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CyPike
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Forrester]
#21368648 - 03/05/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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bw86
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CyPike]
#21369447 - 03/06/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you for the response forrster right now im using brewers grains as spawn so 5 pounds is just as cheep as 1 qt  I would like to do some half and half buckets with reishi on bottom and oyster on top I understand a entire bucket of each would perform better but i like novelty grows and just grow for fun. You guys think i can get them both to fruit in one bucket?Would one eventually eat the other
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: bw86]
#21369503 - 03/06/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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quick question. Can these buckets can be placed in a room or do they have to be inside a greenhouse?
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bw86
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as long as your RH is right you can put them anywhere you want.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: bw86]
#21374404 - 03/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Remember that spent brewery grain is already stripped of most of its sugars and starches, so it is nowhere near as nutritious as whole grains. It's better for use as a supplement. I've been thinking of making spawn bags that are 50/50 whole grains/brewery grains and using that on pasteurized sawdust or straw so you can still supplement without the need to sterilize your final fruiting substrate. 
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: FoxFire]
#21374422 - 03/07/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use the SPG as my spawn wouldn't the substrate have all the nutes i need?
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: bw86]
#21374430 - 03/07/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Possibly, but your yields might be lower and colonization times slower. Not saying it doesn't work, it's just not ideal. You want some whole grains in there.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: FoxFire]
#21374494 - 03/07/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear you, but its free so maybe the 5 pounds will equal out to one quart of something more nutritious .At the least it will have a lot more surface area.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: bw86]
#22688839 - 12/22/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I apologize for bumping into this thread. I have been doing bags, and the shrinkage is extremely noticeable in my 5-6# bags, but how much shrinkage are you getting in the 5 gallon pail? is it enough to allow the 2nd or 3rd flush to grow inside the pail? If so how did you resolve this issue?
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: OldYamaha]
#22689565 - 12/23/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mine didn't shrink that much. I always got a solid 3rd or even 4th flush from the buckets without fruits growing inside the bucket.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: FoxFire]
#22689731 - 12/23/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks. I was having mold issues with my FC, so I wanted to go to buckets and just tent bucket logs and after each use throw away the tent plastic. Too new and too much to learn. Thanks
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: OldYamaha]
#22690225 - 12/23/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Gr0wer]
#22694352 - 12/24/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gr0wer said: If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.
Thank you Gr0wer, my mold had to do with the shelving that the bags were growing on, not inside the bags. I was just cleaning up my FC after my 1st grow, (Another thread you and I were talking on about using hydrated lime and wood pellets, I decided to only supplement with additional seed by the way) I didn't get TRIC until the 3rd flush)and all of my shelves had mold on them. (Could those shelves just be sprayed down with 1% bleach between flushes?) I was thinking that the buckets could be stacked, no shelving needed, and that I could then bleach the FC area where the buckets were during fruiting, while that set of buckets were resting. I just don't have enough figured out yet, before farmers market season, and the 1 restaurant that said he would take 20#'s per week, if/when I could produce them.(since our 1st conversation, he has open a 2nd restaurant, so the qty may be more than that too) I was thinking of using 2 gallon buckets from WallyWorld kitchen @ fitycent each, with hardwood pellets and plastic bag liners. Bad idea? I have a huge haymow out at the farm that is about 3400sq ft that I can move to if I start making ends meet. Right now there seems to be only 1 local that is growing.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Gr0wer]
#22694576 - 12/24/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gr0wer said: If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.
All the people I know that don't have their whole infa structure dedicated to straw logs are switching to filter bags. Soybean hull pellets and wood pellets 50-50 yield better than straw and much less time between flushes. That and you can avoid flies in incubation even if they're there.
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Gr0wer
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: drake89]
#22695012 - 12/24/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do they put bran in with the wood pellets and soybean hulls? Was it you thats converting to this style grow?
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Gr0wer]
#22695333 - 12/24/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity why filter bags instead of logs? If the advantage of soybean/wood pellets is better yield, couldn't you run those as logs too? Or would they be too heavy?
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Gr0wer
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Sivarted]
#22695339 - 12/24/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You steam sterilize the bags, that's why it's in filter bags and not normal poly tubes. From what i can gather the advantages are not only possibility of higher BE but better usage of space. You basically make walls of logs with fruits facing outwards.
Edited by Gr0wer (12/24/15 04:08 PM)
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Gr0wer]
#22695363 - 12/24/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Isn't bulk pasteurization of straw easier than full sterilization and the amount of work that has to be done in sterile conditions to get semi-equivalent amounts of substrate?
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Gr0wer
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Sivarted]
#22695417 - 12/24/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once you have a flowhood its not much harder. And straw makes a mess. Im sure i could inoculate 18 10 lb bags faster then spawn fill and pack 6 30 lb logs. And cleanup would take a fraction of the time as the mess straw makes. Also 30-40 lb logs get heavy over time. You can steam sterilize in large vessels just like you would bulk pasteurize in.
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Gr0wer]
#22695563 - 12/24/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Sorry for the thread hijack.
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