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OCD worry about neurotoxicity
    #22630529 - 12/08/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,

I suffer from OCD and my last obsession is about potential neutoxic damage. Years ago I smoked some stuff and I only found out later it was the highly toxic substance methamphetamine. I was young at the time (19) and it was only 2 years later I came across a page on the Internet saying it's highly toxic to dopaminergic and serotonergic neurons. I don't know the dose I took, but effects felt mild,only mild euphoria. I didn't inhale much but I was still very worried so I went to a neurologist. He suggested an MRI to put me at ease and MRI was normal, but I'm not sure if I had damage it would be visible on MRI. I want a PET scan to check for SERT/DAT availibility, but it's very expensive. Should I really be worried about neurotoxicity or is this just OCD fucking me up?

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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22630546 - 12/08/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ocd. ur fine dude.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22630548 - 12/08/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure that I have OCD, but I do have some mild symptoms and one of them is obsessing over things like this too - the most recent one for me was skin cancer. I know that feel, bro.


While I do think your fears are valid about the neurotoxicity of meth, I think that as long as you didn't use it over extended periods, you should be fine and it's probably okay to take a breath and put it to rest for now.

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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22630555 - 12/08/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i have OCD and my current paranoid obsession is the health of my spine, i keep imagining that i have pain, i have a big fear of loosing my muscle mass since i worked so hard to achieve it i get so scared i might not be able to keep it, but as far as i know my spine is in good health, going to make sure i visit the chiropractor tmw.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: happyshroomer123] * 3
    #22630567 - 12/08/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Your entire life is ruined because several years ago you took a threshold dose of methamphetamine man. Just kidding.

Alright, so listen up. This is coming from someone who used to have pretty severe OCD as well.

I think you know that there's nothing to be worried about, but if you don't, you should. So now that you know that, I'm gonna ask you to listen to this small set of instructions to beating OCD-style thought patterns.

As soon as you start to have a thought about meth nuerotoxicity or whatever, immediately acknowledge and recognize it as being a symptom of OCD, rather than a logical thought which is rooted in reality. Consciously think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and realize that it is not a part of your regular self. After acknowledging the fact that the thought is only OCD, you should redirect your thoughts elsewhere. Distract yourself with something. Perform some sort of activity. Engage in a conversation with someone, go for a hike, play some video games, and pay full and thorough attention to whatever it is that you're doing.

Whenever the OCD thoughts come back to you, repeat the process. Immediately think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and immerse yourself in some sort of other activity - pushing the thoughts out of your head as quick as you can.

You're not gonna see much progress for a while. This will go on for days, you're gonna be saying "it's only OCD" in your head on hundreds of occasions, and it will feel like it's only barely starting to work. But don't fret, and keep at it. You'll notice throughout the weeks that the prevalence of the thoughts will diminish, and you will be able to live your life more smoothly and with less internal distraction. Keep at it, don't stop. You won't notice it happening as it does, but throughout the next several months, the OCD will drastically lose it's power in your mind, as long as you stick to this mental regimen of acknowledging the OCD, redirecting your thoughts elsewhere, and distracting yourself. A gradual, elongated process, which may seem impossible at times, but if stuck to will eventually wind up with you looking back one day and saying "hey, I don't have OCD anymore. Awesome."

This is a pretty common technique, and a form of cognitive behavioral therapy, which takes advantage of the brains wonderful nueroplasticity and ability to change and adapt throughout time. It takes a lot of persistence and hard work, you're gonna feel like your mind constantly has an itch that needs to be scratched (the itch being OCD, and the urge to give into the thoughts being the metaphorical scratching), but as long as you stick to this process of keeping yourself involved with activities to the point where the OCD remains at bay, it will eventually lose all of it's power over you and become entirely non-existent. It worked for me, and it's worked for thousands of other people before. OCD is not an incurable or permanent disorder. You can beat this, and live a long life free of these obsessive thought patterns, it's amazing the things that the human mind is capable of.

Good luck.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: Sheekle]
    #22630693 - 12/08/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

HOCD is the hardest bitch to deal with in ocd, that shit fucks you up hard, I.e Fear of being homosexual, or a homosexual fearing of being straight.

sooner or later i found a way to contradict that worry by saying to myself "if it is this easy to turn me gay i.e if a thought or worry about it is enough to cause that, then rest assured once i turn gay i'll have a thought or worry about being straight and il be back to square one so all is good." :lol:

there are a lot of worries that follow that same pattern in which i use a similar contradiction to drop the anxiety. its been working for me so far :smile:


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: SleepyE]
    #22630736 - 12/08/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It literally takes so much meth to OD or even come close to neuro-toxicity. Most information about drugs you find on the internet and heralded by the mass media is all scare tactics.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #22630809 - 12/08/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
Your entire life is ruined because several years ago you took a threshold dose of methamphetamine man. Just kidding.

Alright, so listen up. This is coming from someone who used to have pretty severe OCD as well.

I think you know that there's nothing to be worried about, but if you don't, you should. So now that you know that, I'm gonna ask you to listen to this small set of instructions to beating OCD-style thought patterns.

As soon as you start to have a thought about meth nuerotoxicity or whatever, immediately acknowledge and recognize it as being a symptom of OCD, rather than a logical thought which is rooted in reality. Consciously think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and realize that it is not a part of your regular self. After acknowledging the fact that the thought is only OCD, you should redirect your thoughts elsewhere. Distract yourself with something. Perform some sort of activity. Engage in a conversation with someone, go for a hike, play some video games, and pay full and thorough attention to whatever it is that you're doing.

Whenever the OCD thoughts come back to you, repeat the process. Immediately think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and immerse yourself in some sort of other activity - pushing the thoughts out of your head as quick as you can.

You're not gonna see much progress for a while. This will go on for days, you're gonna be saying "it's only OCD" in your head on hundreds of occasions, and it will feel like it's only barely starting to work. But don't fret, and keep at it. You'll notice throughout the weeks that the prevalence of the thoughts will diminish, and you will be able to live your life more smoothly and with less internal distraction. Keep at it, don't stop. You won't notice it happening as it does, but throughout the next several months, the OCD will drastically lose it's power in your mind, as long as you stick to this mental regimen of acknowledging the OCD, redirecting your thoughts elsewhere, and distracting yourself. A gradual, elongated process, which may seem impossible at times, but if stuck to will eventually wind up with you looking back one day and saying "hey, I don't have OCD anymore. Awesome."

This is a pretty common technique, and a form of cognitive behavioral therapy, which takes advantage of the brains wonderful nueroplasticity and ability to change and adapt throughout time. It takes a lot of persistence and hard work, you're gonna feel like your mind constantly has an itch that needs to be scratched (the itch being OCD, and the urge to give into the thoughts being the metaphorical scratching), but as long as you stick to this process of keeping yourself involved with activities to the point where the OCD remains at bay, it will eventually lose all of it's power over you and become entirely non-existent. It worked for me, and it's worked for thousands of other people before. OCD is not an incurable or permanent disorder. You can beat this, and live a long life free of these obsessive thought patterns, it's amazing the things that the human mind is capable of.

Good luck.




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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22630810 - 12/08/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

cbthrt


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: Sheekle]
    #22630814 - 12/08/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: Sheekle]
    #22630883 - 12/08/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
Your entire life is ruined because several years ago you took a threshold dose of methamphetamine man. Just kidding.

Alright, so listen up. This is coming from someone who used to have pretty severe OCD as well.

I think you know that there's nothing to be worried about, but if you don't, you should. So now that you know that, I'm gonna ask you to listen to this small set of instructions to beating OCD-style thought patterns.

As soon as you start to have a thought about meth nuerotoxicity or whatever, immediately acknowledge and recognize it as being a symptom of OCD, rather than a logical thought which is rooted in reality. Consciously think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and realize that it is not a part of your regular self. After acknowledging the fact that the thought is only OCD, you should redirect your thoughts elsewhere. Distract yourself with something. Perform some sort of activity. Engage in a conversation with someone, go for a hike, play some video games, and pay full and thorough attention to whatever it is that you're doing.

Whenever the OCD thoughts come back to you, repeat the process. Immediately think to yourself, "it's only OCD", and immerse yourself in some sort of other activity - pushing the thoughts out of your head as quick as you can.

You're not gonna see much progress for a while. This will go on for days, you're gonna be saying "it's only OCD" in your head on hundreds of occasions, and it will feel like it's only barely starting to work. But don't fret, and keep at it. You'll notice throughout the weeks that the prevalence of the thoughts will diminish, and you will be able to live your life more smoothly and with less internal distraction. Keep at it, don't stop. You won't notice it happening as it does, but throughout the next several months, the OCD will drastically lose it's power in your mind, as long as you stick to this mental regimen of acknowledging the OCD, redirecting your thoughts elsewhere, and distracting yourself. A gradual, elongated process, which may seem impossible at times, but if stuck to will eventually wind up with you looking back one day and saying "hey, I don't have OCD anymore. Awesome."

This is a pretty common technique, and a form of cognitive behavioral therapy, which takes advantage of the brains wonderful nueroplasticity and ability to change and adapt throughout time. It takes a lot of persistence and hard work, you're gonna feel like your mind constantly has an itch that needs to be scratched (the itch being OCD, and the urge to give into the thoughts being the metaphorical scratching), but as long as you stick to this process of keeping yourself involved with activities to the point where the OCD remains at bay, it will eventually lose all of it's power over you and become entirely non-existent. It worked for me, and it's worked for thousands of other people before. OCD is not an incurable or permanent disorder. You can beat this, and live a long life free of these obsessive thought patterns, it's amazing the things that the human mind is capable of.

Good luck.




Thanks I'll try this. I'm currently on Remeron/Mirtazapine but it only helps slightly and causes me to feel very sleepy all day.

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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22630912 - 12/08/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

by the way performing the compulsion necessary to temporarily relieve anxiety re-enforces the obsession. The actually pathway where this happens in the brain is apparently re-enforced with a protein everytime to you do it so the habit gets worse and worse.


if its a compulsion that must be performed over and over on the same worry for only a very temporary relief then its no good.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: SleepyE]
    #22630942 - 12/08/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With the power of jesus, you will overcome your meth addiction OP.


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Re: OCD worry about neurotoxicity [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22630943 - 12/08/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, people are drastically over-medicated these days. The medication isn't meant to cure anything, it's meant to make daily living more tolerable which makes it easier to get to the bottom of mental disorders. In my opinion at least, for a lot of cases. Sometimes meds are necessary and all but I think it's fucked how a lot of doctors just kinda give people meds and send them on their way.

If you went to a therapist who would help you get to the bottom of your OCD, they would suggest you do the cognitive behavioral thing I just mentioned more than likely, it seems to be the most effective way to get rid of OCD.

But yeah, definitely try it out, I hope it works out man. It helped me escape from the agonizing mental anguish of OCD.


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