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OfflineTheJakeyl88
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Alternative to Vermiculite?
    #2268386 - 01/24/04 10:56 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I just got my spores in today, thanks Ralphster! Very fast service! Anyways, I can't find vermiculite ANYWHERE, I've been looking all day and basically I get the same answer, its too hard to get from suppliers. So is there an alternative? thanks!


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2268395 - 01/24/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

no,not really lots of things have been talked about,but nothing compares.Do you have a pressure cooker?If so you might want to consider grains or bird seed.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2268399 - 01/24/04 11:01 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah, its almost impossible to find an alternative to vermiculite...and no perlite is not one.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2268404 - 01/24/04 11:02 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Heres a link in the FAQ to this topic:
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23263


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2268495 - 01/24/04 11:46 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

you cant find verm? i see it all the time, ill get a price and u can buy it from me if u like, pm me for details.

but first check home depot's nursery section, ask the people if u cant find it on your own. and if u cant get it there, ive never found a plant store that DIDNT have it, its in the soil section. it comes in a silly looking bag, and if your at a good plant store they have differnt brands and sizes.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: amyloid]
    #2268560 - 01/25/04 12:11 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Well, there is a home depot less than 3 minutes away from where I live and I checked but couldn't find it there, only perlite. I went to Agway today and nothing. I'll try a local greenhouse I heard about.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2268583 - 01/25/04 12:18 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

Agway sells it in small Bags near the peat. At least they do in my area. I even found a very large bag at one agway. I grabbed it


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #2270249 - 01/25/04 10:07 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

An alternative to vermiculite is EXACTLY what I'm testing.





Here's whole grain millet used with it (grow log in process)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Here's PF cakes using it (grow log in process).
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...sb=5&o=&fpart=1

...and I'm happy to report that the 2nd batch of growool PF cakes are all colonising with no contamination. It's not easy here in summer with the gnats and higher contam loads. Bad time of year for me, winter is a shit load better.

So yes, one can use growool instead of vermiculite in PF cakes, then crumble and then case in 100% coir -- thus one could grow free of vermiculite. The same too can be done with cased grain. Simply case the top in coir.

Now if one cases the top in growool (happy to report so far that it is mending) then one might have to cut the mushrooms off at the casing layer to avoid the glass fibers in final product.



I have an update to make in both grow logs (pictures taken) and will when I have the kbs.

So don't believe there's no such thing as an alternative to vermiculite. There is an alternative. Growool.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: Starter]
    #2270270 - 01/25/04 10:16 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Hey starter I don't know if you saw it or not but they have rockwool that is chopped into verm size pieces.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: Magash]
    #2270297 - 01/25/04 10:22 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

I haven't seen that product Magash, sounds interesting. Though the growool is sorta the same, as it's just loose fiber and not compressed to slabs.

What you speak about sounds some what similar to what I used to use to clone with. I'd get a slab of rockwool and cheese grater it and then load to NFT cups to strike in, more spaces means more air so root initials kick in faster. But making it was a rather "splintery" in the hands...the growool has less sharpy bits lol.


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Re: Alternative to Vermiculite? [Re: Starter]
    #2270317 - 01/25/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Ooops, I saw the word wool and just put the word rock in front of it. Just noticed myself that your using growool not "rock".

My bad.


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