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psychoanomaly
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Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? *DELETED*
#22786396 - 01/16/16 01:37 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: psychoanomaly]
#22786449 - 01/16/16 01:49 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Nah just dunk after the first flush to rehydrate the sub. You may need to fan a little, buy IME it doesn't make much a difference either way. After you've dunked it and returned it to the tub just continue normally.
As far as preventing contams, that's kinda luck of the draw. I've had subs make it to the 4th flush before contams started to show, and other that contam right after I harvested the first. You might hear something different from others here, since I've just been doing it the same for the last couple years now so wait for other opinions/advice.
Anyway, the reason we add stuff like gypsum to the substrate is to basify and balance the substrate in order to, in turn, make it harder for bacteria to and mold to grow since they thrive in acidic environments; however, this is never guaranteed to increase the amount of flushes you get. That's about all I can tell you about how we can get past a first flush. Again, wait for other members to chime in on any tips they have for you.
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psychoanomaly
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? *DELETED* [Re: George Sears]
#22786669 - 01/16/16 02:47 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: psychoanomaly]
#22786689 - 01/16/16 02:50 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Just wash your hands, nothing sterile about a fruiting tub
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: grownright]
#22786705 - 01/16/16 02:54 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Just chop those fuckers with a pair of scissors or exacto knife. If you're into role playing you can even throw on a big plaid shirt and a fake beard and pretend you're Paul Bunyan. 
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psychoanomaly
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? *DELETED* [Re: George Sears]
#22786892 - 01/16/16 03:45 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: psychoanomaly]
#22786906 - 01/16/16 03:49 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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you heard wrong
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: George Sears]
#22786907 - 01/16/16 03:49 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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I have not had good experiences dunking full monos. They break apart very easily and can over-saturate. Straw colonizes strong enough to hold up to it I'd guess, but I would skip it for coir. You can get strong enough second flushes without. Mist the hard for a few days (fanning is a waste of time) the surface to help keep it moist since the surface is largely responsible for providing the surface humidity for fruiting. Pour a quart of water into the liner when you see the pinset start to come in and it should suck it up.
If you are using like 1:1-1:1.5 sub, it should be strong and also will lack some water for later flushes, so dunking may work better.
I dunk trays and small thin minitub subs, but not full substrates.
If they release cleanly twist and pull. If they're ripping out gobs of substrate with them and rooted deep, cut. The stipes don't exactly rot, but they aren't great to have around either. Clean twist n pull>stipes on the block>sever substrate surface damage.
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: cronicr]
#22786934 - 01/16/16 03:58 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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cronicr said: you heard wrong

The leftover stumps will eventually recede back into the substrate and new fruits will form over them in the next flush. They're less likely to rot and encourage contamination compared to a big, fresh, open patch of mycelium that just got ripped apart.
For dunking tubs, I just fill the tub up to the holes with water and put another tub weighted on top in order to keep it from floating around. Not hard at all to do, and it mitigates the issues of having it break apart on you while trying to do so. Once you're done soaking it you can just tilt the tubs to one side or the other to drain it. I would recommend doing this in a bath tub since it's almost impossible not to spill everywhere when filling the tub.
As for when to harvest, the optimal time is once the veil tears, but people like to wait until spores drop and the caps open all the way up. I'm one of those that like it just when the veil begins to tear or just before, but that's entirely up to you as well.
Edited by George Sears (01/16/16 03:59 PM)
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: psychoanomaly]
#23196506 - 05/06/16 05:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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psychoanomaly said: I heard that cutting them is undesirable, as the leftover stem is prone to rot and encourage contamination.
Twist and pull?
My caps have fully widened, but spores haven't dropped yet.
I've been doing my own tubs and have been getting large first flushes. They're so large that most of my surface area is nothing but fruits. When I pick them I almost have no choice but to leave some stem or I may hurt surrounding pins or pull up a bunch of the substrate. If I leave stem I'll have mycellium turning blue and wasting energy into trying to repair itself. Should I just cut the entire top layer off and reapply casing material and flip the substrate and wait for the new flush to happen?
What would you guys do? I'm running into similar questions.
I've allowed those pins to grow which gives me big monsters but I'm not utilizing all of my surface area to potentially grow because I have the bottoms of many stems from the first flush preventing new pins from developing.
Has anyone just cut the top layer off and flip their substrates after applying a new surface?
Let me know.
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Re: Best procedure for initiating a monotub's second flush? Dunk or not to dunk? [Re: jcbowling1985]
#23196587 - 05/06/16 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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harvest using something sharp like a razor. After harvest dunk for about 30 minutes. If the substrate breaks, that is ok. Even with tubs I dunk. It ALWAYS helps.
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