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akira_akuma
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no one thinks the government owns the land, but they sure do make the laws.
if it goes to China, it's not yours anyway, so why do you care? because you think it's your's, or because it's not as productive to pay China?
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passifloracaerulea said: No the forest service never changed the obsidian mines back to normal claim status. They were locatable until the mid 1990's. They sell us the rock we dig. When you stake a claim you are the owner of the mineral rights. It's laughable you guys think the government owns the land. You do and they were just supposed to steward it. A small miner can own up to 9 claims and only has to pay the assessment fees every year to maintain the claim. This doesn't mean you can just go in with heavy machinery. That involves acquiring a permit for a plan of operations. It's costly and time consuming. I'm glad the tribes are involved now. These were their traditional quarries and we're lucky to be allowed to dig there at all. At least I know the tribes aren't corrupt and won't facilitate a deal for it to all go to china.
Ok you're right, there is no law about who maintains mineral rights, actually its up to the states how mineral rights are distributed. The federal government maintains mineral rights because they aquired the land and became the owners of lands no one wanted. they sold some of those lands back to certain parties, but because of the way state laws are written you can sell thet surface and maintain mineral rights to what is under neath. So once again, another example of how state governments aren't going to solve your problems.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma]
#23073228 - 04/01/16 09:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why do I care? Because the faster it goes to china, the sooner we won't be able to dig it at all. If it was under claim and the claim owner wanted to sell to china, that would be one thing, but for the forest service to facilitate the easy sales to china behind the tribe's back for the unfair benefit of a few locals is criminal.
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passifloracaerulea said: Why do I care? Because the faster it goes to china, the sooner we won't be able to dig it at all. If it was under claim and the claim owner wanted to sell to china, that would be one thing, but for the forest service to facilitate the easy sales to china behind the tribe's back for the unfair benefit of a few locals is criminal.
you still haven't shown anywhere that says public lands are being used for collateral for loans to China. The fact you think we would ever give up our lands is absurd. There is nothing anywhere stating that as fact. That is something that is just stupid from a strategy perspective. And completely unnecessary as our economy is still larger than China's. It is so much more profitable to just maintain control of the land than to give it a foreign entity, not to mention all the legal/constitutional/societal backlash that would go with that. But yea, I mean if you want to believe it, that's all well and good. Just don't start taking up arms against a ghost in your head. Don't become the tyranny you stand against. That is what the militia is doing.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81]
#23073525 - 04/01/16 11:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go back one page and read the links I posted earlier.
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passifloracaerulea said: Wake up! http://www.gnosticmedia.com/manufacturing-the-deadhead-a-product-of-social-engineering-by-joe-atwill-and-jan-irvin/
for the love of all thing holey
never use the terms wake up or sheeple and fucking read real shit and not nutter bullshit
now for some holey stuff
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akira_akuma
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23073685 - 04/02/16 01:03 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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now that i'd kill my countrymen for.
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theonlysun81
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passifloracaerulea said: Go back one page and read the links I posted earlier.
dude, i did and all I saw were weird, non-credible, non-news, pro-scare, sites that don't talk about anything that has any real evidence. I want a primary source for this bra, and until you link me to a primary source I am going to believe the snopes article that was buried in that link you sent me.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81]
#23074448 - 04/02/16 08:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah the mainstream media is gonna tell you the truth .
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akira_akuma
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and alt media would never.
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passifloracaerulea said: Yeah the mainstream media is gonna tell you the truth .
and yu somehow believe that 'alternative' news is going to tell you the truth
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akira_akuma
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23074601 - 04/02/16 09:22 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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theonlysun81
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passifloracaerulea said: Yeah the mainstream media is gonna tell you the truth .
I'm not asking for a mainstream media source. I"m asking for you to show me a primary source. I'm asking for what bill or treaty or trade agreement article says that.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma]
#23074613 - 04/02/16 09:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-muslim-threat-idUSKBN0O41Y820150519
right-wing terrorism is so cool. not like other terrorism.
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From the article: An ex-Congressional candidate from Tennessee faces up to five years in prison for plotting to burn down an upstate New York mosque and use an assault rifle against anyone who tried to stop him, according to court documents.
Up to 5 years for conspiring to murder and commit an act of terrorism (arson of mosque).
I hope there's more to this picture...
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma]
#23074617 - 04/02/16 09:29 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-muslim-threat-idUSKBN0O41Y820150519
right-wing terrorism is so cool. not like other terrorism.
as has already been demonstrated on this forum, left wing and latino (the other left wing) are the two largest groups of terrorists committing terrorists acts in the US, the right wing terrorists are such a small number that they dont even register on the FBIs statistics
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23074786 - 04/02/16 10:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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and i presume by "left-wing", you mean animal rights and environmental terrorism?
that's probably the sum of all "left-wing" terrorism...none of which has anything to do with "left-wing" political ideology other than it's "liberal" ideology, which is that "we have to protect the animals/environment" which is not on the same ideological grounds as "i wanna kill that nigger president" or some of the many other instances (IE; LINK) where there is actually threats to individuals based on opposition; rather than some wingnuts trying to destabilize and perhaps go to extreme lengths to prevent "cruelty to animals", where they actually don't threaten individuals for their race or creed or political ideology, but for the "sake of animals and ecology and the environment".
yes, stupid and twisted. not the same thing though. they mostly destabilize, they do not aim, as the ring-wingers do, to kill individuals due to WHAT genes or culture they belong to, they aim to stop individuals from harming the environment or animals. i'm sure you do not see the difference, but i just want to be clear...the extremes of assassination in both "left-wing" extremist actions (environmentalists and animal rights activists, to be precise; not ALL left-wing ideology is included in this criteria) or right-wing extremist actions are about the same -- whilst there is more rampant "terrorism" (eco-terrorism) on the left (again, the environmentalist/animals rights side of the left, not the political/social side), there is an equal proportion of attempts against people's lives, in both coalitions; although there is only one who is targeting people due to their race, color, creed, religion, political views, ect all together...
and that's right-wing terrorist morons who think they are patriots. simple as that.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: MadMuncher] 1
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PS: "Dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government"
Hamilton, Alexander -- The Federalist Papers
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akira_akuma
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: akira_akuma]
#23076142 - 04/02/16 04:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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ya'll gotta see this: Idaho GOP Governor debate primary
"thank you curmudgeon"
thing is: even Bible-thumping looney curmudgeon is a better head on his shoulders than some one running for office...Trump, the person is Trump, Trump is the guy i'm referring to.
Edited by akira_akuma (04/02/16 04:58 PM)
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