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CBS censors anti-Bush ad
    #2271207 - 01/25/04 12:12 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Taken from the "America slides even further down the shithole" files:

During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer companies, tobacco companies, and the Bush White House. But you won't see the winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. CBS refuses to air it.

Meanwhile, the White House and Congressional Republicans are on the verge of signing into law a deal which Senator John McCain (R-AZ) says is custom-tailored for CBS and Fox, allowing the two networks to grow much bigger. CBS lobbied hard for this rule change; MoveOn.org members across the country lobbied against it; and now the MoveOn.org ad has been rejected while the White House ad will be played. It looks an awful lot like CBS is playing politics with the right to free speech.

Of course, this is bigger than just the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) submitted an ad that was also rejected. We need to let CBS know that this practice of arbitrarily turning down ads that may be "controversial" ? especially if they're controversial simply because they take on the President ? just isn't right.

To watch the ad that CBS won't air and sign the petition to CBS to run these ads, go to:
http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/

MoveOn.org will deliver the petition by email directly to CBS headquarters.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2271225 - 01/25/04 12:20 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

It probably has more to do with the audience they are targetting and no one really want to think during the super bowl, it is a time to drink.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2271318 - 01/25/04 12:54 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

No it has everything to do with politics.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2271347 - 01/25/04 01:07 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Meanwhile, the White House and Congressional Republicans are on the verge of signing into law a deal which Senator John McCain (R-AZ) says is custom-tailored for CBS and Fox, allowing the two networks to grow much bigger.

let that sink in a little.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: barfightlard]
    #2271358 - 01/25/04 01:11 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

no it doesn't bush and this adminstration aren't going to hurtsale of beer or make you think


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2271407 - 01/25/04 01:31 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

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It probably has more to do with the audience they are targetting and no one really want to think during the super bowl, it is a time to drink.



Rubbish. If they're going to allow the White House to place an ad, they should do the same for their opponents. During most football games, I agree that the target audience wouldn't care much about it, but this is the Superbowl, an American tradition. I guarantee you that it'll be reaching more than just Bush supporters.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271443 - 01/25/04 01:40 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

I think is just business, the move on as is probably very clever, but will be an intrusion in game the white house ad won't.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2271456 - 01/25/04 01:46 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

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I think is just business, the move on as is probably very clever, but will be an intrusion in game the white house ad won't.



How do you figure? It's not like there haven't been any political ads in previous Super Bowls.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271480 - 01/25/04 01:54 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

They probably think they won't be getting much repeat business from moveon, they probably won't.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2271495 - 01/25/04 02:02 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

What? Who won't be getting repeat business from moveon? This is the SuperBowl. Advertisers pay hefty sums of money to get an advertising spot. It sounds like moveon has the money, but the network won't allow it to be aired. This is pure censorship. No way around that. If they weren't allowing Bush's ads to be aired, I might agree with you.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271514 - 01/25/04 02:09 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

This is pure censorship. No way around that.

no it isn't.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: ]
    #2271519 - 01/25/04 02:11 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Then what is it?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271534 - 01/25/04 02:21 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

it's a private company deciding not to air a particular advertisement.


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    #2271538 - 01/25/04 02:22 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Ok, if you want to get into semantics, it's not EXACTLY censorship, since the government isn't doing it, but it's the same concept. They're preventing certain ideas from being expressed.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271549 - 01/25/04 02:28 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

BTW, I think we can scratch CBS off of the "liberal media" checklist.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271555 - 01/25/04 02:32 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

they are not preventing things from being expressed.

they are only refusing to take part in expressing them.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: ]
    #2271592 - 01/25/04 02:46 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

yea, im sure alot of people would get pissed off if they ared an anti bush ad. If people are pissed off, they might change the channel. Advert isers know this.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: domite]
    #2271594 - 01/25/04 02:47 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Who's gonna change the channel during the SuperBowl?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271645 - 01/25/04 03:04 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Only feelgood pollitical messages are allowed during the superbowl. No mudslinging.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2271649 - 01/25/04 03:05 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

tobacco companies?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2271660 - 01/25/04 03:08 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

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Only feelgood pollitical messages are allowed during the superbowl. No mudslinging.



So in other words, only messages that talk about how great the current administration is and how wonderful America is doing right now?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271831 - 01/25/04 04:08 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Silversoul do you think if lysergic had enough money he could get an ad describing how bad and stupid black people are run during the superbowl? After all im sure they had ads showing blacks in a positive light so might not also the oposite. Or is it in CBS's right not to run the ad?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: d33p]
    #2271835 - 01/25/04 04:10 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Ok, I see your point, but still, if they're not going to show one side of the issue, they should show the other. If they're not going to show this ad, they shouldn't show the White House's ad either. Besides, I hardly think racism is comparable to a political campaign.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271871 - 01/25/04 04:20 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Some people take their countries leadership as seriously as racism. I mean really were talking about the kind of people who possibly still think Saddam was the one who planned 9/11. These kind of feverous people get offended very easily and it would not be good for CBS.

At far as marketing goes. Good news is better than bad news and no news. Representing something people like in a positive manner is always on their minds.

Also moveon.org supported some ads which comparred bush to hitler. But soon they claimed they just slipped through the radar. Well do you think they should run one of the hitler ads. Could you even imagine what would happen.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: d33p]
    #2271882 - 01/25/04 04:23 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Ok, I get what you're saying. Still, I watched the moveon ad, and it didn't seem any more disturbing than the anti-drug ads that are sure to be aired during the Super Bowl.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2271895 - 01/25/04 04:29 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

Well i dont agree with the anti-drug ads either. unfortunately most of the people watching the superbowl probably will and thats just good business.

Also what kind of ads are the white house putting out? "Bush is good, now vote for his ass in November"?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: d33p]
    #2271935 - 01/25/04 04:39 PM (18 years, 6 days ago)

I don't know. I guess I'd have to actually see the White House ad before I can really make a judgement call, but if it's a campaign ad, I'm gonna be pretty pissed off.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275135 - 01/26/04 05:55 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

ding ding ding


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: afoaf]
    #2275157 - 01/26/04 06:06 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Its funny, i cancelled my cable almost a year ago.  I got a tape of a movie, with commericals, and i was absolutely appallled!  Literally half the movie was commercials, and it was bad enough fast forwarding...i don't think i could subjugate myself to tv crap again...at least not volintarily. :thumbdown:

Of course ads are going to be picked and choosen from....for whatever audience the network is targeting. :rolleyes:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2275223 - 01/26/04 06:23 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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Of course ads are going to be picked and choosen from....for whatever audience the network is targeting.



I wasn't aware that only Republicans watched the SuperBowl.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275234 - 01/26/04 06:26 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

what do you mean?  :confused:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275236 - 01/26/04 06:26 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

dbl post :blush:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2275251 - 01/26/04 06:31 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Everyone keeps talking about how they're just going after their target audience, but in America, just about everyone watches the Superbowl, so how come they're airing a pro-Bush ad and refusing to air an anti-Bush ad, when Bush's approval ratings are less than 50% right now?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275276 - 01/26/04 06:38 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Basically if you subjugated to a whitehouse ad, your not going to change the channel, get pissed off, or anything like that....mabye get a laugh, but thats it.
If its something comparing bush to hitler thats entirely different...people will be outraged, change the channel, complain etc....

...im not sure why though, but don't you agree?


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2275280 - 01/26/04 06:40 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Did you actually click the link and watch the commercial? There was nothing in it comparing Bush to Hitler. It was all about the deficit and how the children today are going to have to pay it off.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275331 - 01/26/04 06:57 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Its about 'bushs' deficiet and how the children will pay it off.

People get outraged becuase they think the war was worth it. They don't want to hear they made a mistake wasting money on some bullshit war. They'd rather see children in afghanistan and iraq playing because thier dictators are gone. They don't want to see thier children doing shit jobs for thier mistake, they can't admit to.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2275344 - 01/26/04 07:01 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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People get outraged becuase they think the war was worth it.



I don't think the average American is smart enough to make the connection between the war and the economy.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275366 - 01/26/04 07:11 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Then they wouldn't understand the commercial anyways... :shake:
guess it doesn't matter...


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2275374 - 01/26/04 07:14 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

No, they'll probably understand that we have a huge fucking deficit to pay off, and maybe in some abstract sense understand that it's Bush's fault. We're not a very detail-oriented culture.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2275386 - 01/26/04 07:17 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

however, the ad where 2 slutty looking women beat each up over beer was a-OK.


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    #2275389 - 01/26/04 07:19 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

and what is wrong with that?! :smirk:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2275682 - 01/26/04 09:16 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

"I think is just business"

Right. Politics has turned into a business in case nobody noticed......

BIG, BIG BUSINESS.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Strumpling]
    #2275706 - 01/26/04 09:31 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Well in this case no one has to watch the game, I'm not going to though I may
drink a few beers. Business is funny like that you don't , like it you can take yours
somewheres else it is a lot like politics in that respect.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: falcon]
    #2278509 - 01/27/04 07:38 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

falcon I live in Los Angeles - I'll have to hide in a hole in the ground if I don't want to watch the game...


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Strumpling]
    #2278556 - 01/27/04 07:49 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

:lol: I can go outside  and avoid it.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2279499 - 01/28/04 01:44 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

I think that is all business. The anti bush ad or whatever would make it appear that cbs is anti bush, which in turn in many peoples mind makes them anti america. More people are going to offended by an anti bush ad than an ad by george bush. Plain and simple, you offend people, you lose their support. CBS could be the most liberal channel for all I know, but from a business standpoint it just makes sense not to air an anti bush ad.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2281374 - 01/28/04 05:43 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

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What?  Who won't be getting repeat business from moveon?  This is the SuperBowl.  Advertisers pay hefty sums of money to get an advertising spot.  It sounds like moveon has the money, but the network won't allow it to be aired.  This is pure censorship.  No way around that. 



Actually, their is a gigantic way around that.  Private networks can air whatever the hell they would like, as long as it meets FCC and other federal regulatory standards.  If I don't want liberal trash to be shown on my TV channel, then it wont' be, and thats that.  Censorship makes it sound like it's big government at work, and it's not. It's an owner of a media outlet deciding what he will or will not air.  If you don't like it, you can start your own TV network, make your own football teams, and have your own superbowl. Four days and counting, good luck :smile:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2281503 - 01/28/04 06:46 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

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If I don't want liberal trash to be shown on my TV channel, then it wont' be, and thats that. 




How does that work?  :oogle:


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2281688 - 01/28/04 08:32 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

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If I don't want liberal trash to be shown on my TV channel, then it wont' be, and thats that. 



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How does that work?  :oogle:




Simple, Liberals don't advertise during the Peter Poppoff hour


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2284970 - 01/29/04 08:31 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

some of you act as tho the media is absolutely removed from the government and politics, it is not. if you truely believe there is no influence of belief affecting what you see, it is your loss of knowledge and reality. censorship exists, so do monopolies. it is in your benefit to understand and accept these things. or you could get drunk and watch football.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: thescientist]
    #2285529 - 01/29/04 11:43 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

Just so you guys know, there was a link to moveon.org on the Communist Party USA website. And the reason why they are being denied airtime might be due to their ties with that organization. Just a thought.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: thescientist]
    #2289831 - 01/31/04 04:35 PM (18 years, 13 hours ago)

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some of you act as tho the media is absolutely removed from the government and politics, it is not. if you truely believe there is no influence of belief affecting what you see, it is your loss of knowledge and reality. censorship exists, so do monopolies. it is in your benefit to understand and accept these things. or you could get drunk and watch football.




The government is not making this advertisment illegal to show, nor is it having any overt action in preventing it from being shown. CBS Broadcasting, or whomever the entity is, has decided not to air it. If the American Nazi Party (or some such group) wanted to put on an advertisment for joining their ranks and building more concentration camps, they could just as easily say no to that. It's THEIR network, not yours, if you don't like what htey are doing, thats your opinion, but at least have the intelligence to realize that it's not government-sponsored censorship, it's a group of people deciding what they will, or will not show, on their television station.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2289864 - 01/31/04 04:55 PM (18 years, 13 hours ago)

This is evolving's post on another thread, but he/she sums it up well:

"Corporate news organizations are very careful about biting the hand that feeds them. If CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, CNN etc were to come down too harshly on the establishment they would not longer be fed exclusives or get the opportunities for questions at news conferences or may even be denied press passes for disharmonious new reporters. Also, any broadcast station is granted an exclusive monopoly on their frequency by the government (in a geographic area). FCC licensing can be revoked or the FCC may increase scrutiny on a broadcaster and decide that some of the broadcast content is deserving of fines for one infraction or another. It should also be noted that cable providers are granted exclusive monopolies by municipalities (though I don't think this has much bearing on what channels they decide to carry).

A thoughtful examination of the broadcast press in the U.S., would yield the conclusion that they would tend to be biased towards the powers that be."


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: EchoVortex]
    #2313219 - 02/08/04 01:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: silversoul7]
    #2318278 - 02/09/04 04:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

*yea, im sure alot of people would get pissed off if they ared an anti bush ad. If people are pissed off, they might change the channel. Advert isers know this.*

That was the dumbest thing i have ever heard, do you really think some one is going to change the channel of something that they are watching simply because they had to watch a commercial they didnt like. Hell i hate all commercials but i still watch tv.


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Protester]
    #2318301 - 02/09/04 05:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I no longer watch CBS (Corporate BullShit).


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Re: CBS censors anti-Bush ad [Re: Protester]
    #2318646 - 02/09/04 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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*yea, im sure alot of people would get pissed off if they ared an anti bush ad. If people are pissed off, they might change the channel. Advert isers know this.*

That was the dumbest thing i have ever heard, do you really think some one is going to change the channel of something that they are watching simply because they had to watch a commercial they didnt like. Hell i hate all commercials but i still watch tv.




Hmm, if they changed the channel that would definately reflect people overreacting. Which NEVER occurs from the superbowl:


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