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OfflineSBT
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    #22728108 - 01/02/16 01:27 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

I'm tired of working low to mid paying warehouse jobs(except for one that paid $40k a year) and think that going back to school will benefit me.  :sad:

I have been self schooling myself on technology and have learned JAVA and Android development quite well.  I just started reading and leaning about embedded programming and started reading 'AVR Microcontroller and Embedded Systems: Using Assembly and C' along with following some online tutorials that have me playing with a breadboard and Atmel microcontroller.  :frown:

I asked this question on another forum that shut down and the general answers were to actually go to community college and then transfer to a university.  I think this might be a bit to much for myself, but not because I have kids(which I don't) or because of the time, but because of the finances and general time it'll take me to actually get a degree.  :sad:

I've looked into trade schools and it appears that they are basically a waste of money.  I think an associates degree would probably be better for me but I'm not sure about how to go about it and what it'll get me as far as a job goes.  :frown:

Instead of technology education like I was originally planning, I think an associates degree in accounting might be better.  Two years of community college shouldn't cost that much, and I can always further my education if I so desire.  I did see some city jobs that required two years of office-type education and they paid quite well.  :sad:

But what type of job will an associates degree in accounting get me, how much would it likely pay, and how to I go about contacting the community college?  :frown:


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: SBT]
    #22728488 - 01/02/16 02:58 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Call up a college and make an appointment with an advisor, they'll tell you what the school has to offer, payment estimates, tell you your options with the particular major, and let you know what classes are transferable if you do decide you want to continue further with your education. Maybe they offer certificate programs you could do instead of an associates, or they might have something more suitable to your needs that you didn't think of/weren't aware of.
It's a lot to look up yourself and try to figure out especially because each school is different and can be extremely overwhelming.
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Re: College in your 30's [Re: SBT]
    #22731507 - 01/03/16 10:49 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Accounting is fairly awful. I have a bachelors in accounting and started at a firm at $16/hr. I only lasted a year before I went back to trades to make > $30/hr.

Trades for the win.

Accounting is also at a very high risk of automation  over the next 10 to 15 years. 


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #22731788 - 01/03/16 12:29 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

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Ahab McBathsalts said:
Accounting is also at a very high risk of automation  over the next 10 to 15 years. 




What does this^ mean?

Also, what trade school did you end up going to?  :sad:


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: SBT]
    #22731809 - 01/03/16 12:33 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

I went to wyotech Daytona FL, making US $90.00 a hr. Marine mechanic.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Madcaps]
    #22731860 - 01/03/16 12:53 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

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I went to wyotech Daytona FL, making US $90.00 a hr. Marine mechanic.




What exactly do you do as a Marine Mechanic?


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: SBT]
    #22731872 - 01/03/16 12:57 PM (8 years, 26 days ago)

Fix yacht engines.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: SBT]
    #22738573 - 01/05/16 06:40 AM (8 years, 25 days ago)

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SBT said:
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Ahab McBathsalts said:
Accounting is also at a very high risk of automation  over the next 10 to 15 years. 




What does this^ mean?






It means that in 10-15 years there is the potential that a computer could be doing your job for your employer, which means they would have no reason to keep you employed.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: 3Beatles9]
    #22739730 - 01/05/16 01:13 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

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SBT said:
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Ahab McBathsalts said:
Accounting is also at a very high risk of automation  over the next 10 to 15 years. 




What does this^ mean?






It means that in 10-15 years there is the potential that a computer could be doing your job for your employer, which means they would have no reason to keep you employed.



Meaning you wasted your money for school...


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Madcaps]
    #22745453 - 01/06/16 07:14 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

College is a risk for sure.  Not only the money, but the time.  There is opportunity cost with that lost time.  I will be in debt, unable to buy a home for the rest of my life thanks to college.  :shrug:


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: DieCommie]
    #22759767 - 01/09/16 11:27 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

what did you go to college for?


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22788748 - 01/17/16 12:23 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

You seem like self education is working for you pretty well.  My suggestion is to continue it, create projects for yourself to finish (android apps etc) and when you apply to appropriate jobs highlight the projects you self completed, what you learned doing them and don't be afraid to show them off at your interview.  It can be hard to get an interview but if you do, having tangible evidence of your abilities will trump any level of education.  Also if you feel capable, try looking for internships.  Again highlight actual functional projects you completed, challenges you face during them and how you overcame them.  You might be surprised at the doors that open for you via this method as it shows a strong sense of self management, a willingness to learn and most appropriately the ability to produce results.

EDIT: programming and computer.IT related jobs are a strong growth area with large earning potentials.  Don't just focus on software companies.  Companies that produce advanced devices, and even companies that produce things like refrigerators need people to create programming for them as more and moe devices get "smart".


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Ice9]
    #22821237 - 01/24/16 11:23 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Well, you have financial aid if you cannot afford college, and yes they offer fin. aid at community college.

I'm actually taking programming classes at my local CC and its going quite well.

I started last august, got an A in intro. to prog. w/ Java, now i'm in an intermediate C++ class.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Ice9]
    #22821251 - 01/24/16 11:28 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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You seem like self education is working for you pretty well.  My suggestion is to continue it, create projects for yourself to finish (android apps etc) and when you apply to appropriate jobs highlight the projects you self completed, what you learned doing them and don't be afraid to show them off at your interview.  It can be hard to get an interview but if you do, having tangible evidence of your abilities will trump any level of education.  Also if you feel capable, try looking for internships.  Again highlight actual functional projects you completed, challenges you face during them and how you overcame them.  You might be surprised at the doors that open for you via this method as it shows a strong sense of self management, a willingness to learn and most appropriately the ability to produce results.

EDIT: programming and computer.IT related jobs are a strong growth area with large earning potentials.  Don't just focus on software companies.  Companies that produce advanced devices, and even companies that produce things like refrigerators need people to create programming for them as more and moe devices get "smart".



Yeah, this seems to be true based on my own research.

apparently a lot of CS majors with bachelors degrees come out not knowing how to code at all, so if you can land an interview and actually code, explain your thought process, etc, you should be able to get a decent job even without a degree.

My school offers a trade degree in programming, I figure that can land me a few interviews and then I can show off my skills.

I'm doing a lot of self-learning with regards to programming as well, currently self-teaching myself Ruby.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: hTx]
    #22849201 - 02/01/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Trades have been highly underrated for a long time, seems everyone believes a person needs college and a white collar job to have success.

College and the white collar jobs are good, i'm not suggesting they aren't, but that's not all that is out there. Learning a trade and working up through a trade union can be a very good choice. Many of my family had great success doing just that, some ending up in a white collar position (like my dad, no college degree, but tons of practical experience)

Someone else mentioned how even a degree in accounting doesn't mean your job can't be either automated to a degree or outsources. Service industries/ trade jobs imo are a different matter.

When was the last time a computer fixed your heat pump/ ac unit? When was the last time you had electrical work done from a call center in India?

Mike Rowe talks a lot of good stuff about how the trades are good jobs, and how society has put such an emphasis on college educations that the trades have been somewhat neglected in terms of people being recruited into them.

That same emphasis on college also seems to have given the trades a bad rap, people sometimes tend to look down on those who choose that path...so unfortunate in my opinion, I know many good tradesmen that are honorable, hard working, talented people that earn good money.

I try to encourage people to keep the trades in mind when looking for a career, though I'll never discourage anyone from going the college route.

As far as programming goes. It's a rough job. Programming languages change and I know a lot of people that spend a lot of time and energy on trying to keep up with the changes.

I took some programming classes, I liked them. I learned along the way that it's a tough field to get into and tough to maintain earnings if you don't keep an eye on the rapid changes in technology.

Something like 20 years ago having a certification in umm- ....was it MSCE or Cisco?... - meant big bucks. But a few years ago I was in classes with people that rested on their laurels of having that cert and ended up having their earnings decrease...and they were back in community college trying to find another aspect of tech to regain their worth in the marketplace.

I'm no expert on programming and certs, just my experience talking to people when I tried changed careers some years back. Others may have better input on that. But my conclusion was programming didn't give me the idea I would be happy and feel safe in my job. But the world keeps changing, maybe programming is changing too. Just my 2 cents on programming.

Having said all that. Those with the proper programming skills can thrive, I've seen that too; but like I said they continually evolve as the tech world does....it's just too fast a pace for me for one thing, and not enough job security for me once you consider how much effort you would put into being a good programmer.

I also considered networking, gen pc repair and maintenance, as well as network security. I was more interested in those to be honest.

I also found a lot of overlap in all these things. Knowing unix and pc command promp-ish stuff helped a lot in networking and security.

If you were to go into computer technology as a college degree, you'd likely dabble in a bit of all this anyway. Along the way you would hopefully find what area fits best, hopefully before you have to declare a major.

I also am a fan of community colleges for two years. Where I live if you go to a state community college they have programs set up to put you on track to transfer to a State Uni for the other two years. Where I live it's practically guaranteed admittance if you follow the program your adviser sets out for you.

Far as I could tell it wouldn't take you longer to get your degree like you were mentioning. If anything it might be less time, less money, more flexible schedule of classes in CC, while still allowing you to work.

Or join a trade union and let them educate you for pretty much nothing while you earn money and advance towards being a journeyman to make better money. Practical experience right away, help finding jobs and no college loans to pay back.

Damn, I am babbling like mad. Sorry lol. But I'm went through the same thing in 06, wanting to change careers, matter of fact I never found the right answer and am going through it again.

Damnit, babbling again lol

Good luck. Feel free to message me, sounds like you're going though a lot of what I have, and am going through for that matter. Happy to listen and give what feedback I'm able.

You've got a killer attitude though, you can do this and be exactly the type of employee someone is looking for. :grin:


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: browny]
    #22878060 - 02/08/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I hate to be blunt, but your best bet for more cash would be find a trade you love and do it. College is overrated, and this screwy economy is so bad that unless you are exceptional in class, and you know people in high places, you will be bitterly disappointed. If your intent is learning for it's own sake than do it. Also, some things like chemistry and math have a lot of useful potential in real life.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #22880355 - 02/08/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

How do you use chemistry and math in real life?


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: DieCommie]
    #22880731 - 02/08/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

well chemistry comes in pretty handy :meff:


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22886137 - 02/10/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I have actually been thinking about this myself, but im 22 not in my 30s..I got out of high school and just worked. Got in trouble and had to do just a day under a year for breaking into cars..

Thats the downfall for me, I don't think I can get any type of grants, or be lucky to even get finacial aid in my situation with felonies. I make 13$ a hour at my job working 3-11AM. Kind of sucks, but most jobs are right at min wage, and this one is 4$ over with no further education, just have exp in the food business, been night manager at a couple fast food places, about 2 years exp in that.


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Re: College in your 30's [Re: LSDollar]
    #22892030 - 02/11/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

As long as your felony isn't drug or fraud related you can still get into most colleges and get financial aid. Getting a job after college that makes it worth it is another story, the economy sucks even for squeaky clean people who haven't gotten caught... If you have a drug related felony you're pretty much screwed because of employer insurance underwriting, the sad truth is even kid diddlers have a better chance at employment. Goes to show how sick our world actually is!


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