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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Tantalus]
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coffee receptor what ???? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Tantalus]
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i agree completely  :smile: :tongue: :spliff: :lol: :kiss: :lipsrsealed: :devil: :pill: :print:

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: SoulJah2]
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A few comments.

I have been around the block with poorly conditioned kitchens where we would generally eat, dump plate and wait until kitchen smelled so bad we had to wash so I am somewhat up with which foods can get moldy.

Coffee and tea left out both get about the same amount of mold, I am talking about black of course. 

To the next point, I used to be under the misconception that black tea had more caffeine but that is extremely wrong.  If I remember percolation is probably around 150mg and black tea around 50mg.  This is no more typified than how high I can get off caffeine from strong coffee.  Yet I could drink a thousand cups of tea and feel nothing.

If you really must do it, you would obviously steralize the solution not long before dunking into it, thus having no initial contamination problems.  No matter what it is probably a bad idea though.  Sounds like a quirky idea that will never catch on but stranger things have happened.  I won't be making any supporting bets for it though :smile:

Edited by utopianglory (01/26/04 04:16 AM)

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Tantalus]
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SoulJah2
I guess the idea behind it is that caffeine stimulates pin formation. The tek calls for diluted coffee in your dunking water.

There was concerns with contams because if you leave a cup of coffee out for a few days it grows mold.





brew the coffee and sterilize it...it's no different than what you should do with the water and it should be done under lab conditions...I've fruited one cake 9 time...most were pathetic little things but it never contaminated regardless of the 4 dunkings

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tantalus
Responding to the initial post, coffee sitting out probably is much more likely to mold because of added cream and sugar, things most likely not added to tea.



nope...any brewed coffee will mold...there is nutrition in there that will support molds and fungi, sterilize it and you wont have that problem.

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I seriously doubt mushrooms have the receptor that makes caffeine active in the human nervous system. Maybe it could help in some other way though, but this seems unlikely



there's probably othing more than a little extra nutrition with coffee but their study is for pinning stimuli...I tried to run some cubensis on unbrewed coffee grounds....the mycelium colonized but never pinned...it's a little old but the bag still exists...I'm thinking of rehydrating it and casing with coffe that was brewed...

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Well What I did was brewed up a cup of tea then added some cold water so I didn't burn up my cakes. I did add peroxide to the mixture of course.

Now the next morning I still have usual growth. Pins getting larger. No signs of contams in any way.

The thing that gets me is having full fledged pins two days after dunking. It normally takes about a week for new pins to form. Am I right that two days is rather quick thus supporting hippies theory? Or have my cakes just been slower then normal in the past?


Prisoner, thanks for the info about the caffeine contents of each. Very cool.

Also, if this doesn't end up contaming on me, with coffee and tea having nutrients in it I'd imagine that dunking the cakes in this formula might help add some nutrition to the cakes correct?


Either way experimenting is fun. It would be much better if someone a little ore experienced tried this out that could really give some detail on how it goes. As I've said before, I'm still pretty much a novice.


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Prisoner#1]
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tantalus
Responding to the initial post, coffee sitting out probably is much more likely to mold because of added cream and sugar, things most likely not added to tea.



nope...any brewed coffee will mold...there is nutrition in there that will support molds and fungi, sterilize it and you wont have that problem.




You're not disagreeing with me here, of course black coffee will mold, I was just saying why someone would have the impression coffee would mold faster than tea. Black coffee and tea might mold at the same rate (I don't know if this is true), but I'm sure coffee with cream and sugar would mold faster. That's what I was saying.

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I seriously doubt mushrooms have the receptor that makes caffeine active in the human nervous system. Maybe it could help in some other way though, but this seems unlikely



there's probably othing more than a little extra nutrition with coffee but their study is for pinning stimuli...I tried to run some cubensis on unbrewed coffee grounds....the mycelium colonized but never pinned...it's a little old but the bag still exists...I'm thinking of rehydrating it and casing with coffe that was brewed...



Well we could test this, caffiene pill solution vs actual coffee.


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Tantalus]
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"Well we could test this, caffiene pill solution vs actual coffee. "

kinda mean to dose up your mushies isnt it  :grin:

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: SoulJah2]
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woah, just on a wim the other day, i threw some leftover coffee grinds from the morning in a plastic contatainer with some verm. seemed like a decent moisture level, so i nuked the shit out of it, let it cool and inocced with B+ liquid culture i had layin around. i assumed nothing would come out of it, i was just scrappin up the extras for an experiment.

so would coffee grinds in the substrate increase pinning also??

i am willing to sacrafice one of my jars in the name of science and see if a coffee dunk promotes pinning.

i wonder if any of the smarter people on the board have anything to say about this coffee dunk insanity...anno, joshua, magash....anyone got any ideas?

~JSlice~


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: angryjslice]
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I thought coffee grounds were too acidic to be used as a substrate, at least thats people here said the last time this came up...

Let us know your results J.


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: OldSpice]
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ive accidently fruited in jars i thought had died. im the inventor of the invirto tek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hippie is cool though.


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-Al Einstein

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: SoulJah2]
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bump for update


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: SoulJah2]
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I was thinking of adding coffe grounds to my compost when I pasturize it to see what happens I will most likely do this tomarow

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Hanky]
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hanky said:
more crazy stuff from mycotopia huh,now i know why i dont visit those boards anymore.



i'd prolly toss yer ass out PDQ anyway,
so don't bother.

anyway,
this single failure means very little,
everyone has contams on occasions and we don't really know all the details.
the fault is very likely the grower's.
but if any are interested in learning some real details
instead of just running off at the mouth,
check the original thread-
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...o=&fpart=1&vc=1

coffee-dunked rye invitro
the original idea was rodger rabbit's not mine,
and there's plenty of info to back it up,
so read the thread instead of listening to
folk who think they know .


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: amyloid]
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Quote:
amyloid said:
ive accidently fruited in jars i thought had died.  im the inventor of the invirto tek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hippie is cool though.



lol
hey, it got my name in PF's book,
on his website too.
so now i'm pulling in pretty good bucks every month
selling ad space on my website.
laughing all the way to the bank.
:cool:

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I. THE PF TEK : ADD ON TECHNIQUES : 02_HIPPIE PF INVITRO TEK > GO BACK TO INDEX

Hippie's NEGLECT TEK

From: hippie3
hippie3@my-deja.com
Subject: Shrooms the Easy Way: Hippie's Mycro-Tek
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001

Provided by Mycotopia.net


Hello, friends, long time, no see. I just wanted to share the results of my latest experiments. I have discovered that it is feasible to grow decent crops of high potency shrooms with no terrarium, no perlite, no misting, no ventilation, nadda. Now, this method is designed first and foremost for the hobby grower who is primarily interested in the product, rather than the growing process. It isn't pretty, but it does work great.

What is 'mycro-tek', you ask ? It is essentially the PF TEK cut in half. Cakes are made and inoculated as per standard PF TEK. Instead of incubating/colonizing in darkness, the jars are exposed to light thru the entire colonization process. This triggers invitro pinning, usually by the time the jar is fully colonized.

Here is where my 'mycro-tek' deviates from standard PF TEK. There is no 'birthday'. Instead of being birthed, and fruited in humidified terrariums, the cakes are left in the jars, exposed to light, and kept warm. The pins will continue to grow, conforming to the jar's shape. The fruit are allowed to grow until either the caps begin to open, or any signs of damage to the pins. The jar lid is removed, cake shaken out, pins/shrooms harvested, then the cakes are returned to the jars for additional flushes.

In my test run, i did 24 jars, 12 gulf coast and 12 b+ - lost 1 to contamination early on, which left 23. Colonization was complete and pinning occuring at 28 days. Harvested, first flush yielded 2.4 ounces, dry. I'm now on the 4th flush, down to 16 surviving cakes, and my current yield before 4th flush is 4.0 dry grams per cake. From the looks of it, 4th flush will put the average well past 4.5 grams dry, per cake. The fruit, being essentially overgrown primordia, are quite potent. They also are fairly dry-ish and fibrous compared to shrooms grown under more normal circumstances, due to being somewhat compressed by growing invitro. Note: the cakes shrunk after 1st flush, leaving much more room for fruit to grow. 2nd and 3rd flushes came fast but fruiting seemed stalled afterwards so the cakes were re-hydrated by filling their jars, with the cakes in them, with water for 24 hours, then draining. A strong 4th flush began immediately thereafter.

This one works well, people. For all those worried about stealth, secrecy and concealment, this is a dream come true. Almost 2 dry ounces from a cardboard box holding 12 jars.

peace
Hip


From: hippie3
hippie3@my-deja.com
Subject: 4th flush mycro pf tek results
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001

harvested 4th flush, now drying. will post weight asap. it's a big one though, i can tell from looking. i'm very very pleased with the results of both invitro fruiting and dunking rehydration. lost a few more, down to just 14 jars. cakes seemed plenty moist, so no dunk this time. waiting for a 5th flush now.

weighed 4th flush, now dry. 22.5 grams, that's as much as the 2nd and 3rd flushes, put together. brings the grand total to 115 dry grams from [originally] 24 jars, including all lost to contamination along the way. that's over a quarter pound dry from jars sitting on a shelf in a box!! that brings the overall average up to a little over 4.7 grams per cake. if one discounted the contam'd ones, the individual jars surviving have yielded nearly 6 grams each in a jar. pretty impressive come-back after dunking. and the 14 remaining cakes may yet flush again.


PF's comments

Finally, the truth about the PF TEK has been rediscovered. "Rediscovered" is defined as, that which has been in the essential PF TEK from the beginning (since 1991). The first thing to notice about Hippies rediscovery, is that he says, "It isn't pretty, but it does work great". The "isn't pretty" is an understatement. This concept is ironic in that PF has warned about the "problems" of invitro primordiation left to go unchecked or not attended to (timely cake birth). But Hippie, sees the "problem" as not a problem but rather an attractive feature of the PF TEK with many advantages, and he is correct.


THE HEARTBREAK of mega cultivation
When one is experienced in the different styles of shroom cultivation, a similarity of results is seen. A pile of dried and shriveled shrooms from a mega beautiful elaborately set up shroom cultivation, looks no different than a pile of dried and shriveled shrooms from a less than mega beautiful shroom cultivation. In other words, the beautiful full sized perfect looking specimens from a mega cultivation (trays - compost - ect), dry down and actually look no different than the little "ugly" convoluted shrooms from such a TEK as the Hippie neglect tek. The real difference is the emotional impact of "destroying" a shroom fruiting that one has worked on for a couple of months. When the shrooms begin to attain full size, there are two choices, either to pick them before they reach maturity (full size) for max quality, or to let them grow to maturity for spore printing. Whatever the case, the shrooms are doomed to be picked and then they aren't so pretty anymore, but become a pile of shriveled shrooms.

The real difference in this interpretation of the PF TEK and a mega cultivation (traditional teks) is that there is no "heartbreak" when harvesting the shrooms from a micro tek where the shrooms don't attain the magnificent stature of mega cultivation (traditional ways). When the shrooms appear inside the jar (Hippie neglect tek), it is easy to just take them and dry them. There is no "destroying" months of work or "ruining" a magnificent stand of shrooms before you get to even know them. There is only the harvesting of powerful psychedelic fungus, APPEARANCES BE DAMNED. That is really what the PF TEK is all about. It is less of a "growing" tek but more of a psychedelic "drug" acquisition tek in which the grower does not care what the "drugs" look like but rather that the "drugs" do their job, and that job is to deliver the magic trip. But then, if good looking specimens are desired, the PF TEK with a good casing procedure (PF double ended cake casing tek recommended) delivers the goods there also.

I am absolutely tickled pink by this. It is so ironic. It really shuts down all of the nay sayers, the cake mashers and the moron that keeps spamming - "50/50 rules"!

Here are some more really great things about the "new" HIPPIE MYCRO PF TEK.

1. Cultivation of magic shroom sclerotia is a fav tek for producing psilly fungi bio-mass by such artists as Jochen Gartz.

The HIPPIE MYCRO PF TEK has all the attributes of that -- plus. Sclerotia growing can be obsoleted by this.

2. "Those are worms growing in their larvae stage, OFFICER"!!

"Oh yeah"? "HEY joe, Fageddabout those nasty white worm growing jars - 'taint no evidence we can use".

3. I recently had the Equadors primordiate invitro and gave me two very nice specimens growing along the side of the jar with the caps just opened - very nice quality - just as HIPPIE predicted. . THen I proceeded to get several more flushes PF style. So add EQUADORS to the list of cool HIPPIE MYCRO TEK shroom races.

4. This reveals two types of people around here.

a. CULTIVATOR - MYCOSOPHERS
b. no brainer psychedelic fungi acquisitionairs

HIPPIES MYCRO TEK is now a full fledged part of the over all PF TEK. Congratulations, HIPPIE. You are the first to become part of the real PF TEK. Your tek is a keeper at the FANATICUS web site, and it will be in the new book coming out late this year - 2001 - with HIPPIES name on it!
 


 


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Hippie3]
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he who laughs last,
laughs best.
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Jared said:
Jared said:
Jared said:
I'm thinking of using straight coffee to moisten some vermiculite for use in a rez-effect casing.. I don't trust adding anything with nuts to the casing layer, and have no lime to buffer the ph, so I think this is a safe way to see how coffee affects my pinsets. I'm going to be doing two casings:

Control:
- Multispore GT
- 4 pints of substrate
- 1cm 50/50 casing
- 12"x10" cropping surface
- 25% addition of hydrated verm to substrate

Experiment:
- Multispore GT
- 4 pints of substrate
- 1cm 50/50 casing
- 12"x10" cropping surface
- 25% addition of coffee hydrated verm to substrate

If there is anything about this you think I should change, speak up.



When I did the two casings, I first combined all of the substrate in one container, and crumbled it into rice sized peices, and mixed thoroughly to try and minimize the inconsistencies caused by multispore inoc.


Feb 15th: the coffee casing is saturated with pins, with roughly twice as many as the regular casing. They are about a day ahead of the non-coffee pins. So far, coffee is lookin very nice :smile: I'm just waiting to see if the abort rate is high =X.. if not, im casing with coffeesized verm all the time.



Total dry results:

Coffee: 1.55 ounces
Control: 1.1 ounces

Keep in mind this was multispore.. but so far.. I'm impressed with coffee.




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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Hippie3]
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Hippie = Con man.


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Edited by NugDumper (02/28/04 02:16 PM)

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: Tantalus]
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mushroom


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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: rockstafarian]
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ouch can you say....burn

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: littlejohn747]
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Has anyone tried to use coffee hydrated vermiculite or straw mixed in with cow or horse manure?

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Re: hippies caffeine dunk [Re: sivad02487]
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Personally, I'd stay away from coffee dunking unless the local contaminant spore load is very low. Your used coffee grinds make an excellent addition to your substrate/compost mix, but I wouldn't want them exposed to the air and all the falling contaminant spores that constantly land on the surface of our casing layer. Even if you sterilize the coffee first, it is still an excellent source of food for all fungi, and that includes trichoderma and pennicillium molds, whose spores are floating in the air everywhere in the indoor environment. Those who succeed with the coffee dunk report very much improved results. You'll just have to decide if the increased risk of contaminants is worth it.

I also see no evidence that caffeine is the precursor chemical. Coffee has hundreds of chemicals in its makeup, and is high in anti-oxidants. I suspect it's these that give coffee hydrated grains or compost the boost. Experiments with plain caffeine have not yielded increased results to the best of my knowlege.
RR


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