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Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation
#22635118 - 12/09/15 05:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I am a complete noob about to undertake a simultaneous cube and oyster grow. I tried to create a method that follows the appropriate procedures, but has enough crossover materials for both grows to limit time and money. I have been doing light research for years, heavy research for weeks, and have gotten some important questions answered in the day or 2 I’ve been an active member. I am a very thorough and frugal human being so before I go out and buy this stuff I have made a list of materials and procedures that I will be undertaking during the next few months on my first grow experiences. If there are any discrepancies in my list of to-dos then please don’t hesitate to let me know, and tell me what you think!
From scratch List of Materials and Procedures for Cube Grow and Oyster Grow
Agar:
Cube: -10cc cube syringe
Oyster: -10cc oyster syringe
Both: -1 pack of Glad mini rounds -micro pore tape -a drill with a 1/4" bit or very hot nail -paper towels -Foil -Agar agar -Potato flakes -Karo or Honey -Coffee grinder -8 qt PC
Process:
*For agar production I will be following the Easy Agar Tek via PastyWhyte*
After my Glad-official makeshift petri dishes are conceived and set, I will have to inoculate the Agar via my cube and oyster spore syringes. This is the part I am having some trouble with. Do I just poke through the pore tape and squirt some spore culture onto the dish? Is that about it? I found something about creating a loop, but it was uninformative and didn’t help me. If anyone can reference a tek or give some insight about this process it would be a great help.
Spawn:
Both: -My agar cube and oyster wedges -Grain (WBS) -cutting tool -open flame -ISO alcohol -SAB -Surgical grade latex -mason jars (size TBD) -8 qt PC
Process:
*I will follow the exact steps via SpitballJedi for the prep of my WBS grain*
Following basic instinct and some youtube teks, my plan of action for transfer of my agar to my grain jars is as such: 1. Set up my SAB with my agar and jars of WBS after complete sterilization 2. Have exacto knife with new blades ready and tea light lit inside SAB for sterilization after every new agar 3. Cut wedges (size tbd by jars) and insert into jars all via use of the sterile exacto. 4. Shake jars and let set until 100% colonized, and then 7-10 days after that (not sure if this is only for cakes so if not please lmk)
Spawn to Substrate:
***This part is least researched by me so far because it will be at least a month or 2 in the future, but this is my general plan based on my agar and spawn needs.
Cube: -Verm -64 qt monotub -Fan -Spawn jars previously created
I will be following again SpitballJedis instructions on how to make and set up my FC monotub. As you can gather by this point, I will be attempting a spawn to bulk grow for my cubes. My bulk substrate being dry verm, I will mix in my completed mycelium rich (hopefully lol) grain that I worked so hard for the previous month with the verm at a depth of a few finger heights in my tub. This is the part that will give me the most anxiety, because during the winter I am just hoping I can find a temperate enough environment for my FC to reside for the next few weeks.
And hopefully after this I can come out with a quarter-way decent yield, take the print of my best cubes, scrape into some new agar dishes, and start again!
Oyster: -Plastic bags -Healthy mushroom spawn -Alcohol or bleach to sterilize surfaces that contact mushroom substrate or spawn -sterile table to lay out the straw -Powdered gypsum -Straw
I will be following Green Mountain Myco Systems tek for a oyster hobby bag grow.
Basically I will be sterilizing my straw, laying it out to cool off flat on a sterile surface, then mixing the spawn I made with WBS and the gypsum in with the straw, and transferring to a plastic bag. I will proceed to punch holes 4” apart and let the bag sit in a dry sterile spot for about a week or so for colonization of the straw substrate. After colonization is complete I will put the bag into a more humid and controlled environment, giving it moisture when needed to the oysters can form on the outside of the bag. (Hopefully)
Spore Print. Scrape to agar. Repeat.
Please let me know if you have any issues or comments about my process. This is my last stop before truly embarking on this cultivation journey, so any and all help/crit is needed!!
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635136 - 12/09/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Groo (12/09/15 05:57 PM)
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22635167 - 12/09/15 05:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm assuming that was a compliment But I assure you I am just a noob who's done his thinking and research.
I was debating the use of a smaller PC over in Getting Started. The reason for the small one is because I found a once-used 8 qt presto on craigslist for 20 bucks. Now to me, the saving of $50+ dollars is worth it. I can deal with the extra cooks for the same quantity of product for my first couple tries at this, and if I find this is something that I intend to keep up I will invest the 70 for an upgraded PC.
I already have an exact blade with 100 well kept blades. Will that not be good enough while sterilizing between cuts with the tealight?
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Edited by SloppyJoseph (12/09/15 05:59 PM)
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635201 - 12/09/15 06:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is a lot of stuff you can trim out if you are as frugal as you claim. You dont want to bang rocks together to light an alcohol lamp. I would whittle down my list a lot and do more with less. You don't have to impress the mycellium with an All American Pressure cooker. But buy bigger than 8qt. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000RNH7PQ/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1449709310&sr=8-1&keywords=22qt+pressure+cooker&condition=new 60$
I run my mirrors in 1 year what most people do in a life time. Or did when I was commercially producing tek jar.
Not a noob is a huge compliment.
You are a knowledge pro but experience nub.
Edited by Groo (12/09/15 06:05 PM)
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22635299 - 12/09/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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you need two entirely different fruiting environments. cubes fruit relatively low fae. while the oysters needs almost open air to fruit properly. and oysters are really easy. you can fruit them on newspaper and recycled mulch.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22635321 - 12/09/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well thanks man I tried to know what I was talking about before I even considered attempting.
But yeah as frugal as you think I am describing myself, you can probably x5. If I can cut out anything please elaborate. pretty much everything for the agar I will be purchasing at the dollar store, except the agar.
so right now i've got my budget looking like this:
Agar 7-12$ PC 8qt 20$ Verm 10$ Mason jars 10-15$ 50-64 qt tub 40$ powdered gypsum 7$ dollar store essentials 16$ straw ???
so right now i'm looking at over 100$ and i wanted to keep it under that. buying that upgraded PC would put me way over where i wanted to be.
oh and edit not to mention the 30$ on my spores.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: eatyualive]
#22635339 - 12/09/15 06:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: you need two entirely different fruiting environments. cubes fruit relatively low fae. while the oysters needs almost open air to fruit properly. and oysters are really easy. you can fruit them on newspaper and recycled mulch.

Yeah that's why I was going to get a large monotub for my cube FC and my oyster bags I was just going to try and find somewhere cheaper to put them, like a box or something cause I am to understand they are more resilient
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635348 - 12/09/15 06:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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for oysters. once you have spawn ready. save your grocery store plastic bags after you go shopping.(free)
drive by the side of the road with one of those areas that has all the free newspaper ads, penny saver, local happenings ect. (free newspaper)
boom done. you can grow oysters.
also, you can buy a 5$ bag of mulch and they fruit well off of it. and they have organic mulch at home depot for less than 5 bucks. one giant bag will last a while. oysters grow off of anything.
check it out.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10833031
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: eatyualive]
#22635363 - 12/09/15 06:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: for oysters. once you have spawn ready. save your grocery store plastic bags after you go shopping.(free)
drive by the side of the road with one of those areas that has all the free newspaper ads, penny saver, local happenings ect. (free newspaper)
boom done. you can grow oysters.
also, you can buy a 5$ bag of mulch and they fruit well off of it. and they have organic mulch at home depot for less than 5 bucks. one giant bag will last a while. oysters grow off of anything.
check it out.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10833031
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280
wow that is so much better than finding straw, sterilizing it, and mixing it with bird seed (which i was worried about because straw and birdseed won't make a homogeneous mix.)
that's awesome man thank you for the link
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635372 - 12/09/15 06:39 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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for yield straw is your best bet. ive seen some awesome oyster farms that use recycled cotton waste in the midwest. but for personal, mulch and newspaper work fine. also, the newspaper ink is made of some type of plant material.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635387 - 12/09/15 06:41 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes my suggestion stands. The larges pc is a superstar. If I was a millionaire, Id gift you one randomly. Worth it to save more money than to use an 8qt. I have a stainless 8q I use when I am making food for consumotion but. Considering putting jars inside the ss one I laugh myself all the way to the mirro my father in law gave me 4 free. then I thank goodness for large ass PC
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: eatyualive]
#22635409 - 12/09/15 06:44 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The oysters I am not as worried about yield as the cubes. Thats definitely more personal and if it works with minimal effort that is ideal, where as the cubes I am trying to get the best result I can possibly achieve with my method.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22635577 - 12/09/15 07:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Groo said: Yes my suggestion stands. The larges pc is a superstar. If I was a millionaire, Id gift you one randomly. Worth it to save more money than to use an 8qt. I have a stainless 8q I use when I am making food for consumotion but. Considering putting jars inside the ss one I laugh myself all the way to the mirro my father in law gave me 4 free. then I thank goodness for large ass PC
see though you got yours for free lol. It is a great deal but i really want to make sure i can handle this before committing to an item 50$ over the original budget.
you said you commercially sold sterile jars? how much would a dozen sterile grain jars run usually?
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22635973 - 12/09/15 08:41 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was getting from 65-80 90 fo2 pf tek. ? There is a guy that gets $60 for 12. It is just too much work for so little money
Grain jars 37 for 3 quart rye berties
. I got burned out after 2 months amking brf cakes every or every other night. The jars are expensive shipping is expensive, Customers blame things that are not your fault. They think they are right you think you`re right. Hard to make customers happy when you are relying on their ability to do science/mycology..
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22636012 - 12/09/15 08:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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55 or 60 for 6.
100 for 12. Lot of hard work huge risk, I make more money less riskyily and less work. Making holes and pouring and mixing and cooking and lifting and pouring. ended to 10-16 per hour. Sometimes i got 3o r 4 jars i had to stay up till 3 or 4 to finish... Real pain.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22636027 - 12/09/15 08:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting. Yeah well for that price i can get that PC for 60 and 12 jars for 15 and basically spend the same and have my own large PC.
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22636062 - 12/09/15 08:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just like you can but 100-300 dollars in tools and save 2000 on getting your car fixed... But you had to learn to be a mechanic and fix it with your hands and your time.
Yep. Where You plan to get your pc? and how much it be?
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22636105 - 12/09/15 09:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats the kind of person I am. My side view mirror has been busted off both sides of my car. The first time I brought it to 3 mechanics and they said it was bust and I needed a new mirror. Took it apart myself and put the plate back together that snapped for the cost of a tube of rubber cement and they both look like they never came off. I don't like spending money when I can do it myself.
kinda why i wanna grow cubes
But the 8 qt pc i found on craigslist. still has the box and apparently was used only once. 20 bucks
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#22636147 - 12/09/15 09:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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the misso qq is only 40$ more. Free shipping included. Also you may not ba able to pc a single quart jar
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6642601#6642601
Either way. Its like you wanting to take your tiers off your car with a 3/8 inch drive ratchet. Sure it MIGHT WORK... The 23 quart mirro is the 3 ft 1/2 breaker bar...
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Re: Simultaneous Oyster/Cube Cultivation [Re: Groo]
#22636179 - 12/09/15 09:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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the car analogies doh
so how many qt jars fit in this mirro? cause i can fit 2 in the 8 qt presto and i really only need 8 jars to start my grow so thats not bad.
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