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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: utopianglory]
    #2289220 - 01/31/04 08:58 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

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utopianglory said:

Though if they pin so much invitro so fast, I hope its not too fast.




keeping them in the dark might help delay pinning if that's a concern.
tea is , as you say, weaker than coffee.
BUT since rodger is using diluted coffee [50% normal strength] then pure tea may well work,
worth a few tests to find out, imho.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289225 - 01/31/04 09:02 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

?

Controls are absolutely necessary to gauge all things in relative terms. This means the same syringe, the same grain etc If you want to prove this tek to have some extra quality about it I would assume that you would want controls on every growers test.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: utopianglory]
    #2289233 - 01/31/04 09:11 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

Caffeine Content Chart

Most useful information:

Coffee, brewed 8 ounces 135

Coffee, instant 8 ounces 95

Tea, leaf or bag 8 ounces 50


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: utopianglory]
    #2289236 - 01/31/04 09:14 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

Another thing is, that I have never found tea to be anywhere near as strong as coffee, even if I drank 10 cups (which I have today, atleast) compared to one cup of strong coffee. Caffeine wise this is.

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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: utopianglory]
    #2289326 - 01/31/04 11:14 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

yeah, it'd be great if everybody used isolated strains too but we must work with what's available, hobby growers are not scientists, really, but if enough people do enough experiments then i think we'll be able to draw valid conclusions eventually.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: utopianglory]
    #2289333 - 01/31/04 11:18 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

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utopianglory said:
Caffeine Content Chart

Most useful information:

Coffee, brewed 8 ounces 135

Coffee, instant 8 ounces 95

Tea, leaf or bag 8 ounces 50





given those figures,
and assuming that
caffeine IS the key factor,
and considering rodger used dilute coffee [50%]
then perhaps one would want to
use full strength tea [undiluted]
that would give rough equivalency in caffeine.
of course there are many other complex chemicals
present in both tea and coffee,
so effects may vary considerably.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289424 - 01/31/04 12:30 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

I think the most pressing experiment is using pure caffine, not coffee. As you said earlier, there are too many chemicals other than caffine in coffee to draw valid conclusions.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
    #2289449 - 01/31/04 01:14 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

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I think the most pressing experiment is using pure caffine, not coffee. As you said earlier, there are too many chemicals other than caffine in coffee to draw valid conclusions.



and yet,
it is with coffee
that we have the most conclusive evidence to date,
we're not even sure if it is indeed the caffeine
and not one of the other chemicals to which you alluded .


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289459 - 01/31/04 01:25 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

My buddy figures that it would give him, a good idea if coffee works at all and if more is better. He doesnt have a digital camera or internet acsess so he said he would mail me pics and a log when hes done. This should give him an good idea for the next experiment too.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289559 - 01/31/04 02:24 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

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amyloid said:
any experiments with controls being done? id like to see a comparison, it really puts things into perspective.




yeah but who wants to look a shots of perfectly normal rye quarts ?
lots more info will be coming in over the next several weeks.
until then i just want to remind everyone that this is still very experimental, not a proved TEK yet
so only risk what you can afford to lose.




I agree with amyloid.. While those images are quite impressive, controls give you a solid indication of just how much difference the variation makes. 6 Controls and 6 Experimental jars definatly give stronger results than just the experimental jars alone.

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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
    #2289585 - 01/31/04 02:37 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

yes, that's a good point.
rodger didn't bother posting pix of normal jars of rye at 26 days.
but most of us know what a 26 day old jar of colonized rye looks like from prior experience.
if not, there are plenty of pix of such both here and at mycotopia.
it's pretty obvious to the experienced eye that rodger's jars are quite unusual,
that's a truly massive pinset for uncased invitro rye.
esp. at only 26 days.
have you ever seen anything like it ?
don't think i have either.
sure,
there are, admittedly, imperfections in our methodology.
we aren't really scientists,
we just play ones on the internet.
but fear not,
several experiments with controls
are ongoing,
so soon you'll have it your way.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289625 - 01/31/04 02:52 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

just to re-fresh your memories
or for those who might have missed it,
this is some of rodger's previous work.

from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/81178.html?1072053069

i think the man pretty much knows what he's doing.
else i wouldn't be going up front with his results.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289681 - 01/31/04 03:17 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

some more of rodger's
'credentials', if you will.
first,
the hemp burrito

from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/30782.html?1061830440
next, a ball of hemp twine.

from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/67534.html?1071977141
so i hope you can see why
i'm taking his coffee results
seriously.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2289696 - 01/31/04 03:22 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

one last 'proof'
of rodger's expertise.
Here's a quarter pound of white widow beginning to fruit.

from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/58585.html?1069207203


and did i mention that rodger's the guy who started the Straw logs that have become so popular ?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ev=#Post1534271
now, i know none of these last pix of rodger's prove anything
regarding coffee or caffeine.
but they do bolster rodger's credibility
in my mind.
that's my point in posting them.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
    #2290006 - 01/31/04 06:25 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

That sounds like a good experiment Rohypnol! I think having WBS hydrated with coffee would be a bettter comparison. Coffee beans having a diffrent structure and everything might alone effect growth.

Also having a brewed grinds vs new hydrated grinds would be a good test. I bet allot of the nutes go into the coffee when it's brewed. Have at least 2 of each for a more controled experiment.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2290580 - 01/31/04 10:19 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

What a waste of a QP of WW! It better have been seded or something. I dont like that experiment :frown:


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2290678 - 01/31/04 11:21 PM (17 years, 29 days ago)

I wouldn't call anyone who wastes a qp of dank bud an expert on aything...unless he's an expert on how to waste pot.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
    #2290886 - 02/01/04 01:34 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

I think its both hilarious and very interesting/innovative. You should carefully consider the relation between his shroom-growing expertise and his ability to spend half a QP on something like this before calling it a waste.


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
    #2290947 - 02/01/04 02:43 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

^^^ahh good call mate! I wonder what the shrooms tasted like? Still I don't see qp's of expensive MJ replacing WBS anytime soon!


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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: simplemachine]
    #2290991 - 02/01/04 03:18 AM (17 years, 29 days ago)

Any news on whether or not crushed up caffeine pills mixed in water would work?


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