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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2271324 - 01/25/04 10:56 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i'm surprised that so many people here are saying jefferson.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271345 - 01/25/04 11:07 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think production is rising if that were the case we would not have invaded iraq. The cost is too high unless oil production is on the decline.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
    #2271360 - 01/25/04 11:14 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think production is rising if that were the case we would not have invaded iraq. The cost is too high unless oil production is on the decline.

production is rising.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271384 - 01/25/04 11:21 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

it probably is, but it doesn't feel like it to me

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2271391 - 01/25/04 11:24 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Ronald Reagan.



You mean the guy who armed Saddam Hussein?  And who sold arms to terrorists?  Ya, great guy. :thumbup:


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271395 - 01/25/04 11:27 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Do you really think reagon knew anything about that?

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Xlea321]
    #2271400 - 01/25/04 11:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

what is chomsky's theory about the JFK assassination?

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
    #2271411 - 01/25/04 11:32 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you really think reagon knew anything about that?



Do I think he knew about it at the time? Absolutely. Do I think he's forgotten about it by now? Absolutely.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271464 - 01/25/04 11:48 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

He was a good actor not a great actor it seems out of character for him to have been involved in arming Hussein. If he was he was greatly misled as to the nature of the man.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
    #2271475 - 01/25/04 11:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Please educate yourself on history before engaging in debate. I don't have time to school you on already well-known facts.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271482 - 01/25/04 11:55 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

:eyemouth:

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271484 - 01/25/04 11:56 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ok

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271641 - 01/25/04 01:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"I do not know on what principles of reasoning it is that good men think the public ought to pay more for a thing than they would themselves if they wanted it." --Thomas Jefferson

"All the purposes for which [the government] can pay a single dollar are specified by law." --Thomas Jefferson

"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association--'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.'" --Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever there is in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." --Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271682 - 01/25/04 01:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788. ME 7:248

"I approved from the first moment of... the power of taxation [in the new Constitution]. I thought at first that [it] might have been limited. A little reflection soon convinced me it ought not to be." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

"Taxation is, in fact, the most difficult function of government and that against which their citizens are most apt to be refractory. The general aim is, therefore, to adopt the mode most consonant with the circumstances and sentiments of the country." --Thomas Jefferson: Introduction to Tracy's "Political Economy," 1816. ME 14:460


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271696 - 01/25/04 01:21 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i think we found the same quotes page. it's HUGE, eh?

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271790 - 01/25/04 01:57 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Yup. Sure is. Thomas Jefferson quotes seem kinda like the Bible, in that whichever side you're on, you could find the right quotes to back up your position.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271939 - 01/25/04 02:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

whichever side you're on, you could find the right quotes to back up your position.

i think you might be stretching things there.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271950 - 01/25/04 02:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, so a fascist wouldn't have a very easy time finding Jefferson quotes to support his ideas, but within American politics, there are plenty of Jefferson quotes to support both liberal and conservative ideologies.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271954 - 01/25/04 02:45 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

very true...
that guy has said sooooo much, it's hard not to find something relevant to any general ideology..

he's praised how great slavery is, and also attecked it

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271962 - 01/25/04 02:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

when did he praise slavery?

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