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MajickMuffin
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Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks?
#22651663 - 12/13/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone have experience with Popcorn grain?
I have 30 pounds of it. Just made 5 bags of Popcorn grain boiled with Gypsum.
Pros and Cons? Any insight or experiences to give me?
I also made 15 bags of Popcorn grain 25%, Oak 75% and Gypsum.
5/5/5 bags of Popcorn/Oak are; Golden Oyster, King Oyster, Shitakke.
5 bags of Popcorn Grain/Gypsum are; Pearl Oyster.
I'm going to be using Popcorn Grain all the fucking time because I have a ton of it.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22651745 - 12/13/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I was just guessing, it would be that corn offers virtually no nutrition. I know low nutrition is the aim during the initial germination phase but I hypothesize the corn is so low nutrition that the fruits produced by colonized corn are generally lower in mass.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
#22651754 - 12/13/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't say it sucks i really like the look and prep of popcorn the price for me sux although I didn't try very hard to source it the biggest downfall i see is being a very large grain you get fewer innoc points
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Mycologist217]
#22651773 - 12/13/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nutrition is probably a factor.
Which is why when I boiled the Corn to prepare it I added a shit ton of Gypsum.
And I plan to Spawn it to other things.
I just figured it would colonize quickly.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: tetherface]
#22651777 - 12/13/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly I don't see any difference in inoculation points.
When you inoculate, it falls down onto whatever it touches either way.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22651882 - 12/13/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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large endospore counts huge grains less inoc points, you will have probably 3 x the amount of mycelium in a qt of rye then a qt of popcorn
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: cronicr]
#22651910 - 12/13/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Endospore count doesn't matter when you PC at 15psi for 120 minutes does it? Lol.
Thanks for input cronicr
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22651914 - 12/13/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes and no
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: cronicr]
#22651931 - 12/13/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there still a survival chance of Endospores through PC ?
I mean you hard boil Popcorn grains for like 30mins before PC anyways...
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: cronicr]
#22651953 - 12/13/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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At least with cracked corn, I've read a few posts from users that could not get the endospore count down enough from a single PC run.
In the future, try adding some bran. I think the cellulose fiber is most likely what the corn lacks nutritionally, and it adds lots of noc points.
The mycellial volume is also quite low.
Might check out that blackout method of microwaving then dumping into boiling water in the PC with no jars. Then you put it in containers for one quick final sterilization on the outside.
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The smaller the grain the more surface are for the fungus. It might take longer to (chew) so longer isolation time maybe.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#22652089 - 12/13/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Popcorn gets a bad rep because of its size but I've spawned plenty of popcorn to bulk with lots of success. As far as endospores go, it cannot possibly have a load anywhere near what animal feed grade grain carries. As far as nutrition goes, it is higher in carbs and particularly high in starch which gives a slightly lower protein content but I doubt that is a make or break aspect of grain spawn. Last, when using popcorn, make sure that the hull splits on at least 15-20% percent of the kernels before taking it off the heat. The rest will split in the pc cycle.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: insanemike]
#22652111 - 12/13/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's how I cook it 
Thanks for your experience friend, that gives me a bit more hope
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22652125 - 12/13/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: insanemike]
#22652416 - 12/13/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've always had great success with popcorn. It was my first bulk substrate, spawned to coir. I was able to get a very good yield that would be about 10 wet grams less than I get with rye berries.
Like insanemike, I PC after soaking to allow approx 15%-20% of the hulls to crack so the PC would do it's job. I soaked for 24 hours to allow endospores to grow and then PC it for 120 min + @15psi.
So I find the price of popcorn makes it worth it for me when I want a fast colonization to spread over to other grains, or as a starting point for an LC.
I find it really easy to do an LC with popcorn due to the large surface area per individual grain.
So in the end, to each their own. YMMV.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: Director]
#22652510 - 12/14/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to use popcorn for GLC. It does really well in that area. But that's about it.
I would bet that if you do a side by side grow using popcorn in one sub, and WBS in the other you would see the difference first hand.
When someone is dead set on an idea , its hard to sway them otherwise. I encourage you to discover the difference on your own.
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insanemike
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It's not always about BE. Sometimes it's about availability, ease of use and cost.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: insanemike]
#22652662 - 12/14/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
insanemike said: It's not always about BE. Sometimes it's about availability, ease of use and cost.
popcorn here for me is not cheap at all...rye is though
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A new pet store opened in town , and they have a shit ton variety of WBS , I'm going to use it and experiment with it.
But I have 30 pounds of corn sitting in a box. Lol. It was cheap and avaliable.
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Re: Why do people say Popcorn Grain sucks? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22653105 - 12/14/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Might as well use up the popcorn first.
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