

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where's your reply to where i outlined how there are plenty of reductionist science types of papers proving and also strongly suggesting that microwave communication systems cook your cells?



If you search for scientific articles that should support your claims of low-power mobile devices 'cooking your cells', you'll find that dozens of studies have been done into both real and perceived health effects, and both in-vivo studies in animals as well as epidemiological studies in real human populations. None of these studies have found a significant influence of wireless devices on physical (actual or perceived) health. None. If you'd like me to list a couple of references, that's fine, but you can easily find them yourself on pubmed, Web of science or Google scholar (provided you have a basic knowledge of how to search for academic publications - it's not difficult though, especially with Google scholar).

I'm not lying to you. As far as I can tell, nobody in this thread is lying to you. The insults you have received in this discussion are the result of your being adamant in making unfounded claims about a host of issues in combination with a very unsavory and belligerent way of debating, which involves systematically calling people liars and satanists. I'm personally not insulted by this due to the utter hilariousness of your claims and allegations, and if you want to continue to debate in the way you've done so far, I recommend growing an even thicker skin than me, because you'll be facing an endless course of shit storms.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: koraks]
    #22832817 - 01/28/16 02:24 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: sudly]
    #22833047 - 01/28/16 06:08 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

look, it's not in question that microwaves used in comms systems are harmful to biology. i don't know how you could search for papers on it and find nothing. the ones i found for the report i did was back in 2010, but more to the point - before cell phones and wi-fi were all over the place, before mobile phone companies started selling to anyone besides giant-phone-yuppies, it was well known that the microwaves cause tumors.


back a couple of replies, well the point wasn't clear. so i re-stated it. cause it wasn't answered to correctly the first time: i didn't complain per say about how i was treated, i brought it up only because after i replied in kind that was then used to make it seem like somehow i'd initiated the complaints.

i don't know that salt in water stops it being imprintable. i wouldn't think so.

i think you block out the fact things like souls exist. cf your sig quote and the mantid - if you view the usual info about the end of mantid courtship through a reductionist science lens, then it does seem to match the darwin quote. if however you view it, and the ecosystems natural cycle of life-death, through a viewpoint that it must be designed (or at least it accidently was formed from something of purposeful design), and that there are indeed such things as souls that animate bodies, and can reincarnate, and so forth - then that same mantid courtship could be all kinds of things. it could be that there only are a set amount of souls that will be a mantis, and the soul which was the male mantis is the same soul that will be the new mantis born later.
a problem with human society is that it kills other species without reference to their souls at all.
reductionist science seems to be a way for them to kill things they are not entitled to be utilising at all. there's no agreement between most humans and the other species they use at the soul level - they just go along with kidding on it doesn't exist so they can block their conscience of what they're actually doing.

what should be a priority design and build is a live 'aura camera', as then there'd be no question of who is possessed by who or what. that'd sort out a huge amount of problems, for example lots of people could prove that what currently gets claimed to be a psychosis is in fact real - there really are aetheric spirits or living people astrally projecting and so forth, who are controlling physical biological bodies for harassment purposes.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: visitors]
    #22833493 - 01/28/16 09:11 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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visitors said:
look, it's not in question that microwaves used in comms systems are harmful to biology. i don't know how you could search for papers on it and find nothing. the ones i found for the report i did was back in 2010, but more to the point - before cell phones and wi-fi were all over the place, before mobile phone companies started selling to anyone besides giant-phone-yuppies, it was well known that the microwaves cause tumors.




Again, you present zero support for your claim. You also seem to stick to the logical fallacy that all microwaves are equal, while you completely ignore the issue of power. Stand directly in front of a multiple-kW radar transmitter for too long, and you'll be slowly cooked like a microwave meal. Stand in front of a half-Watt WiFi access point, and you just have an excellent internet connection.
As to the issue of microwaves having been proven to cause cancer: feel free to show me the evidence. I can't produce it, despite having searched for it several times. It's just not there.


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Re: reality (ie - truth) isn't something your kind seem able to deal with at all [Re: koraks]
    #22833546 - 01/28/16 09:32 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

well i know it's true. and if you genuinely searched it then the only way you couldn't know it's true is if you are being mind-controlled not to see certain things.

it's so obviously true that i'd prefer if anyone else is reading this that they go search it and see how much info comes up, without me directing them to a specific website.

using just logic, it's no stretch of the imagination to realise. yes the power is lower than a transmitter, but the electro signalling your biological cells use is even tinier than the wattage in a handset. so it don't take a genius to realise if that amount of power is near your cells, then it will disrupt them quite a lot. it cooks them from the inside out, as microwave ovens cook food.

incidentally, food blasted in a microwave oven is hardly good for you either. some peope have done experiments watering plants with water they put in a microwave oven, and it doesn't take many days for the plants to die from being given that water. poor plants.

personally i don't get how anyone can not notice wi-fi and mobile phones giving them headaches or are cooking them. i knew about that before i ever used one, and still i was shocked at how sore it was to actually use one. i thought it maybe would take a while, or it's like one of those things you know is bad for you but it isn't immediately obvious, or you can't tell what it is doing to you. (when i use '3g' it takes a lot longer for that to start being sore.) how can that many people be that numb and still be real people, it makes no sense to me.


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