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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
    #23964941 - 12/29/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4067902/Seven-migrants-arrested-homeless-man-set-fire-Christmas-Eve-Berlin-subway-station.html

"Seven migrants have been arrested after a homeless man was set on fire on Christmas Eve at a Berlin subway station"

"The men, aged 15 to 21, are suspected of torching the victim as he slept on a platform bench at Schonleinstrabe station."

"Six of the suspects are Syrian and one is Lybian"

Well good thing it wasn't "terrorism", just migrants terrorizing innocent EU citizens. :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23964953 - 12/29/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Did the article spell Libyan wrong, or was that you?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
    #23964969 - 12/29/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

from your article:
Quote:

Al-Bakr had built 'a virtual bomb-making lab' in a flat in Chemnitz and was thought to have planned an attack against either one of Berlin's two airports or a transport hub in his home state of Saxony, security sources said.
Chemnitz was on lockdown for hours when police raided his flat but failed to seize him before he was captured by fellow Syrian nationals who tied him up and handed him over to the authorities.





I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23964994 - 12/29/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Did the article spell Libyan wrong, or was that you?




That would be on them, is that your only issue with this tragedy?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23965016 - 12/29/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
from your article:
Quote:

Al-Bakr had built 'a virtual bomb-making lab' in a flat in Chemnitz and was thought to have planned an attack against either one of Berlin's two airports or a transport hub in his home state of Saxony, security sources said.
Chemnitz was on lockdown for hours when police raided his flat but failed to seize him before he was captured by fellow Syrian nationals who tied him up and handed him over to the authorities.





I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.




Good job rationalizing the main issue here, burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the backlash go away.

I'm sure the far-right groups will take comfort that some bum in L.A. was also set on fire and will restrain themselves when the thought of self preservation enters their mindset.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #23965018 - 12/29/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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elax420 said:
This is a problem with liberalism that feeds into the fascist right. You completely discredit anything bad the immigrants do.

Any community is going to have rapists murders and thrives. 




People like Fal and Tip are here to convince people that radical Muslims inside of the EU are just a domestic police issue just like any other civilian policy.

He's going to try to rationalize all the African/Muslim gangs that physically and sexually assault EU citizens, he's going to ignore the terrorist acts, he's going to ignore the recruiting of more Muslims to join their radical groups, he's going to claim it poses NO threat to national security.

He's going to claim that it's hysteria and nothing more and it has NOTHING to do with them being Muslim/African, they're just people.

When the inevitable backlash occurs, he won't take any of the blame for promoting and marketing this "cultural diversity" like he did in the first place, it's all so typical.




You keep assigning positions to people that they haven't taken. It's getting really old, qman.

:smbfacepalm:

If you were open to actual discussion then you would show that you can listen to what other people say.



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23965021 - 12/29/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait... are you FOR or AGAINST ignoring the constitution???




Like progressives give a rats ass about the constitution

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23965031 - 12/29/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Tipote said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

elax420 said:
This is a problem with liberalism that feeds into the fascist right. You completely discredit anything bad the immigrants do.

Any community is going to have rapists murders and thrives. 




People like Fal and Tip are here to convince people that radical Muslims inside of the EU are just a domestic police issue just like any other civilian policy.

He's going to try to rationalize all the African/Muslim gangs that physically and sexually assault EU citizens, he's going to ignore the terrorist acts, he's going to ignore the recruiting of more Muslims to join their radical groups, he's going to claim it poses NO threat to national security.

He's going to claim that it's hysteria and nothing more and it has NOTHING to do with them being Muslim/African, they're just people.

When the inevitable backlash occurs, he won't take any of the blame for promoting and marketing this "cultural diversity" like he did in the first place, it's all so typical.




You keep assigning positions to people that they haven't taken. It's getting really old, qman.

:smbfacepalm:

If you were open to actual discussion then you would show that you can listen to what other people say.






I read Fal's post very closely, shall I point out where he states that radical Islamic groups are just "criminals"?  :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 4
    #23965054 - 12/29/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
from your article:
Quote:

Al-Bakr had built 'a virtual bomb-making lab' in a flat in Chemnitz and was thought to have planned an attack against either one of Berlin's two airports or a transport hub in his home state of Saxony, security sources said.
Chemnitz was on lockdown for hours when police raided his flat but failed to seize him before he was captured by fellow Syrian nationals who tied him up and handed him over to the authorities.





I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.




Good job rationalizing the main issue here, burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the backlash go away.

I'm sure the far-right groups will take comfort that some bum in L.A. was also set on fire and will restrain themselves when the thought of self preservation enters their mindset.




Encouraging rational thought is not "burying your head in the sand".
A rational person doesn't lump everyone in an ethnic group together because they had a bad experience once. (or read about one for that matter).
Example:
I was attacked in Mexico with a baseball bat while i was asleep.  With a lot of luck, (and a little kung-fu) I managed to escape with just some nasty cuts and a few lumps on my dome.  Just because a Mexican guy tried to hurt me once, doesn't mean that I hate Mexicans now.  In fact, a little rational thought leads to the conclusion that the same thing could have happened if I was asleep parked along PCH, or camping in Yosemite. The world is dangerous, and there are plenty of nasty characters out there in it, but they don't confine themselves to any particular ethnic group, there are plenty of assholes to go around.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23965097 - 12/29/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
from your article:
Quote:

Al-Bakr had built 'a virtual bomb-making lab' in a flat in Chemnitz and was thought to have planned an attack against either one of Berlin's two airports or a transport hub in his home state of Saxony, security sources said.
Chemnitz was on lockdown for hours when police raided his flat but failed to seize him before he was captured by fellow Syrian nationals who tied him up and handed him over to the authorities.





I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.




Good job rationalizing the main issue here, burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the backlash go away.

I'm sure the far-right groups will take comfort that some bum in L.A. was also set on fire and will restrain themselves when the thought of self preservation enters their mindset.




Encouraging rational thought is not "burying your head in the sand".
A rational person doesn't lump everyone in an ethnic group together because they had a bad experience once. (or read about one for that matter).
Example:
I was attacked in Mexico with a baseball bat while i was asleep.  With luck, (and a little kung-fu) I managed to escape with just some nasty cuts and a few lumps on my dome.  Just because a Mexican guy tried to hurt me once, doesn't mean that I hate Mexicans now.  In fact, a little rational thought leads to the conclusion that the same thing could have happened if I was asleep parked along PCH, or camping in Yosemite. The world is dangerous, and there are plenty of nasty characters out there in it, but they don't confine themselves to any particular ethnic group, there are plenty of assholes to go around.




Ball, no one is suggesting that random acts of violence don't occur and that the world isn't dangerous.

You're once again missing the main point here, this is about migrants who illegally entered the EU and causing harm to EU citizens. This is about their culture and ideology not functioning in Western societies.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #23965245 - 12/29/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

Tipote said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

elax420 said:
This is a problem with liberalism that feeds into the fascist right. You completely discredit anything bad the immigrants do.

Any community is going to have rapists murders and thrives. 




People like Fal and Tip are here to convince people that radical Muslims inside of the EU are just a domestic police issue just like any other civilian policy.

He's going to try to rationalize all the African/Muslim gangs that physically and sexually assault EU citizens, he's going to ignore the terrorist acts, he's going to ignore the recruiting of more Muslims to join their radical groups, he's going to claim it poses NO threat to national security.

He's going to claim that it's hysteria and nothing more and it has NOTHING to do with them being Muslim/African, they're just people.

When the inevitable backlash occurs, he won't take any of the blame for promoting and marketing this "cultural diversity" like he did in the first place, it's all so typical.




You keep assigning positions to people that they haven't taken. It's getting really old, qman.

:smbfacepalm:

If you were open to actual discussion then you would show that you can listen to what other people say.






I read Fal's post very closely, shall I point out where he states that radical Islamic groups are just "criminals"?  :facepalm:




and did you read your own post as closely? Looks like you snip your own posts too because I was not responding to one line in your post, it was the entirety of it.

I'm not just talking about these recent posts, you are consistently saying that I'm saying things that I am not.:facepalm:

when i try to explain that my position is not what you portray, you flat out ignore it and snip up my points.. and then go back to 'Tip thinks this or Tip thinks that'. lol but then you make out like we are leaping to conclusions in the same way by calling you an obvious racist when what you have said shows an obvious kind of psuedo-intellectually-underpinned racism :lol:


When I say politics radicalises some people of religious groups, I am labelled as justifying or condoning terrorism or blaming the poor white man 100% for everything in the world, ever. When you defend the rationale of the oncoming blood bath, what are you doing? And yet its always Tip who has blood on his hands for ....i forget. for what, qman? For thinking that we can (and DO) have ethnically-heterogenous societies?

If you showed an ounce of nuance, maybe we could get somewhere.. but you do not. You even ruin a more legitimate conservative perspective because even many conservatives can discern between extremists, and the harmless majority. Not only do you brand all Muslims as the same, you go further than that - you extend it to anyone who isn't of white european heritage.. and as an outsider to Europe who calls himself 100% Polish (:lmafo:) you spout all this nonsense without the sense of irony. Poles have been beaten and killed in the UK over Brexit, do you think your perception of the 'consensus' against the "muslim invaders" is accurate?? I thought all white European people have a shared culture and religion so they get along fine? (Thats me paraphrasing you)

What you do not get is that your rhetoric divides people on a vast scale, as though its a moral imperative.. and yet you dont seem to understand how that can lead to violence against the Other. I'm not saying don't criticise, I'm saying don't dehumanise. And actually fucking listen. How many more times will I see posts saying shit like 'Tip wants to fill Europe with his Muslims buddies' or 'Tip has no problem with the rape if its by Muslims'? It just makes me embarrassed for you as you are a man in his (mid?) 40s with a real problem in understanding other perspectives :facepalm3:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #23965275 - 12/29/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

qman, so your genetics are 85% eastern european and 15% what?

I've been keen to try one of those ancestry DNA tests, might be interesting. My grandmother always told me that we had Mayan blood :lol:. My uncle just did one and he turned out to have strong Scandinavian links. This wasn't news to us as he looks like this..



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #23965392 - 12/29/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
"Seven migrants have been arrested after a homeless man was set on fire on Christmas Eve at a Berlin subway station"

Well good thing it wasn't "terrorism", just migrants terrorizing innocent EU citizens. :facepalm:



:lolwut:
Why do you think this was a good thing?  Or was this yet ANOTHER straw man argument?  Every one of your arguments seems to be a straw man now, and even though you keep getting called out on it, you just keep it up.

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.



Good job rationalizing the main issue here, burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the backlash go away.



He's not the one burying his head in the sand - he's the one giving you the bigger picture.  It's YOU who is burying his head in the sand by trying to ignore the big picture.

He let you know that not all Muslims are terrorists (a fact that you and viktor don't like us to bring up because it hurts your racist view point), and he let you know that white people commit crimes too (a fact you blew off with another straw man argument).

Quote:

qman said:
I'm sure the far-right groups will take comfort that some bum in L.A. was also set on fire and will restrain themselves when the thought of self preservation enters their mindset.



Looks like Tip already busted you for this straw man fallacy.


Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Tipote said:
You keep assigning positions to people that they haven't taken. It's getting really old, qman.

:smbfacepalm:

If you were open to actual discussion then you would show that you can listen to what other people say.



I read Fal's post very closely, shall I point out where he states that radical Islamic groups are just "criminals"?  :facepalm:



No, I did not say "just criminals".  I said "criminals".  Another straw man for the new straw man king!



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #23965411 - 12/29/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"When you defend the rationale of the oncoming blood bath, what are you doing?"

I'm pointing out the obvious, if Muslims/Africans continue to destroy the social-economic fabric of the EU, the natives will revolt against them and the people that promoted this horrible policy in the first place.

"Tip who has blood on his hands for...I forget, for what?"

Playing dumb again?  Why is everyone saying that Merkel has blood on her hands?  Because she told the third world that the EU doors were open and to come in because it's going to be a great "cultural diversity" utopia, clearly this isn't the case today.

When someone continues to promote and market a policy that is destabilizing the entire EU, that makes them highly accountable for the negative factors that result from that bad policy.

You think the native populations should endure this invasion for what?  Because "it's the right thing to do"?  What do EU citizens get out of this policy?  More domestic crime, a horrible fiscal position at the expense of poor EU citizens, a significant compromise of national security and political instability.

"brand all Muslims as the same"

Now who's "saying things that I am not"?  I never made that statement, I said that many Muslims embrace a religion, culture and ideology that doesn't work in Western nations.

"Poles are been beaten and killed in the UK over Brexit"

In a few limited cases that is true, so what?  You're not trying to compare highly productive Poles working in the UK with Muslims and African that terrorize UK citizens? 

If the Poles living and working in the UK don't like it, they can return back to where they came from, if I was a UK citizen struggling economically I wouldn't want some foreign workers taking jobs and undercutting wages.

"your rhetoric divides people"

No, yours does because as soon as anyone even questions your "cultural diversity" goals, your first response is "racist, bigot, xenophobic,", that's more divisive than anything. You can thank the PC movement for dividing the US today and creating Trump.

"can lead to violence against the Other"

Like the days after Trump won the election and liberals took the streets and attacked people they disagreed with?  Or when Muslims/Africans physically and sexually attack innocent EU citizens because they don't believe in the same religion?

"It makes me embarrassed"

No, it makes me embarrassed that you live in such a delusion bubble that rationalizes and apologizes for the worst behavior we see in Western nations, why do you defend these parasites so much?  Are you also a Muslim?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
    #23965425 - 12/29/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
qman, so your genetics are 85% eastern european and 15% what?

I've been keen to try one of those ancestry DNA tests, might be interesting. My grandmother always told me that we had Mayan blood :lol:. My uncle just did one and he turned out to have strong Scandinavian links. This wasn't news to us as he looks like this..





"15% what?"

Well I think 10% was Southeastern Europe or the Balkan area and the other 5% was Western Europe.

There was a few 1% parts or less from a few other areas I can't remember, but I think my percentages are pretty accurate in general terms.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23965672 - 12/29/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

qman said:
"Seven migrants have been arrested after a homeless man was set on fire on Christmas Eve at a Berlin subway station"

Well good thing it wasn't "terrorism", just migrants terrorizing innocent EU citizens. :facepalm:



:lolwut:
Why do you think this was a good thing?  Or was this yet ANOTHER straw man argument?  Every one of your arguments seems to be a straw man now, and even though you keep getting called out on it, you just keep it up.

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
I guess they aren't all bad, huh?
Also, Someone set a bum on fire here in L.A. a few years back.  No refugees required.



Good job rationalizing the main issue here, burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the backlash go away.



He's not the one burying his head in the sand - he's the one giving you the bigger picture.  It's YOU who is burying his head in the sand by trying to ignore the big picture.

He let you know that not all Muslims are terrorists (a fact that you and viktor don't like us to bring up because it hurts your racist view point), and he let you know that white people commit crimes too (a fact you blew off with another straw man argument).

Quote:

qman said:
I'm sure the far-right groups will take comfort that some bum in L.A. was also set on fire and will restrain themselves when the thought of self preservation enters their mindset.



Looks like Tip already busted you for this straw man fallacy.


Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Tipote said:
You keep assigning positions to people that they haven't taken. It's getting really old, qman.

:smbfacepalm:

If you were open to actual discussion then you would show that you can listen to what other people say.



I read Fal's post very closely, shall I point out where he states that radical Islamic groups are just "criminals"?  :facepalm:



No, I did not say "just criminals".  I said "criminals".  Another straw man for the new straw man king!






"He let you know that not all Muslims are terrorists"

Nice strawman.

"let you know white people commit crimes too"

Ok Mr. Straw Man.  :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23965743 - 12/29/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good times in Italy.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #23965795 - 12/29/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Are you also a Muslim?




They wouldn't have let him into Palestine if he wasn't one of theirs.

I wouldn't trust anything he said, not a single word.

He is useful for helping to understand the tactics that his kind use.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 2
    #23965863 - 12/29/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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viktor said:
Quote:

qman said:
Are you also a Muslim?




They wouldn't have let him into Palestine if he wasn't one of theirs.

I wouldn't trust anything he said, not a single word.

He is useful for helping to understand the tactics that his kind use.




This is exceptionally ignorant, you clearly know nothing about the difficulty that many Muslims and Christians have getting into Palestine.

what tactics am I using?

"his kind" :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #23965886 - 12/29/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
"When you defend the rationale of the oncoming blood bath, what are you doing?"

I'm pointing out the obvious, if Muslims/Africans continue to destroy the social-economic fabric of the EU, the natives will revolt against them and the people that promoted this horrible policy in the first place.

"Tip who has blood on his hands for...I forget, for what?"

Playing dumb again?  Why is everyone saying that Merkel has blood on her hands?  Because she told the third world that the EU doors were open and to come in because it's going to be a great "cultural diversity" utopia, clearly this isn't the case today.

When someone continues to promote and market a policy that is destabilizing the entire EU, that makes them highly accountable for the negative factors that result from that bad policy.

You think the native populations should endure this invasion for what?  Because "it's the right thing to do"?  What do EU citizens get out of this policy?  More domestic crime, a horrible fiscal position at the expense of poor EU citizens, a significant compromise of national security and political instability.

"brand all Muslims as the same"

Now who's "saying things that I am not"?  I never made that statement, I said that many Muslims embrace a religion, culture and ideology that doesn't work in Western nations.

"Poles are been beaten and killed in the UK over Brexit"

In a few limited cases that is true, so what?  You're not trying to compare highly productive Poles working in the UK with Muslims and African that terrorize UK citizens? 

If the Poles living and working in the UK don't like it, they can return back to where they came from, if I was a UK citizen struggling economically I wouldn't want some foreign workers taking jobs and undercutting wages.

"your rhetoric divides people"

No, yours does because as soon as anyone even questions your "cultural diversity" goals, your first response is "racist, bigot, xenophobic,", that's more divisive than anything. You can thank the PC movement for dividing the US today and creating Trump.

"can lead to violence against the Other"

Like the days after Trump won the election and liberals took the streets and attacked people they disagreed with?  Or when Muslims/Africans physically and sexually attack innocent EU citizens because they don't believe in the same religion?

"It makes me embarrassed"

No, it makes me embarrassed that you live in such a delusion bubble that rationalizes and apologizes for the worst behavior we see in Western nations, why do you defend these parasites so much?  Are you also a Muslim?




so many straw-based comments here, i'll have to get back to you. but will you even read what I say?

ALL HAIL!






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