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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81] 1
#22839633 - 01/29/16 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Private land owners demanding that they get more water at the expense of the general environment. This is exactly why more private land owners are a bad idea.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839638 - 01/29/16 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article18013727.html
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On the total water use numbers themselves, there is broad agreement. According to the Public Policy Institute of California, about 9 million acres of farmland in the state are irrigated, representing about 80 percent of all water used by people.
But that figure excludes roughly 50 percent of all water in California dedicated for environmental purposes, and farmers complain some water in the ecologically sensitive Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is off-limits to them.
Nice try. The farmers get 80% 0f half. That works out to 40% in my math book.
This is why we don't want people like yourself who worship the free market to dictate water usage. You are perfectly willing to fuck over the environment.
I am the environment as much as anything else and I do not appreciate you presenting misleading statistics. I have no desire to bankrupt my food supply in order to safeguard what is essentially the new spotted owl stupidity. California is in a deep drought and they are letting half of the water go into the ocean. People are losing their livelihoods and you're worried about some stupid snail darter type routine? Fuck that.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81]
#22839653 - 01/29/16 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article18013727.html
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On the total water use numbers themselves, there is broad agreement. According to the Public Policy Institute of California, about 9 million acres of farmland in the state are irrigated, representing about 80 percent of all water used by people.
But that figure excludes roughly 50 percent of all water in California dedicated for environmental purposes, and farmers complain some water in the ecologically sensitive Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is off-limits to them.
Nice try. The farmers get 80% 0f half. That works out to 40% in my math book.
So since by using that water to maintain environmentally important areas close to farming areas farmers benefit from those environmental centers, such as runoff and erosion control, maintaining a shallow water table, pollution control, etc. So that 50% can also be given to the farmers. Since it benefits them more than residential people.
How does any of that follow? What erosion control? How do you maintain a shallow water table by allowing half the water to flow free to the ocean? The water table is in fact getting deeper.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-17/california-plagued-by-dry-wells-as-drought-makes-water-elusive
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Near California’s Success Lake, more than 1,000 water wells have failed. Farmers are spending $750,000 to drill 1,800 feet down to keep fields from going fallow. Makeshift showers have sprouted near the church parking lot.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22839661 - 01/29/16 06:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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koods said:
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zappaisgod said: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article18013727.html
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On the total water use numbers themselves, there is broad agreement. According to the Public Policy Institute of California, about 9 million acres of farmland in the state are irrigated, representing about 80 percent of all water used by people.
But that figure excludes roughly 50 percent of all water in California dedicated for environmental purposes, and farmers complain some water in the ecologically sensitive Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is off-limits to them.
Nice try. The farmers get 80% 0f half. That works out to 40% in my math book.
This is why we don't want people like yourself who worship the free market to dictate water usage. You are perfectly willing to fuck over the environment.
I am the environment as much as anything else and I do not appreciate you presenting misleading statistics. I have no desire to bankrupt my food supply in order to safeguard what is essentially the new spotted owl stupidity. California is in a deep drought and they are letting half of the water go into the ocean. People are losing their livelihoods and you're worried about some stupid snail darter type routine? Fuck that.
Dude, no one is talking about a snail darter, this is beyond stopping extinction. This is about water, you fool. With more wild, wooded land that isn't compacted by cattle, runoff rates drop keeping more water on site. In CA this translates into less pavement, more forests. But honestly the jet stream is shifted so we may already be too late to save LA. But you definitely are a natural thing. I'll give you that. That's the one thing I don't like about this whole attitude is that people are somehow seperate from nature and unnatural. that is false. everything is natural, just some leads to greater ends than others.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod] 3
#22839663 - 01/29/16 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Selfish short term benefit at the expense of natural resources and environment. A recipe for distaster.
Half the water flowing into the ocean. That's called a river. You are literally complaining that we are not draining rivers until they run dry.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22839669 - 01/29/16 06:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article18013727.html
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On the total water use numbers themselves, there is broad agreement. According to the Public Policy Institute of California, about 9 million acres of farmland in the state are irrigated, representing about 80 percent of all water used by people.
But that figure excludes roughly 50 percent of all water in California dedicated for environmental purposes, and farmers complain some water in the ecologically sensitive Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is off-limits to them.
Nice try. The farmers get 80% 0f half. That works out to 40% in my math book.
So since by using that water to maintain environmentally important areas close to farming areas farmers benefit from those environmental centers, such as runoff and erosion control, maintaining a shallow water table, pollution control, etc. So that 50% can also be given to the farmers. Since it benefits them more than residential people.
How does any of that follow? What erosion control? How do you maintain a shallow water table by allowing half the water to flow free to the ocean? The water table is in fact getting deeper.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-17/california-plagued-by-dry-wells-as-drought-makes-water-elusive
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Near California’s Success Lake, more than 1,000 water wells have failed. Farmers are spending $750,000 to drill 1,800 feet down to keep fields from going fallow. Makeshift showers have sprouted near the church parking lot.
Yea dude exactly, 50% of the water only being used to maintain nature isn't enough, it should be more. The almond industry shouldn't be centralized in california (i dont even know anyone who likes almonds. only people who tolerate them.) There shouldn't be a huge population centers there. But also it has been a drought for the past 5 years and consumption patterns haven't really changed until last year, cause of attitudes like yours.
also if you do any research you will realize that not having bare ground reduces erosion up to 90%. trees slow rainfall velocity and intensity and trap surface water flow as it flows off site. Also increasing infiltration rates into the ground. Fuck man, do some science and get off the political mindset. Its fucking counter productive
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839681 - 01/29/16 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the water goes to the ocean anyway. It just varies how it gets there.
From what I have read almonds are a big sucker of water resources. Put a market price on water and we'll see how many almond groves there are.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22839692 - 01/29/16 06:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No water that falls in nevada makes its way to the ocean, did you know that?
But yea, I mean put a market price on water, we'll see how many people die either violently or for lack of water. I mean, I'm with you on that one. Let's see who's smart enough to survive.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22839706 - 01/29/16 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839715 - 01/29/16 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
that's the dream anyway
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839718 - 01/29/16 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Bottling? Wtf are you talking about 80% of western water resources go to agriculture and maintaining the land. That's the problem. It's not sustainable.
We know what happens when we let private owners do what they want with their land... The dust bowl was a human made disaster that occurred because people abused the land.
little known fact, when u water plants it doesn't just "disappear" some the plants soak up, some the soil soaks up, some hits the water table, some evaporates which helps other plants. When you bottle it and ship it to china, it basically does disappear.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22839719 - 01/29/16 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: All the water goes to the ocean anyway. It just varies how it gets there.
From what I have read almonds are a big sucker of water resources. Put a market price on water and we'll see how many almond groves there are.
or what if we made the currency water?
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: makaveli8x8] 3
#22839721 - 01/29/16 06:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Bottling? Wtf are you talking about 80% of western water resources go to agriculture and maintaining the land. That's the problem. It's not sustainable.
We know what happens when we let private owners do what they want with their land... The dust bowl was a human made disaster that occurred because people abused the land.
little known fact, when u water plants it doesn't just "disappear". When you bottle it and ship it to china, it basically does.
more well known fact. everything you've said in this thread is dumb
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839727 - 01/29/16 06:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
All water eventually finds its way back to the ocean. Rich people? What the fuck are you babbling about. If coca cola sells at market rate does that mean only rich people can have coca cola?
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81]
#22839734 - 01/29/16 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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im glad you quoted such a dumb statement of mine then and refuted it with facts and smart statements of your own???
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: theonlysun81] 1
#22839736 - 01/29/16 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's just insane. One large farm in California uses more water than could be bottled in a year.

the Colorado doesn't make it to the ocean anymore either.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22839742 - 01/29/16 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
All water eventually finds its way back to the ocean. Rich people? What the fuck are you babbling about. If coca cola sells at market rate does that mean only rich people can have coca cola?
The market rate of water will be much much much much much much much much higher than coca cola. Which in turn would raise the price of coca cola. And Coca cola produces not in the united states cause in other places water is less regulated so its easier to exploit.
You know how hard it is to get water rights? You know how much more your property is if you have water rights on it? like tack another couple million onto that ranch.
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22839746 - 01/29/16 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
All water eventually finds its way back to the ocean. Rich people? What the fuck are you babbling about. If coca cola sells at market rate does that mean only rich people can have coca cola?
You're really Comparing Coke to a natural resource?
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: koods]
#22839752 - 01/29/16 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said:
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zappaisgod said:
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koods said: Yeah so rich people buy what they want and the rest get nothing. Jesus Christ Zappa.
All water eventually finds its way back to the ocean. Rich people? What the fuck are you babbling about. If coca cola sells at market rate does that mean only rich people can have coca cola?
You're really Comparing Coke to a natural resource?
yes he is, the only functionality zappa sees is trading. Obviously his wife runs the household
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Re: Let the blood and arrests start to flow in Oregon [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22839757 - 01/29/16 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: im glad you quoted such a dumb statement of mine then and refuted it with facts and smart statements of your own???
nothing to refute, you were right, but that doesn't make you any less dumb
anyone can hop into an argument and state that 2 + 2 = 4
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