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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25623691 - 11/18/18 05:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Do what hungary does. Build a wall and accept no asylum seekers. Ban the open society foundation amd ngos from subverting the will of the natives and give the middle finger to the EU.




Poland doesn't have a migrant crisis, it's very simple, no migrants allowed.




And that’s why Poland has one of the best economies in the world.




You're not suggesting that if Poland flooded their nation with millions of unskilled, uneducated, broke third world migrants it would enhance their economic standard of living, are you?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #25623700 - 11/18/18 05:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying.

See, the only reason (apparently) that companies hire illegals is to save on costs. So if Poland FLOODED in HORDES of UNSKILLED ILLEGALS the free market would have no choice but to move all their industry to Poland, elevating its standard of living to that of the US and Germany (other nations plagued by these HORDES).


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25623711 - 11/18/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Look if we just make sure 85% of the world’s population dies, things will be fine.




You don't think people are going to jeopardize their chances of survival and standard of living due to a large group of people who can't manage themselves, do you? 

Why don't people in developed nations have many children today?  Because to raise a child properly, it becomes very expensive.  If people can't afford their own children, why in the world would they want to support people who can't take care of their own children?  They don't.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25623725 - 11/18/18 05:22 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying.

See, the only reason (apparently) that companies hire illegals is to save on costs. So if Poland FLOODED in HORDES of UNSKILLED ILLEGALS the free market would have no choice but to move all their industry to Poland, elevating its standard of living to that of the US and Germany (other nations plagued by these HORDES).




You're so full of it.  Why aren't nations already full of unskilled broke people doing well economically?    According to your line of reasoning, their cheap labor should create an economic utopia, what's wrong?

No, illegals flooding into the US or Germany is NOT the engine behind the economic success. :huxleyfacepalm:

BTW, companies do go to Poland for their cheap highly educated labor market.

Edited by qman (11/18/18 05:41 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25623733 - 11/18/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

flaming is against forum rules I can’t believe you’ve done this


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25624022 - 11/18/18 07:54 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

culture > economics any day of the week.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25625164 - 11/19/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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You're speculating they're all going to be staving to death or something.  You do realize food can be sent to people in that region of the world? 

Again, they need to control their population growth, it's not the responsibility of EU citiizens to clean up their mess.

The borders need to be defended, otherwise there's really no point of even having a nation state. 

At the end of the day, if it's about the survival of one's homeland or people from another part of the world, I think the choice is quite clear what the vast majority of people will choose.




Again, you are saying many words, few of them are relevant to my question...

Well, if scientists are anywhere near right regarding the climat impact on populated areas it will not be an option for them to stay in the desert getting food packaged for generations to come.... And even if you tried creating that solution in reality, it would only be temporary and not efficient enough. The outcome would be the same, millions of people marching towards EU borders.

Sor regarding your answer: defended borders. How am I to interpret that. Shoot anyone who tries to survive by moving their ass from areas where crops dont grow to other areas where life can be sustained?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #25625253 - 11/19/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

This thread... just... won't... DIE!!!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #25625341 - 11/19/18 01:07 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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You're speculating they're all going to be staving to death or something.  You do realize food can be sent to people in that region of the world? 

Again, they need to control their population growth, it's not the responsibility of EU citiizens to clean up their mess.

The borders need to be defended, otherwise there's really no point of even having a nation state. 

At the end of the day, if it's about the survival of one's homeland or people from another part of the world, I think the choice is quite clear what the vast majority of people will choose.




Again, you are saying many words, few of them are relevant to my question...

Well, if scientists are anywhere near right regarding the climat impact on populated areas it will not be an option for them to stay in the desert getting food packaged for generations to come.... And even if you tried creating that solution in reality, it would only be temporary and not efficient enough. The outcome would be the same, millions of people marching towards EU borders.

Sor regarding your answer: defended borders. How am I to interpret that. Shoot anyone who tries to survive by moving their ass from areas where crops dont grow to other areas where life can be sustained?




If there's enough of food in the EU for migrants to eat, shouldn't there be enough food to send to them in their homelands? 

If climate destroys global food production, only people that can afford food will survive.  Yes, humans will choose feeding themselves instead of strangers from another part of the world.

If there's a shortage of food, will millions of people potentially die?  Yes, the world can be a very cruel place, I wish that wasn't the case.

Maybe we should stop speculating about this subject matter and focus on those people learning to manage themselves and to stop relying on strangers from another part of the world for survival.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25625359 - 11/19/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting how you can be so reluctant to answering a simple question.
Do you have something to lose by answering?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #25625368 - 11/19/18 01:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Just... Die!!!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #25625424 - 11/19/18 01:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Interesting how you can be so reluctant to answering a simple question.
Do you have something to lose by answering?




What makes you think I would answer a loaded question?    I clearly stated borders need to be defended.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #25627328 - 11/20/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

It's a highly likely outcome of climat change... Beeing prepared for a highly likely outcome seems reasonable to me. What is loaded about that?

What does "defend the borders" actually mean in this situation?
In terms of practical actions...

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #25627664 - 11/20/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a highly likely outcome of climat change... Beeing prepared for a highly likely outcome seems reasonable to me. What is loaded about that?

What does "defend the borders" actually mean in this situation?
In terms of practical actions...





You are correct. I agree, climate will be a strong motivator for millions of people to migrate throughout the world. What is sad, is that ones who are largely responsible for causing climate change, will be the ones closing off their boarders.

On a side note, maybe we should put a wall along the Mason-Dixon line, to prevent the "Drill-baby-drill" hillbilly's from moving up north as things heat up!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25627719 - 11/20/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Make 'em pay for it


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #25627756 - 11/20/18 01:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

move that wall south at least one state.  the tide is turning in the commonwealth of VA.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
    #25627828 - 11/20/18 02:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a highly likely outcome of climat change... Beeing prepared for a highly likely outcome seems reasonable to me. What is loaded about that?

What does "defend the borders" actually mean in this situation?
In terms of practical actions...




So whose burden is it to be prepared?  The people currently living in that environment, not people already managing their population responsibly.

What does defending the borders actually mean?  Controlling who is allowed to enter and who is not allowed. 

I'm not sure why you think the borders somehow become irrelevant if there's a crisis in another part of the world. 

You also realize there's other places to migrate to other than the EU?  What about India or China?  No open arms there waiting for them, I can assure you that.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
    #25628071 - 11/20/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Edit:  In what universe did you think this was ever going to be appropriate in this forum?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25628278 - 11/20/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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“Why should the largest polluter per capita be held responsible for climate change when the niggers keep having babies?”




You do realize this is just speculation at this point?  Either way, wouldn't it be prudent to prepare for the worse if your culture has a history of mismanagement?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #25628281 - 11/20/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

By mismanagement do you mean under the heel of imperialism for half a millennia?

Also, what is speculation? The US being the largest polluter per capita? Or climate change itself?


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