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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #2291248 - 02/01/04 07:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

still too soon to say for sure.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: simplemachine]
    #2291279 - 02/01/04 08:19 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I wouldn't call anyone who wastes a qp of dank bud an expert on aything...unless he's an expert on how to waste pot.


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it's not a 'waste' if one learns something.
rodger was, as you can easily see, very
interested in hemp as a substrate,
hence the pix you see.
and if one knows how to grow pot,
then it's cheap and plentiful.
no big deal.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2291359 - 02/01/04 10:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Also having a brewed grinds vs new hydrated grinds would be a good test. I bet allot of the nutes go into the coffee when it's brewed. Have at least 2 of each for a more controled experiment.




the hydrated grinds will not pin...im many cases it wont colonize, coffee doesnt retain enough water to allow colonization, I did this a year ago with a mix of coffee/WBS and with straight coffee...both were unbrewed grounds, the WBS mix colonized completely and unless you know how to tell whats a contaminant in coffee you'll play hell trying to recognize colonization.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: simplemachine]
    #2291368 - 02/01/04 10:21 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I wouldn't call anyone who wastes a qp of dank bud an expert on aything...unless he's an expert on how to waste pot.





Rodger is not what I would call an expert either but I would rank him in the top 10 of people that are willing to experiment with the unusual, roger has proven that if mycelium wishes to grow it will....his experiment with pot has proven that the oils and resins were not enough to stop growth, the bible experiment had aided in proving that animal tissue is not always going to be a source of contamination and that cubensis will fruit from it.

Rodger has contributed a great deal to the comunity, dont look at the pictures and guess...analize what you see and compare it to what you have learned to be fact...now, was it a fact or has it been proven wrong.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2291804 - 02/01/04 03:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

3 out of 6 half pints dunked in 50/50 coffee/water, there in the fridge for a 12 hour cold shock, then will be birthed as cakes. ill put up pictures when i get some pins.

the race is on

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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: angryjslice]
    #2292183 - 02/01/04 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I bet 25/25 verm coir would do the trick with the hydrated unbrewed grinds.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2292296 - 02/01/04 08:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't it make more sense to incorporate the coffee into the casing mix? Seeing as it has little nutritional value, and the timing would be better. It seems like a whole bunch of people on this thread will be fruiting invitro. btw,, I'm gonna give this a go as well.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ddaedalus]
    #2292342 - 02/01/04 08:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

the problem with using liquid coffee in a casing is that mold will quickly grow on coffee, ever let a cup/pot sit a few days ?
just hydrating the grain in diluted coffee then PCing is much less risky.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2292392 - 02/01/04 09:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Point taken. I'm still gonna try it this way since I have some jars I can afford to write off. I'll try it using the pills as well, which would make those problems moot anyways. Also thanks for starting this thread.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ddaedalus]
    #2292466 - 02/01/04 09:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The guys on the other forum seem to think that coffee has no special effects besides being organically rich. It just boosts up your potency if you use it to hydrate vs using straight water which dilutes the medium. So basically its a "tea" fertilizer. I'm sure it would help allot to get an extra flush or yield more if used to dunk or re-hydrate.

One of the first posts i had was if you can use sterilized or pasteurized manure tea to dunk or re-hydrate your medium. Everyone just told me that contams would be bad. After considering how well the coffee works. I think i will give my rabbit manure tea a try after i get one or two flushes.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2292493 - 02/01/04 09:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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The guys on the other forum seem to think that coffee has no special effects besides being organically rich.



lol
what they 'think'
cannot carry more weight
than rodger's pictures.
far too many folks out there
'thinking' they know the answers
to questions they've never asked.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2292501 - 02/01/04 09:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

rodger was the one saying it i beleive.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2292510 - 02/01/04 09:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

not any more,
if it was rodger,
which i kinda doubt.
show me where he said that, plz.
proly was some time ago,
before he drew different conclusions.
it's not just extra nutes causing the jars to pin so fast.
if that were true we'd see similar in other instances,
with, for example, more nutritious substrates.
yet that's not the case.
there's something more to these results
than can easily be explained by just
extra food value.
note pskov's experiment,
which just used caffeine, no coffee
so therefore no extra nutes.
yet= pskov said
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 02:37 am:
My friend made some caffine water from a 200mg caffine pill and 100cc(ish) of HOT water. most of it didn't disolve, but the color and the caffine did (pretty sure). he then dunked two PF cakes(post first flush) in normal water, and two in normal water + 17cc of the caffine water (couldn't use more or he would have been using sludge from the pills, eww). it's now 5-6 days later (i think) and both sets of jars have pins. However, the Caffine jars have more, by a substantian margine, and they are larger. They are in identical substrates at the same heat/light/etc. Z strain from multi-spores.

His conclusion so far from this is that the caffine is stimulating pinning


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2292813 - 02/02/04 12:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Soaking WBS in 50/50 coffee water tonight. Will load and PC tommorrow. Innoculate in a day or two. Several different strains.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: CultyVader]
    #2293450 - 02/02/04 08:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

a report just in.
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Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 01:01 pm:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just had to try the diluted coffee
water and do some testing myself
so I made up 12 pints WBS using the
DethHead's Wbs tek and used 2/3cup
WBS with 1/3cup 50% diluted coffee
and on 1/24/04 I shot each of them
up with 5cc multispore EQ syringe
and kept them in the incubator in the
dark and today 2/2/04 the 12 pints are
about 90% colonized in 10 day which is
about 10 to 14 day ahead of my straight
DethHead's WBS tek with distilled water.



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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2293475 - 02/02/04 08:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Hippie3 said:
it's not a 'waste' if one learns something.
rodger was, as you can easily see, very
interested in hemp as a substrate,
hence the pix you see.
and if one knows how to grow pot,
then it's cheap and plentiful.
no big deal.



it still had resin heads attached! he at least could have shook them off. waste hemp as a substrate maybe, but not good bud.
cheap and plentiful? who is honestly going to grow good weed at a high risk with the intention of growing mushrooms on it, when you can buy grains for next to nothing?

i like the other experiments but that is foolish he could have at least only used an oz


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: blackout]
    #2293479 - 02/02/04 08:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i guess you've just never been in rodger's shoes.
the view's a bit different from over there.
hell i figure it was his weed, his experiment.
so who am i to judge ?
or you.
maybe it was a bit insane,
but sometimes
a little insanity
can be fun.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2293499 - 02/02/04 09:21 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Would putting coffee grounds in my compost like 25% coffee grounds then pasturize it will this have the same benifits or are the coffee grounds in my compost/substrate will be bad. Is only the coffee water good or will the grounds be benaficial allso. And since I would be pastureizing it, it would be using coffee cause the pasturization is like brewing a cup of joe but the grounds will remain in the compost/substrate. What do you think?


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
    #2293510 - 02/02/04 09:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

rodger seems to like using the grounds in his casings too.
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Coffee grinds rock, and the microorganisms seem to really encourage massive flushes. But, as hip said, they're too acidic. Double up on the lime if you use them, and what I do is sprinkle a bit of lime right on the surface as well. Yes, just cool them down and use. If you're going to do a casing, use the grinds from THAT mornings coffee. The hydrated lime is the best, as it's instantly acting, water soluable, and low in magnesium. Use about 10% as much as you'd use of limestone. A Tablespoon or two is usually enough for a breadpan sized casing. Then, just use a salt shaker to sprinkle a small amount on the surface. That's just to make it harder for the contam spores that land later to germinate. The mushies will push right up through it.



from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/2/27935.html?1055903218

more from rodger on how he's preps his-
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light from the beginning, and no rinse after hydration. First, you have to separate the chaff from the grain. Do that before you hydrate. Fill your pot with the grain, then wash it very well under the faucet. Fill up the pot with water, swirl it around to stir up the loose 'dust' then drain out. Do this five or six times until the water drains clear.After rinsing, and before boiling, is when you soak in the diluted coffee. Then boil for five minutes, or longer if the grain isn't hydrated yet. You'll tell if it's ready by the size of the kernals. They should be double the original size. After boiling, pour into collanders to drain/evaporate all excess moisture. Swirl them around in the collander to allow moisture to 'steam off' the surface of the grain. After 20 minutes or so of draining/drying, load into jars, then PC. For rye grain after a soak/boil, I use 2 hours, twenty-two minutes at 15PSI.




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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2294925 - 02/02/04 07:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Two hours twenty two minutes? I cooked some WBS for 75 and it looked burnt... Used the same process to hydrate - let soak 12 hours then low boil till some start to burst.

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