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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Except my post didn't say or convey any of those things.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: MagicMush123]
#25557270 - 10/22/18 08:22 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: If solving climate change is such a good idea how come one nation doesn’t just do it by themselves?
I have a very good brain.
The selling point is that these people enhance the existing culture from a social and economic perspective.
It should be an easy sell and the more the better, correct? Yet, even the leaders advocating the accepting of these migrants don't want them in their own nation.
They can say whatever they want. But the goal isn't social and its not to help those in need. Its purely economic in the sense that they are effectively flooding Europe with cheap labor. If politicians and governments are really in the beds with big business then that should make a lot of sense to you. We and they know that any immigrant will take any job for any amount of pay.( im not saying they're bad people or anything. Its just the reality of their situation. They're just thankful to be here and being a poor European is definitely better than wherever came from) When the populations of any country get too comfortable financially or otherwise they feel privileged enough to not do certain jobs or work below what they feel is not worth the pay. So businesses will have no choice but to offer perks or increase their wages. But that effects their bottom line and is the least attractive option. What big companies want is a surplus and float of cheap labor so that they can keep their expenses down and profits up. To stay competitive. As in there will always be someone willing to take the job regardless of pay. So the reason behind the migrant crisis isn't to ruin European culture, to help those in need or to enhance the existing culture. You can ultimately say that the reason is capitalism. The world today is about making money. Helping those in need etc are all on the back burner. They dont matter. Money matters. And how can they make more money? By flooding the market with cheap labor to stagnate wages and to help their profits.
Yes, the "cheap labor" is definitely a huge incentive, but we already know these broke third world migrants costs the taxpayer multiples more than they can contribute, so in reality they are an economic drain on the EU governments.
"so the reason behind the migrant crisis isn't to ruin European culture"
That's not true, IF France and Germany needed cheaper labor, there's plenty of Eastern Europeans that do come to fill that need.
There's a certain tribe of people in the EU that want Africans and Muslims to destroy the EU culture for a variety of reasons. So it's NOT all about the short term profits of cheap labor, it's about destroying European culture for long term profits and control.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#25557306 - 10/22/18 08:40 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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broke third world migrants costs the taxpayer multiples more than they can contribute, so in reality they are an economic drain on the EU governments
Except my argument was for businesses. Daining social services and burdening the tax payer doesn't effect big corporations. In fact that makes people even more reliant on them and their cheaper products.
That's not true, IF France and Germany needed cheaper labor, there's plenty of Eastern Europeans that do come to fill that need.
Could be. But i have a feeling that eastern Europeans would be more "privileged" than migrants and would probably want higher pay and wouldn't stand for being treated like dogs. You have to remember that these people come from literally nothing. Shit jobs for shit pay and being treated like shit = thank you sir. May i have some more?
There's a certain tribe of people in the EU that want Africans and Muslims to destroy the EU culture for a variety of reasons. So it's NOT all about the short term profits of cheap labor, it's about destroying European culture for long term profits and control.
Out of all of the reasons for the migration crisis. This seems the least likely. Its most likely that the watering down of European culture is the inevitable by product of bringing millions of foreigners in at once. Do you really expect that these migrants would drop their culture and beliefs in favor of the host countries? And how would destroying European culture result in long term profits? The only thing needed to ensure long term profits is a pool of never ending cheap labor which is what my post was about
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: MagicMush123]
#25557333 - 10/22/18 09:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you bring in third world migrants into the developed world, there ends up being a "cultural war" within that population, we can see that today in the US and EU.
So instead of focusing on the top of 1%, the population is distracted dealing with all of the issues that come from "multiculturalism".
This distraction enables the very elite to rob the governments and the whole population with little resistance.
There's nothing more than a united people and culture that the elite fear, the goal is always to water that unity down.
There's one major problem here with this issue, the populations are pissed off and now the backlash is starting too emerge in the political process. It always about being careful what you wish for in this instance. It all could backfire at the end of the day.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 1
#25557592 - 10/22/18 10:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: So instead of focusing on the top of 1%, the population is distracted dealing with all of the issues that come from "multiculturalism".
This distraction enables the very elite to rob the governments and the whole population with little resistance.
There's nothing more than a united people and culture that the elite fear, the goal is always to water that unity down.
Wait, what? If you believe that, why would you spend so many posts playing right into the hands of the "very elite"?
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
#25557625 - 10/22/18 11:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: So instead of focusing on the top of 1%, the population is distracted dealing with all of the issues that come from "multiculturalism".
This distraction enables the very elite to rob the governments and the whole population with little resistance.
There's nothing more than a united people and culture that the elite fear, the goal is always to water that unity down.
Wait, what? If you believe that, why would you spend so many posts playing right into the hands of the "very elite"?
You do realize opening the borders creates the "multiculturalism" in the first place? That's been my issue since day one, enforcing the existing borders and immigration laws.
The fact that I point out the hazards of the "cultural diversity" in no way plays into their hands. You also realize they're the same people spreading the "diversity is our strength" nonsense?
If people don't point out the hypocrisy's of the elite pulling this nonsense, it truly gives them a green light to destroy the US/EU with no consequences. That's not acceptable to most US and EU citizens.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#25557671 - 10/22/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Noticing patterns is playing into globalists plans muHahaha
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: JHOVA]
#25571695 - 10/27/18 02:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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"We Must Oppose and Stop UN Global Compact for Migration"
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#25571896 - 10/27/18 04:38 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the world was a democracy the west would be forced to redistribute wealth. It’s no wonder they’re all terrified of a one world government.
I for one welcome our Chinese overlords.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25571948 - 10/27/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: If the world was a democracy the west would be forced to redistribute wealth. It’s no wonder they’re all terrified of a one world government.
I for one welcome our Chinese overlords.
Yeah, you would welcome any group of people to destroy your homeland. It must be pure misery to hate your country and culture so much you wish for its downfall.
Do you care for anyone besides yourself in this nation? Any family or friends that don't hate this country like you do and want to remain a first world economy?
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#25571980 - 10/27/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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nah like most people, my friends and family are utterly disgusted with the state of the status quo.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25578464 - 10/30/18 11:07 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/oct/30/eurozone-gdp-french-italy-growth-economy-markets-business-live
"Eurozone GDP only rose by 0.2%"
Yeah, so this is where the trouble starts, it's all fun and games before the money is cut off.
We now have European stock markets down over -20% in many cases, which will result in lower tax revenue. Lower tax revenue means spending cuts to the peasants since EU nations are NO longer allowed to run deficits.
How are EU natives going to react when they get their social benefits cut and see their homelands filled by third world migrants using up their nations resources?
This whole thing is going to turn into a big mess in 2019, the economics will start dictating the politics. People will turn to the far-right in rapid fashion, it's inevitable.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] 2
#25579551 - 10/30/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No where did your article mention immigrants, but it's fun to blame them instead of the ruling class, isn't it?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: No where did your article mention immigrants, but it's fun to blame them instead of the ruling class, isn't it?
Well, I don't think anyone would deny that EU economics, politics and the current migrant crisis are not all interconnected today.
I asked a question on how EU natives are going to react under certain conditions, that's hardly blaming migrants and letting the elite off the hook.
With that all being said, the EU economy and stock markets could come roaring back, and EU migrants and natives could live in peaceful economic prosperity. I have my doubts.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#25590052 - 11/03/18 08:32 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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"How the Far Right is Shaking Germany's Political Order"
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
#25590980 - 11/04/18 07:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can’t wait for the liberals to side with the fascist in Germany (like they did in the 30’s), and like they’re doing in Brazil now.
Capitalists would rather have spread fascism than risk the chance of socialism. This has been proven time and time again over the past century.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25591013 - 11/04/18 08:05 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Can’t wait for the liberals to side with the fascist in Germany (like they did in the 30’s), and like they’re doing in Brazil now.
Capitalists would rather have spread fascism than risk the chance of socialism. This has been proven time and time again over the past century.
Or maybe the "liberals" want to side with the economic nationalists because they recognize it's been the "capitalists" who flooded their homelands with third world migrants.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25591026 - 11/04/18 08:12 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Nazis were socialists.
National Socialist. Nazi.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: XUL]
#25591108 - 11/04/18 08:58 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Can’t wait for the liberals to side with the fascist in Germany (like they did in the 30’s), and like they’re doing in Brazil now.
Capitalists would rather have spread fascism than risk the chance of socialism. This has been proven time and time again over the past century.
Or maybe the "liberals" want to side with the economic nationalists because they recognize it's been the "capitalists" who flooded their homelands with third world migrants.
Lol no, putting capitalists in quotation marks doesn’t absolve them of globalization, which is inherently capitalist. Get a grip.
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National Socialist. Nazi.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25591201 - 11/04/18 09:37 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Can’t wait for the liberals to side with the fascist in Germany (like they did in the 30’s), and like they’re doing in Brazil now.
Capitalists would rather have spread fascism than risk the chance of socialism. This has been proven time and time again over the past century.
Or maybe the "liberals" want to side with the economic nationalists because they recognize it's been the "capitalists" who flooded their homelands with third world migrants.
Lol no, putting capitalists in quotation marks doesn’t absolve them of globalization, which is inherently capitalist. Get a grip.
Either way, those "capitalists" failed the EU natives on many different levels.
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