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Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel??
    #22689514 - 12/23/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Seems illogical for me to believe that cultures that existed before civilization weren't able to figure out how to use a wheel. Is this just blatant propaganda used against primitivism? Or is it actually true that humans before civilization didn't have the brain capacity to use a fucking wheel?? Seems illogical to me. I think history books and Wikipedia disrespects our ancient ancestors way too much


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22690034 - 12/23/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your post makes absolutely no sense. Why don't chimps ride bikes?


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22690059 - 12/23/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because they aren't humans , maybe?


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22690788 - 12/23/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wheels are precision instruments, most easily made with metal tools. For this reason wheels weren't practical until the early Bronze Age. I'm sure it had been thought of before but having the idea and getting it to work are two different things.


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: Rahz]
    #22690814 - 12/23/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So hunting gathering tribes before civilization have been dug up. They find that many of them have complex architecture and art. Where was this information to the public of the 20th Century and before? Nowhere. They hid it in order to continue the conquest for global control, and manipulating humans into doing their dirty work for them. But now with internet, the information and eye witness accounts CANNOT go unheard. They tricked my Irish ancestors through starvation to come to "the land of the free" and build rails for them and kill all the natives. While they sit fat and ugly and smelly, safe in an office chair, scheming more psychological warfare to control the masses. Fuck the system. Our ancestors were more capable of things than people can EVER possibly know. I will not disrespect and continue this false narrative that has been shoved down my throat. WE DID NOT COME FROM MONKEYS. If we came from monkeys, why the fuck do they still exist? Why aren't they scheming like we are??? You know why? BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GIVEN THE GIFT.

Fertile Crescent is the fall of purity. It's the adam and eve story. It is where man lost his love for earth and decided to take aim at immortality. All these inventions- made - easy shouldn't be made heroic. Stop falling for the deception. They cannot continue their hold on humanity. It needs to stop. Respect our ancestors and stop falling for stupid "stone age" PROPAGANDA


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22690831 - 12/23/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So... this thread isn't about wheels?


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: Rahz]
    #22690978 - 12/23/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.livescience.com/18808-invention-wheel.html
Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel
by Natalie Wolchover  |  March 02, 2012 06:24pm ET
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Wheels were invented circa 3,500 B.C., and rapidly spread across the Eastern Hemisphere.
Wheels were invented circa 3,500 B.C., and rapidly spread across the Eastern Hemisphere.


Wheels are the archetype of a primitive, caveman-level technology. But in fact, they're so ingenious that it took until 3500 B.C. for someone to invent them. By that time — it was the Bronze Age — humans were already casting metal alloys, constructing canals and sailboats, and even designing complex musical instruments such as harps.

The tricky thing about the wheel is not conceiving of a cylinder rolling on its edge. It's figuring out how to connect a stable, stationary platform to that cylinder.

"The stroke of brilliance was the wheel-and-axle concept," said David Anthony, a professor of anthropology at Hartwick College and author of "The Horse, the Wheel, and Language" (Princeton, 2007). "But then making it was also difficult."

To make a fixed axle with revolving wheels, Anthony explained, the ends of the axle had to be nearly perfectly smooth and round, as did the holes in the center of the wheels; otherwise, there would be too much friction between these components for the wheels to turn. Furthermore, the axles had to fit snugly inside the wheels' holes, but not too snugly — they had to be free to rotate. [What Makes Wheels Appear to Spin Backward?]

The success of the whole structure was extremely sensitive to the size of the axle. A thick axle would generate too much friction, while narrow one would reduce friction but would also be too weak to support a load. "They solved this problem by making the earliest wagons quite narrow, so they could have short axles, which made it possible to have an axle that wasn't very thick," Anthony told Life's Little Mysteries.

The sensitivity of the wheel-and-axle system to all these factors meant that it could not have been developed in phases, he said. It was an all-or-nothing structure.

Whoever invented it must have had access to wide slabs of wood from thick-trunked trees in order to carve large, round wheels. They also needed metal tools to chisel fine-fitted holes and axles. And they must have had a need for hauling heavy burdens over land. According to Anthony, "It was the carpentry that probably delayed the invention until 3500 B.C. or so, because it was only after about 4000 B.C. that cast copper chisels and gouges became common in the Near East."

The invention of the wheel was so challenging that it probably happened only once, in one place. However, from that place, it seems to have spread so rapidly across Eurasia and the Middle East that experts cannot say for sure where it originated. The earliest images of wheeled carts have been excavated in Poland and elsewhere in the Eurasian steppes, and this region is overtaking Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) as the wheel's most likely birthplace. According to Asko Parpola, an Indologist at the University of Helsinki in Finland, there are linguistic reasons to believe the wheel originated with the Tripolye people of modern-day Ukraine. That is, the words associated with wheels and wagons derive from the language of that culture.

Parpola thinks miniature models of wheeled wagons, which are commonly found in the Eurasian steppes, likely predated human-scale wagons. "It is … striking that so many models were made in the Tripolye culture. Such models are often thought to have been children's toys, but it seems more likely to me that they were miniature counterparts of real things," he said. "The primacy of the miniature models is suggested by the fact that wheeled images of animals even come from native Indian cultures of Central America, where real wheels were never made."

Toys or not, those popular models of old have their counterparts in today's Hot Wheels and miniature fire trucks. Who appreciates wheeled vehicles more fully than babies and toddlers? Their almost universal fascination with the way tiny vehicles can be rolled along the floor, and the joy they derive from transportation in life-size ones, calls attention to the remarkable ingenuity of the wheel.

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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: laughingdog]
    #22690986 - 12/23/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Propaganda? No thanks. I will not disrespect our ancestors. This thread isn't about the wheel. It's about lies and corruption , and the wheel is just an example of how they manipulated humans into thinking they are their friends and will take care of them through technological advancement. The propaganda is so strong and I feel so stupid for believing it almost my whole life. It's a very evil lie that runs deep in our culture to make us godless Marxists


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22691023 - 12/23/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well you picked a really bad example. You have evidence the wheel was used prior to 3000 BC? If not, aren't you just making shit up... just like you claim the people you're bitching about did?

You sir, must be human!


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: Rahz]
    #22691032 - 12/23/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What do you believe in? So called truth and reason? Empty words, lies , and propaganda is what they are. Scientists can go suck a fat one , and so can the English language in general. We can never know , fucking accept it and let go.


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22691041 - 12/23/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

your posts ALWAYS have a picture of an apparently angry drunk person...

your reply seems to make no sense...

how is  physics propaganda?

"To make a fixed axle with revolving wheels, Anthony explained, the ends of the axle had to be nearly perfectly smooth and round, as did the holes in the center of the wheels; otherwise, there would be too much friction between these components for the wheels to turn. Furthermore, the axles had to fit snugly inside the wheels' holes, but not too snugly'"

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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22691049 - 12/23/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What do you believe in? So called truth and reason? Empty words, lies , and propaganda is what they are. Scientists can go suck a fat one , and so can the English language in general. We can never know , fucking accept it and let go.




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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: Rahz]
    #22691077 - 12/23/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

indeed
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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: laughingdog]
    #22691093 - 12/23/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not down with scientists. That's irrational sabotage (although in a natural world it is rational). There is a deeper narrative working through them , and they are too blind and cowardly to truly see


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22691155 - 12/23/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Scientists don't have the final say in how their work is presented through media, but scientists are humans too and it's a mixed bag like every other group.

Sure, the victors write the history but when it comes to the advent of metal working and wheels there's not a lot of dissent. You didn't even present any evidence to the contrary so it seemed odd that you would pick on the wheel.

It's true, nobody know when the wheel was first used. We take it on faith, but it can also be seen as a matter of probability. In a more general sense (to the point of your topic) I suspect the ancients were just as evil as modern man in their own way. You don't really have a problem with the 1 percent, you have a problem with humanity.

Or maybe they were dumber back then and thus less capable of evil?


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: Rahz]
    #22691198 - 12/23/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Scientists have their bright spots. I used to like Robert Sapolsky a lot, and other primitive , behavioral biologists - types. But then I realized the deception of economy and bankers on the population. Then everything made sense and came into view clearly , and all of a sudden my death and life has come full circle. It's a beautiful tragedy but I must die in order to give legitimicy. My words will be lost as mental illness to many, including those in my own family, and I label these people sheep. They have been so dumbed down and removed from morals, nothing fucking makes sense to them. They search for truth through texts and research, but how much does that really prove? How much information can we possible perceive before we realize WE ARE JUST PERCEIVING . Life is an experience, not a math equation. The demonization of the cycle of life and nature Is inherent within the science community. They cannot see that maybe something in our existence is bringing about resistance from nature , through the form of disease (amongst MANY other things )


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22692529 - 12/23/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Propaganda? No thanks. I will not disrespect our ancestors. This thread isn't about the wheel. ... how they manipulated humans into thinking they are their friends ... It's a very evil lie that runs deep in our culture to make us godless Marxists




yes you've got something real deep here man: they turned us all into godless marxists
"they" have manipulated us humans, but if we get drunk enough, kick enough ass and be real primitive we can fuck "them" up real good

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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: laughingdog]
    #22692833 - 12/23/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl:

thats how i am going to refer to drinking from now on.

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    #22692944 - 12/23/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fucking right we can . By sabotaging ourselves! Not participating in their game; drinking from the potion so to speak. This is only worst case scenario though. I still believe in humanity and creation and there's something left to be salvaged, but there ultimately needs to be a second american revolution, whether it be peaceful or violent. It may need to exert violence to demand our voices are heard. It may need to commit mass suicide. It may need to do a lot of short term horrible things in order to cripple their control and constant progress for a decade or so. This should weaken them enough to return sovereignty to different communities. But it's not going to be pretty.


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    #22692953 - 12/23/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:curbyourenthusiasm:


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    #22692955 - 12/23/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Keep laughing, fat and comfortable. Your day will come :sadyes:


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    #22693003 - 12/23/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:oogle:

I'm sorry man.


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    #22693009 - 12/23/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

See before you laugh. Now , you listen.


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    #22693095 - 12/23/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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    #22693131 - 12/23/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You would in reality. Only until your own security is threatened will you ever acknowledge my well being or truly care about me. It's the nature of you sheep. It's sad. And you fall for the propaganda about not caring about anything. Yeah, I used to search for truth in those texts as well. They are LIES to take away morality and resistance from the people. Libertarians are your heroes they aren't some form of nazis. What is going on right now is the slope to a constant state of terror they brew. Sometimes I don't even know why I try with libtards you know? They get so invested in their beliefs and there is such violent opposition to anyone who opposes the general consensus TAUGHT to you. Shaming your own brothers and sisters because they oppose oppression? Then when they make rash decisions, you blame the device or method they used? You laugh and laugh and laugh, disregard all the way up until your government lets you down and paints you an enemy to stand up to. An artificial enemy they created. THEY kill innocents, not us. THEY are the crazies. Keep laughing bud


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22693426 - 12/24/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You are clearly some delusional attention seeker who wants to blame the world for their problems.


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    #22693436 - 12/24/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And you're clearly a brain dead zombie who has been abused. You're barely even human at this point.


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22694449 - 12/24/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ALLS I WAS SAYING IS YOU NEED TO CALLLM DOWWWN PAL


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: eehoo]
    #22694762 - 12/24/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You are clearly some delusional attention seeker who wants to blame the world for their problems.



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And you're clearly a brain dead zombie who has been abused. You're barely even human at this point.




Knock it the fuck off before I whip out the banstick, it's a holiday so forgiveness is in the air..... Consider this a warning.


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Re: Civilization Responsible for inventing the wheel?? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22695705 - 12/24/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My apologies.


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    #22696485 - 12/24/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whip out the ban stick then pussy.

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