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question about rat diet
    #2254305 - 01/19/04 11:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay so for school Im doing an experiment with rats. I have 6 rats as a control and three groups of rats that are not controls. The control rats are being fed a diet based on egg whites that should provide them with all essential nutrients. The other rats are being fed a soy based diet. The egg white rats look like shit, they are losing hair, lethargic, just shitty health. THe soy rats arent doing great but they are doing much better than the control rats. Does anyone have any idea why this might be happening?


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254312 - 01/19/04 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

because egg whites have almost nothing but protein and soy is the same?


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254376 - 01/19/04 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what's the reason behind this experiment...eggs and soy are almost all protein...very little fat or carbohydrates...so i was just wondering why you were starving your rats? and i hope this isn't a school project it's just sorta not nice. i sure wouldn't want to live off egg whites.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: llamaboy]
    #2254447 - 01/19/04 11:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The control rats are being fed supplements along with the egg whites. THe egg whites are meant to be a complete source of protein. I am looking at nutrient deficienies in the rats.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254452 - 01/19/04 11:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

then they still get no energy... egg whites + supplements is still no fat


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254462 - 01/19/04 11:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well I think I found the answer to my problem:
http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/6/biotin.htm

apparently since I am using spray dried egg whites, the avidin wasn't denatured and therefore the biotin uptake was negligible. I'll give the rats Biotin tommorrow and let you guys know if there is any improvement in their health. I'll probably have to inject it into their gut which I hate to do just because I like the little critters and hate needles.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254465 - 01/19/04 11:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

uhhhhh

are you a... umm.. qualified vet or something?

poor rats..

just feed em some food


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: ]
    #2254467 - 01/19/04 11:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Proteins provide energy approximately 3.8 Kcal per gram


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: ]
    #2254470 - 01/19/04 11:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No Im not a qualified vet. I hate working with animals. If I ate them that would be a different story. I feel bad for the rats. But I have to do it for school :frown:


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: ]
    #2254476 - 01/19/04 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My experiment has obviously been blown so there really isn't any point of continuining it. I'm still going to see if supplementing them with biotin helps, but after that they get fed normal food.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2254582 - 01/20/04 12:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

exactly what were you trying to prove/disprove? what kind of proteine defficiancy were you looking into? if you were using artificle nutrients for one group, why not just feed them regular food? the point of a control is to keep things normal...eggwhites and biotin are hardly acceptable. it sounds like you trying to do two things at once.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2256720 - 01/20/04 06:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have two rats called cheech and chong and they are really cool. I really hate when people are doing useless experiments. What you do has been done before most likely, a useless waste with life and what your feeding them is torture. FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!! If I had a teacher that told me to abuse animals I would smack him right in the nose.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: shriek]
    #2261030 - 01/21/04 10:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cause they are not getting a balanced diet silly...


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2261285 - 01/21/04 11:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well if I only ate meat for a long time, I'd go through ketosis and lose a lot of my fat and lose weight. Then my kidneys would be under a lot of strain, and then awful things will happen because of vitamin deficiencies.

Yes protein can be used as an energy source, but a rat needs more than just energy. I blame the lack of vitamins and minerals.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: daussaulit]
    #2263969 - 01/22/04 10:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The rats were supplemented with all the neccessary vitamins and mineraly. The eggs where just their source of protein. I gave the rats biotin, and they are running at 100% now. scampering about just looking very healthy. I was amazed at how fast the improvement was. The rats are now being fed normal food, but may be subject to other experiments which I will have nothing to do with.


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Re: question about rat diet [Re: daussaulit]
    #2263973 - 01/22/04 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think ketosis is such a bad thing. Lack of carbs causes it, but the brain then can utilize EFA's instead.


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