|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838432 - 01/29/16 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
well, i'd say Monarchy is great because it provides a power center, that is just a solo family heir, and boom, all of sudden, minimal power over the people; unless civil strife is persuaded.
but the most effective literally is dictatorship -- just see Libya and Iraq.
immensely destabilized after deposition (violent removal) of it's leader's, as they were the single devotee's, in command, for the people to rely on. without them, it's chaos, because they are solely in control, and no one else has the proper checks and controls and system, aside from them, while their in power. it's effective in controlling populations...terrible political strategy though -- unless people don't mind being walked over for a little security, that is.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma]
#22838458 - 01/29/16 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The UK has a monarchy. It has exactly zero power.
--------------------
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838460 - 01/29/16 01:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
which is good for it's people.
|
makaveli8x8
Stranger

Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 21,636
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22838463 - 01/29/16 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said:
Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
and so is freedom of speech, if they didn't have guns, they wouldn't be speaking right now. and if they didn't have guns u wouldn't care and neither would anyone else because its alot less likely to hit the news and the gov would have ran them over already
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a bunch of selfish people who don't like the laws that a constitutional government has passed. These people don't represent Liberty. They represent anarchy.
but BLM does? They are practicing their right to protest, and their right to arms. explain how this group isn't doing these things, but BLM was???????
save for a few idiots running into the police to suicide, these guys are much less harmful that BLM has been. BLM and followers(or pretend followers) destroyed lots of buisness's, looted lots of stores, got lots of people hurt or killed during riots.
you havn't countered these arguements once, u just keep saying their the rancher hillbillys are wrong and label them. You can't define how they are worse than BLM, because they arn't. Your labels mean nothing when i can use the same ones on BLM and they were far far worse. You're afraid of guns, thats what this is about, your afraid of the 'potential' of what could happen. BLM and company, actually did shit.
The only thing outragious might be their demands, but BLM has some outragious ones as well. Stealing land is = to stealing oscars, stealing is stealing. Thats just 1 example that is only a few weeks or a month old, plenty more of that out their.
Define your opinion, back up your labels, if u are going to say these people are so bad, then you are going to have to explain how they are worse than BLM.
--------------------
  We were sent to hell for eternity Ø h® We play on earth to pass the time Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
|
Shins
Fun guy



Registered: 09/15/04
Posts: 16,337
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838464 - 01/29/16 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Bullshit. The crown has vast power
They pretend to be harmless and irrelevant on purpose for public relations so they stay out of the limelight.
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: Shins]
#22838474 - 01/29/16 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
point is: the Queen is the head -- not many but one -- and it all falls on her shoulder's squarely, what happens in her country. no blame game.
everything else in the country runs about the same as anywhere else, however, with institutions that handle and solve problems of the state.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22838511 - 01/29/16 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
You are out of your fucking mind. They are figureheads. Useless fluff.
--------------------
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22838516 - 01/29/16 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
Quote:
koods said:
Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
and so is freedom of speech, if they didn't have guns, they wouldn't be speaking right now. and if they didn't have guns u wouldn't care and neither would anyone else because its alot less likely to hit the news and the gov would have ran them over already
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a bunch of selfish people who don't like the laws that a constitutional government has passed. These people don't represent Liberty. They represent anarchy.
but BLM does? They are practicing their right to protest, and their right to arms. explain how this group isn't doing these things, but BLM was???????
save for a few idiots running into the police to suicide, these guys are much less harmful that BLM has been. BLM and followers(or pretend followers) destroyed lots of buisness's, looted lots of stores, got lots of people hurt or killed during riots.
you havn't countered these arguements once, u just keep saying their the rancher hillbillys are wrong and label them. You can't define how they are worse than BLM, because they arn't. Your labels mean nothing when i can use the same ones on BLM and they were far far worse. You're afraid of guns, thats what this is about, your afraid of the 'potential' of what could happen. BLM and company, actually did shit.
The only thing outragious might be their demands, but BLM has some outragious ones as well. Stealing land is = to stealing oscars, stealing is stealing. Thats just 1 example that is only a few weeks or a month old, plenty more of that out their.
Define your opinion, back up your labels, if u are going to say these people are so bad, then you are going to have to explain how they are worse than BLM.
BLM and these nutjobs are all assholes.
--------------------
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 4 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838530 - 01/29/16 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: You are out of your fucking mind. They are figureheads. Useless fluff.
|
California
A E S T H E T I C S A T A N


Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 72,118
Loc: H A U N T E D H O U S E
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods] 2
#22838670 - 01/29/16 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a bunch of selfish people who don't like the laws that a constitutional government has passed. These people don't represent Liberty. They represent anarchy.
They represent stupidity.
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,127
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 4 minutes, 9 seconds
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: California]
#22838701 - 01/29/16 02:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
They're acting like ten year olds playing fort
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
California
A E S T H E T I C S A T A N


Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 72,118
Loc: H A U N T E D H O U S E
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22838780 - 01/29/16 02:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I hope they keep doing so and get more of themselves shot and killed. They are all a bunch of bored cowboy morons who think that just because they live in the middle of nowhere they don't have to answer or be subjected to Big Brother. They should certainly continue making videos before they do so though. That one dude in the beginning of the camera removal video, and again at the end with the black beanie and spouting IP numbers looks like he is about to give himself a heart attack over a couple of cameras in the desert. I've dubbed him 'Captain Asshole'.
I'm from Western Oregon, I've never cared for those Eastern Oregon desert cowboy fucks, for many obvious reasons.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: California]
#22838795 - 01/29/16 02:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The federal government needs to divest itself of those lands. Sell them to private entities. It is fucking ridiculous the amount of land it owns out there. Like 80% of Nevada. Why?
--------------------
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods] 1
#22838827 - 01/29/16 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: theyre not even protesting a broken part of the government, they want to use protected land for their own personal benefit. Again fuck them. That land belongs to everyone. There are rules for its use because if there aren't, people like these asshole will fuck it up.
Seems like you don't know what you are talking about and are just listening to the media bullshit. I'm not defending these guys for what they did, but I don't blame them either based on the extensive history of this completely fucked up situation which SHOULD have been resolved 10+ years ago. I'd be fucking pissed too if I was in their shoes. They are "terrorists" for starting a backfire to protect thousands of acres of land? A common practice for ranchers. Which hit ONE acre of Federal land, which they put out... which INCREASED the value of the land. Which they served their time for. Which the Federal government came back 5+ years later refusing the judge's decision saying that's not good enough and charged them as terrorists. Terrorists.. for starting a backfire to protect land from a ravaging wildfire. Terrorists.
Quote:
Shroomism said: Anyway. Here's an in-depth, assessment of the Oregon issue from a non-biased 3rd party, starting from the beginning. You won't watch it. But it would help to educate.
--------------------
|
theonlysun81
Long Time Lurker, Recent Member



Registered: 05/11/12
Posts: 1,712
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22838840 - 01/29/16 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
Quote:
koods said:
Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
and so is freedom of speech, if they didn't have guns, they wouldn't be speaking right now. and if they didn't have guns u wouldn't care and neither would anyone else because its alot less likely to hit the news and the gov would have ran them over already
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a bunch of selfish people who don't like the laws that a constitutional government has passed. These people don't represent Liberty. They represent anarchy.
but BLM does? They are practicing their right to protest, and their right to arms. explain how this group isn't doing these things, but BLM was???????
save for a few idiots running into the police to suicide, these guys are much less harmful that BLM has been. BLM and followers(or pretend followers) destroyed lots of buisness's, looted lots of stores, got lots of people hurt or killed during riots.
you havn't countered these arguements once, u just keep saying their the rancher hillbillys are wrong and label them. You can't define how they are worse than BLM, because they arn't. Your labels mean nothing when i can use the same ones on BLM and they were far far worse. You're afraid of guns, thats what this is about, your afraid of the 'potential' of what could happen. BLM and company, actually did shit.
The only thing outragious might be their demands, but BLM has some outragious ones as well. Stealing land is = to stealing oscars, stealing is stealing. Thats just 1 example that is only a few weeks or a month old, plenty more of that out their.
Define your opinion, back up your labels, if u are going to say these people are so bad, then you are going to have to explain how they are worse than BLM.
they are worse than the BLM cause they follow shitty ranching practices and the land they put their cattle on barely provides any forage so they just trespass where other people are putting out their cattle (under the rules set out by the BLM). The forementioned cattle than get their diseased genetics into the aformentioned cattle and than the reproductive rate goes down fucking over other ranchers. These ranchers essentially just want to put cattle out, not do any work and get them when slaughter time is upon them
--------------------
|
theonlysun81
Long Time Lurker, Recent Member



Registered: 05/11/12
Posts: 1,712
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838854 - 01/29/16 03:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: The federal government needs to divest itself of those lands. Sell them to private entities. It is fucking ridiculous the amount of land it owns out there. Like 80% of Nevada. Why?
Because if private entities had the land than they would charge 30$ and AUM rather than the 1.30$ that the BLM charges. Also a lot of Nevada is the Nellis Test Site. The government owns a lot of that land cause it fucked it up during atomic testing and it maintains the liability. Also they maintain control over the rest of nevada a buffer around the Test Site. Idk, but nevada kinda is fucked. Its going into a Mohave transition (due to overgrazing and atomic testing. in the one valley near silver peak you can blame rockwood lithium). But yea, if you but that into private entities they will squeeze every last penny out of it and that will fuck the land up waayy more. Potentially causing another dust bowl.
|
California
A E S T H E T I C S A T A N


Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 72,118
Loc: H A U N T E D H O U S E
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838856 - 01/29/16 03:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: The federal government needs to divest itself of those lands. Sell them to private entities. It is fucking ridiculous the amount of land it owns out there. Like 80% of Nevada. Why?
Why does the government need to sell the land to private entities?
|
theonlysun81
Long Time Lurker, Recent Member



Registered: 05/11/12
Posts: 1,712
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22838862 - 01/29/16 03:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: The federal government needs to divest itself of those lands. Sell them to private entities. It is fucking ridiculous the amount of land it owns out there. Like 80% of Nevada. Why?
but the original "why" does the government own all that land is cause it bought out all the railroads that went under. Nevada is like a travel through state.
--------------------
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,127
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 4 minutes, 9 seconds
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: Shroomism] 1
#22838887 - 01/29/16 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The west doesn't have enough water resources for more private land ownership. Too much land in Nevada is already exploited. these people abuse the land, over grazing. Over mining. The expansion of America is over. We need to maintain. What we have. The only way to Maintain our future land resources is to keep it out of private hands.
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
theonlysun81
Long Time Lurker, Recent Member



Registered: 05/11/12
Posts: 1,712
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods] 1
#22838903 - 01/29/16 03:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: The west doesn't have enough water resources for more private land ownership. Too much land in Nevada is already exploited. these people abuse the land, over grazing. Over mining. The expansion of America is over. We need to maintain. What we have. The only way to Maintain our future land resources is to keep it out of private hands.
true this. Honestly Phoenix should be dismantled.
--------------------
|
|