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Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo?
    #2267028 - 01/24/04 12:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone tried using store bought poo to grow pan cyans? I'm wondering if it will be sufficient? Thanks!



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2267341 - 01/24/04 03:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see why not it works for cubes and they are grown the same way. The only way to find out is to give it a try and tell use aboute it. Why dont you use straw?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: fee]
    #2267398 - 01/24/04 03:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If I have enough spawn I will do experiments in straw, poo, and worm castings!




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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2267556 - 01/24/04 05:12 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

you should be fine with it does this store bought poo you got work for cubes? If so you are in the clear. I would do a mix of the poo and straw but the straw is deffinitly a go it will work as long as its wheat straw


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2278641 - 01/27/04 08:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yields are better then straight grain, but less then field picked cow manure or straw manure.

Straw by itself contaminates the easiest. Store bought poo contaminates easier then field picked manure.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: ]
    #2278687 - 01/27/04 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

why is this it makes no sense its all pasturized


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2278818 - 01/27/04 09:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i have grown pan cyans on scott's 3-n-1 compost. it grew very well.


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    #2278985 - 01/27/04 10:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2279383 - 01/28/04 12:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeh paw paw I was talking about the pf tek with poo recipe on the "growing other species than p. cubensis" section of the FAQ. I guess I should spawn that to scotts 3 in 1 like automan suggests. Any more thoughts on this fellas?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2279409 - 01/28/04 01:07 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

3 in 1 is less supperior than store bought poo but who know I havent tried any of this


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: fee]
    #2279420 - 01/28/04 01:12 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

What about worm castings? I got a buncha those?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2279425 - 01/28/04 01:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

dunno but I want some worm castings wanna trade spore for worm casings?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2279429 - 01/28/04 01:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i have never lost a scotts 3-n-1 bag to contams or non-fruiting. i mix equal amounts of compost and verm, then moisten to the right point and spawn with wbs or rye. it always works for me.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: automan]
    #2279433 - 01/28/04 01:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

awesome! thanks automan I'll have to give that a shot! should I try the worm poo for a comparison? Also do you sterilize the 3 in 1?



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    #2279448 - 01/28/04 01:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2279469 - 01/28/04 01:28 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well I'm not talking about casing, just making a bulk run from a few of those poo/verm/flour jars that I mentioned from the FAQ. Why is it so hard to get the jars to 100 percent if the poo is in there? Maybe we have a missunderstanding? Post dat link mate!


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2279668 - 01/28/04 03:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

double post.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2279669 - 01/28/04 03:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i do mine in filter patch bags.pans arent hard. they just take a little longer. i sterilize in the bags.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: fee]
    #2281577 - 01/28/04 07:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Some substrates are harder to pasteurize then others. The more undigested wood, the harder it is to pasteurize.

Mushrooms also have a prefrence for eating. They can become scavengers, but it takes a physiological change in the mushroom to feed on off substrates. This change weakens the mycelium.

Example. Cubensis can eat paper, but it eats manure more succesfully.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: automan]
    #2281631 - 01/28/04 08:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

How many flushes do you get, and what is your total yield per cup of substrate?

I have never had a store bought manure casing stop fruiting before it contaminates!!!

Ie I loose the casing before it is finished fruiting.

Don't get me wrong. I use hoffmans 1-1-1 all the time. It is readily available in my CITY, unlike COWS. But my yields are not the same as they were on COW pie based substrates.

Each flush yields less, and the amount of flushes is less with store bought.


I agree with what is being said though. Most problems associated with growing Copelandias is based on less then contaminant free spawn.

Larger jars with less substrate, and filter patches. Clean spores/mycelium. Proper temps for incubation will all increase the success rate, regardless of which frutiing substrate you choose. Substrate only becomes important after CLEAN SPAWN.

If it is contaminated before casing, it contaminates regardless of what you spawned to.


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    #2281720 - 01/28/04 08:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2281857 - 01/28/04 09:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Alounacara said:
Shit i just realized we are talking about Cyans...I have been talking about Copes


????  :confused: i've failed at pan cyans four times now (latest birdseed jars stalling as i write)..... but the terminology is right, innit?

i thought cyans = pan cyans = cope cyans = blue meanies
and that ps. cyans = no nickname.

someone clue me in, i'm lost. and why is it that i keep failing at growing panaeolus cyanascens?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: shirley knott]
    #2281906 - 01/28/04 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

To answer your second question, cats.


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    #2281926 - 01/28/04 10:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2281934 - 01/28/04 10:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

so can we use store bought poo to grow cyans or what and how hard are cyans to grow?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2282008 - 01/28/04 11:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i have tried the store bought stuff (hoffmans) and i felt their was something wrong with it. on pans, it seamed to work fine untill i left my fan on and they dried out. really my falt and not the poo, but they never seamed to grow robust. so i tried again with regular cubs and they grew about 1.5" tall and looked sick. only about 5 ever showed up be for i tost it. my thought is they put a fungisid in it.

ask your self this, if dung is so esaly contaminated then why is the bag not full of mold when you get it, or after it has been opened many times? fungicid? just my opinion. try 100% organic worm castings.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: fee]
    #2282015 - 01/28/04 11:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

here is what i did and it worked great.

i started pan cyans on mea. it grew even, so i transfered that to rye.

i put 8 cups of scotts 3-n-1 organic compost, 8 cups of verm, and 4 cups of water in a filter patch bag and pc'd for 1.5 hours at 15psi. (the amount of water you use varies by the amount of moisture in your compost.) i let it cool and spawned with 1 pint of colonized rye. incubated for 3 weeks. with cubies, they colonize in 7-9 days, but it took about twice as long with the pans.

after it was done, i poured the contents of 2 bags into a 16 gallon rubbermaid tote.  it took 2 weeks to recover and start to pin. the results werent as good as poo, but were adequate, none the less.

i cant give an estamate on dry or wet weight, because i just ate them as they came :smile:


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    #2282024 - 01/28/04 11:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2282255 - 01/29/04 12:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i've always had problems getting the pan cyans to colonize quarts, but with pints i never have a problem.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: shirley knott]
    #2286796 - 01/30/04 12:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Don't use so much substrate in your jars. 1 cup per quart jar pre cooking. Make sure you sterilize completely. Filter discs really help speed things up. Low temps can stall them out.

If you get clean jars of mycelium there should be no problems fruiting them, UNLESS YOUR TEMPS ARE TOO LOW, or YOUR CASING LAYER INTRODUCES CONTAMINANTS.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: Zapotecorum]
    #2286845 - 01/30/04 12:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The bags are contaminated.  We don't call it contamination until we are trying to selectively grow a single fungus, while inhibiting the other fungi.  The bags of shit from the store do have other organisms in it.  THAT is why you pasteurize/sterilize it before introducing your fungi.

There is no fungicide in the hoffmans product.  It works just fine to get up to three flushes or so, unless you are really lucky, or unlucky. If there were fungicide, it would have been a broad spectrum fungicide, and no fungi could even colonize it, let alone fruit on it.

Panaeolus/Copelandia have relatively weak mycelium.  It is easily contaminated.  The most agressive mycelium is the Hawaiian Strain.  It forms a dense colony by the time it matures the first flush.  But even that mycelium easily contaminates over time.  After harvesting the first flush, the mycelium gets weaker, and so on.

Most of my contaminants are introduced from the air, and they take hold of uncolonized casing soil, and then reak havoc across the surface.  Others are introduced along the shrinking border of the casing, and rapidly penetrate the colony.

The problem is it has WOOD in it.  Wood is easy to clean at the surface, but more difficult to clean completely through.  This means you can fully colonize the stuff, case it, and fruit it, BUT you may succomb to latent contaminants that were not completely removed, contaminants introduced with the casing soil, or from the air.  IT WORKS, but yields are reduced due to Less usuable nutrition to the fungi, and contamination problems. In a manure only substrate, there is now undigested wood, or debris.  There is very little substrate that is not colonized by the mycelium, so it is more difficult for the contaminats to take hold.

Store bought works, IT JUSt ISN"T IDEAL.
I still use it, and a 2 cup substrate casing can yield a dose or two, before contaminantion, IF THINGS GO WELL.

It's the Just exactly perfect brothers Casing :tongue:

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    #2287157 - 01/30/04 03:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the help everybody I decided to start on agar spawn to a few different substrate jars, as an experiment. the jars will be used to spawn worm castings and SBP, as another experiment. Any suggestions for substrate jars to test?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens in store bought poo? [Re: simplemachine]
    #2289216 - 01/31/04 08:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ive never had a problem growing pans on store bought manure - i prefer the real shit - but its a pain in the arse to collect :smile:


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