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Pastywhyte
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: insanemike]
#22653212 - 12/14/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Popcorn pros. Smells great. Grains change color allowing to see how well dispersed it is upon shaking or G2G.
Popcorn cons. Expensive (for me at least). Harder for heat to penetrate. Low knock points. Less nutrition per quart.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22653300 - 12/14/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Less nutrition means potentially less colonization time does it not?
I'm documenting all my grows by the way
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22653369 - 12/14/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Popcorn does colonize pretty fast. That's not really a good way to speed colonization times tho as yield suffers at the end.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22655864 - 12/14/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like popcorn. I used a lot if it when I first started growing. It works best when mixed with other grains like WBS. The large grain size helps keep your grain jars nice and loos for easy shaking. Popcorn will also absorb some excess moisture during the PC cycle. It give you some room for error with your grain prep. I've saved a few batches of badly burst WBS by mixing in some popcorn.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MudaFuka]
#22656819 - 12/14/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn Muda, that's a cool trick. I like it.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Director



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What is really nice is when you live right next to a popcorn farm (no kidding, a farm growing popcorn corn) and can get a 25kilo bag for the price of a brick of coir, or if you want to harvest it yourself: as much as you want free. Even once in a blue moon, you can find a popped kernel on a cob.
I too noticed that popcorn tends to soak up that little extra. It also gives some space for the sclerotia to work their "magic" more easily, and (At least I) have noticed the sclerotia tend to form their first knots fastest on pcorn.
The magic of growing mushrooms is they will try to grow with whatever you have, and you can keep experimenting without smelling up the entire neighborhood.
In the end I agree with both Muda and Pasty, but I still love me some popcorn. Just save some off to the side and some butter for your movie night while you PC those jars!
MajickMuffin: keep us updated (at least me please)
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Director]
#22660165 - 12/15/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn director, you should really check out the blackout method. You could potentially prepare SOOOOO much in one round, then bag it and PC it for like ~60 mins to sterilize the outside of the kernels.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Director



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Quote:
Machiavelliavore said: Damn director, you should really check out the blackout method. You could potentially prepare SOOOOO much in one round, then bag it and PC it for like ~60 mins to sterilize the outside of the kernels.
I'm looking up that method now, however I don't really have the urge to do a big grow. It is fun to grow these on your own for your personal use at most. HOWEVER, non-psychoactives would be a good thing to try on a large scale for a farm grow.
thanks for the suggestion, i'll keep looking.
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eatyualive
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Director]
#22684042 - 12/21/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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mycelia loves pcorn grain. its a little slower to colonize due to large kernal size. but i must say, oysters love it. and cubes as well. its a bit more work to prepare than normal grain like wbs or oats. also, its starchy. that is where most people fail. if you boil it an hour then lay it all flat out on a towel to soak up the extra starches. its real easy to work with. i had some issues with bad grain so i had to switch to the popcorn for a while. i will say at the time it was cost effective, but it can be expensive. depends on your location.
     
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Director



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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: eatyualive]
#22685551 - 12/22/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: mycelia loves pcorn grain. its a little slower to colonize due to large kernal size. but i must say, oysters love it. and cubes as well. its a bit more work to prepare than normal grain like wbs or oats. also, its starchy. that is where most people fail. if you boil it an hour then lay it all flat out on a towel to soak up the extra starches. its real easy to work with. i had some issues with bad grain so i had to switch to the popcorn for a while. i will say at the time it was cost effective, but it can be expensive. depends on your location.
      
Not to resurrect an 8 hour old thread, but this is the reasoning why I went wih popcorn, just soak out that starch and it goes to town on your edibles.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Director]
#22685612 - 12/22/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP:
Popcorn has worked well for me in the past. The most important thing is to soak for at least 24hrs before you boil. Popcorn has produced nice flushes for me in the past. I am not sure were it stand against grain on a nutritional level. But the more kernel per volume of a rye or oat jar is higher than popcorn. This is what everyone means by more inoculation points. The grains are larger so they take up more room meaning less individual kernels and more space between the grains=less overall mycelium.
If you have a 30lb bag! Hells Yar PC the shit out of it and keep us posted.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Sockadin]
#22685757 - 12/22/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im a rye guy. I get about 100lbs every other month.
50lb bags of popcorn are actually quite cheaper than rye for me, but if I wanted cheap spawn Id go with bird seed.
I think that's the main reason popcorn fell out of favor around here, WBS is cheaper and probably better to work with
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Sockadin]
#22686037 - 12/22/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sockadin said: OP:
Popcorn has worked well for me in the past. The most important thing is to soak for at least 24hrs before you boil. Popcorn has produced nice flushes for me in the past. I am not sure were it stand against grain on a nutritional level. But the more kernel per volume of a rye or oat jar is higher than popcorn. This is what everyone means by more inoculation points. The grains are larger so they take up more room meaning less individual kernels and more space between the grains=less overall mycelium.
If you have a 30lb bag! Hells Yar PC the shit out of it and keep us posted.
I definitely understand what people are saying about 'less mycelium'. But the 1 successful grow that I have done with popcorn grain has proven the opposite. The space in between grains were Filled with mycelium, (cubensis), as if there was no empty space at all. No less mycelium. But I don't know how often that happens
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22686089 - 12/22/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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It has less to do with the myc in the "spaces" as that will all contract. It's about grain surface area. Popcorn has the least.
Popcorn can work, I did a few grows with it myself. You can get good results with it. But for me and most people, it's far more expensive and harder to hydrate and sterilize properly than grains like rye wbs or oats.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22686311 - 12/22/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard a couple people mention soaking in water prior to boiling because of a lot of starches. What is any negative impact of starch? Because I did not soak before boiling
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22686354 - 12/22/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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People soak to soften the endospores and hydrate the grains. Popcorns large grain size has an insular effect which means you want softer endospores and longer PC times in general to achive an effective cycle.
Personally I had good results with just PCing the popcorn to hydrate. Then pull out hot, strain and jar and back into the PC.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22686478 - 12/22/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I actually find popcorn to be one of the easiest grain to prep. Just boil the shit out of it until the outer skin splits open, strain and load. If it was cheaper id probably use it more often.
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woofwoof
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#25743799 - 01/14/19 02:48 PM (5 years, 14 days ago) |
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I wanted to use a fairly small amount, enough to do one G2G transfer, then spread it out in normal quarts after. Is this advised??
Using a tiny amount in order to just colonize fast? I'll be using MS spore syringe to noc up the corn jar with about enough grain to G2G one singe jar, then ramp up after that.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: woofwoof]
#25743803 - 01/14/19 02:53 PM (5 years, 14 days ago) |
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Eat your popcorn and buy a sack of oats, come over to the oat side...
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woofwoof
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: woofwoof]
#25743805 - 01/14/19 02:54 PM (5 years, 14 days ago) |
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I will also be pressure cooking the grain
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