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Offlinegoldcaphunter
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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #22625982 - 12/07/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Thanks guys, so the people who say its a big deal are trolling?

We dont want it back we just want it behind us.

And are you guys saying I should forfeit it formally or just ignore the letter and not reply?

Thanks for the replies everyone.




The people saying you're fucked are trolling/know nothing.
Ignore the letter.
Precipitating a response will just get you in the hot seat more.
Chances are if you ignore it they won't do anything.

Also on prepare don't worry; I wouldn't spend the money on a lawyer just yet...if at all. Worse case scenario as of now is you get another letter DEMANDING a response. If they really want to pursue you're wife they would have sent someone to the house...and I've only seen this happen with cases involving multiple attempts of large quantity...

I've had a bong seized that had residue in it and got a similar letter...ignored it...nothing came of it.

EDIT: there might actually be some sort of Canadian laws that protect from prosecution of another country while residing in Canada? Like international/foreign  affairs type of laws...


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #22626027 - 12/07/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks very much !

Yeah America doesn't have any autorotation to arrest a Canadian on Canadian soil unless it was some kind of terrorism case or something definitely not for a used vape.


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #22626113 - 12/07/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
You're fucked dude.

There is a paper trail back to your residency. The best you could do is have your wife start working out because she is gonna get indicted on federal charges.




:lolwut:

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.

Moonshoe, just ignore it. Nothing will come of it.. 99.999% chance.

And even if they did want to pursue it.. which they won't... I sincerely doubt they could do any shit to you in Canada.

Hell, I've gotten a similar letter before... and I live IN the states, ignored it and nothing ever came from it.

They probably just send that shit to scare people into incriminating themselves. Funny thing is it probably works a lot of the time.

"Yeah Customs?? You done seized my droogs.. I want them back now!" No problem sir just come to our nearest office

If they wanted to get you for something, they would be knocking/knocking down your front door, not sending a quasi-threatening letter. Here anyway.


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: Shroomism]
    #22626197 - 12/07/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see why you're freaking out. It seems all they asked for is permission to destroy it so they don't have to display your wife's name in public so she can then give permission to destroy it, and then just destroy it anyway.

You don't want the vape so I don't see the issue. They obviously don't give a fuck if they sent you that letter.

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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: The Moose]
    #22626321 - 12/07/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dun listen to shiithead lol

Honestly the whole thing has nothing to do with culpability on your end lol, has everything to do with the fact that they can't just throw peoples shit in the garbage without letting them know about it.

I wouldn't even just ignore the letter if you don't want to hear about it anymore, just call them back and tell them it's ok to chuck it in the garbage. The residue won't even be brought up I'm positive.


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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22627761 - 12/07/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for everyone who chipped in. Everyone said don't worry about it so we are chill now.

Thanks guys

:cheers:


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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22628030 - 12/07/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Be afraid. Be very afraid.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Shiithead]
    #22628396 - 12/08/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's 100 vape stores in my city, why are you ordering from the USA?

Edited by my3rdeye (12/08/15 12:44 AM)

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22628746 - 12/08/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

American customs won't go after Canadian citizens without Canada's go ahead. Not worth their time


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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22628991 - 12/08/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
They say we had the option of forfeit any claim or interest in it, in which case they will proceed with forfeiture proceedings, or do nothing in which case they will post my wifes name in a public place for 30 days and may then proceed with forfeiture proceedings.





what this means in simple english is:

ignore it and they'll file their paperwork to destroy it and you'll hear nothing
more or you can contest it, they'll publish your name in the news paper for 30
days as part of the legal process and then have a hearing in which you have the
possibility of winning in which you have to come down and claim your goods which
you then have to carry back across the border but it's unlikely you'd make it
out of the courthouse before being arrested for possession of controlled
substances and other charges


ignore it and you're fine. respond and things will be questionable

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22629270 - 12/08/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
American customs won't go after Canadian citizens without Canada's go ahead. Not worth their time




Unless it is worth their time.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Shiithead]
    #22629280 - 12/08/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

not for a vape pen its not :lol:


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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22629287 - 12/08/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Unless it is


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Shiithead]
    #22629385 - 12/08/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's something made by Grenco Science.

If any of their products are good for anything its either for sticking up their ass or exploding.

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Re: Legal question- American Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states from Canada [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22629408 - 12/08/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Prisoner#1 I really appreciate your answer.

This is the best thing you have ever done :hug:


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22629596 - 12/08/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like a bad vape anyway, just say you didn't send it.


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: KratKing]
    #22629698 - 12/08/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They are always trying to trick people into weaving a tighter web for themselves. If you say that it was yours "so they can destroy it," you've just made anything they might try to do way easier by admitting in official correspondence that it is your device.

It is highly unlikely that they would actually bother to do anything regardless of your response, but your best bet when dealing with anything like this is to tell them nothing, ever, no matter what.  If they continue to push the issue, get a lawyer.  If you don't want her name published, get a lawyer and ask them to handle it.

Do not ever, ever under any circumstances interact with any government or law enforcement agency by your self.  You always, always under ever case, say nothing whatsoever, and if that doesn't work you get a lawyer to interact for you.

Imagine an invisible barrier.  You cannot ever talk to them directly.  If it is worth talking about, you talk only through an intermediary.

Of course in this case there is a 99.99 percent chance if you do nothing they'll do nothing.  It is just in their nature to be lying, sneaky assholes that try to trick people into incriminating situations.  Even if they have no intention of ever following through (which I'm sure they don't), they just automatically try to get you to respond in ways that would incriminate your if they did decide to care.

A, do nothing (my vote)
B, let a lawyer handle it
C, there is no option C.  It doesn't actually exist as a resoanble choice since nobody in their right mind should interact directly with authorities in any even remotely touchy situation.


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #22629804 - 12/08/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

AllGreyThumbs said:
They are always trying to trick people into weaving a tighter web for themselves. If you say that it was yours "so they can destroy it," you've just made anything they might try to do way easier by admitting in official correspondence that it is your device.

It is highly unlikely that they would actually bother to do anything regardless of your response, but your best bet when dealing with anything like this is to tell them nothing, ever, no matter what.  If they continue to push the issue, get a lawyer.  If you don't want her name published, get a lawyer and ask them to handle it.

Do not ever, ever under any circumstances interact with any government or law enforcement agency by your self.  You always, always under ever case, say nothing whatsoever, and if that doesn't work you get a lawyer to interact for you.

Imagine an invisible barrier.  You cannot ever talk to them directly.  If it is worth talking about, you talk only through an intermediary.

Of course in this case there is a 99.99 percent chance if you do nothing they'll do nothing.  It is just in their nature to be lying, sneaky assholes that try to trick people into incriminating situations.  Even if they have no intention of ever following through (which I'm sure they don't), they just automatically try to get you to respond in ways that would incriminate your if they did decide to care.

A, do nothing (my vote)
B, let a lawyer handle it
C, there is no option C.  It doesn't actually exist as a resoanble choice since nobody in their right mind should interact directly with authorities in any even remotely touchy situation.




:whathesaid:

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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #22629997 - 12/08/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

AllGreyThumbs said:
They are always trying to trick people into weaving a tighter web for themselves. If you say that it was yours "so they can destroy it," you've just made anything they might try to do way easier by admitting in official correspondence that it is your device.

It is highly unlikely that they would actually bother to do anything regardless of your response, but your best bet when dealing with anything like this is to tell them nothing, ever, no matter what.  If they continue to push the issue, get a lawyer.  If you don't want her name published, get a lawyer and ask them to handle it.

Do not ever, ever under any circumstances interact with any government or law enforcement agency by your self.  You always, always under ever case, say nothing whatsoever, and if that doesn't work you get a lawyer to interact for you.

Imagine an invisible barrier.  You cannot ever talk to them directly.  If it is worth talking about, you talk only through an intermediary.

Of course in this case there is a 99.99 percent chance if you do nothing they'll do nothing.  It is just in their nature to be lying, sneaky assholes that try to trick people into incriminating situations.  Even if they have no intention of ever following through (which I'm sure they don't), they just automatically try to get you to respond in ways that would incriminate your if they did decide to care.

A, do nothing (my vote)
B, let a lawyer handle it
C, there is no option C.  It doesn't actually exist as a resoanble choice since nobody in their right mind should interact directly with authorities in any even remotely touchy situation.





Paranoid, any probably never took a law class.

Allowing them to THROW the damn thing out has nothing to do with criminal culpability and allowing them to do so in no way makes you admit a) that you knew there was THC residue on it OR b) used the device as paraphernalia

Go ahead and ignore it, it makes 0 difference but don't be surprised when down the line you get another phone call asking if they can throw the damn thing out yet.


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Re: Legal question- Customs seized a used vape we mailed to the states [Re: newrook]
    #22630014 - 12/08/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

omg u guys are still talking about this?

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